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Claus Harding
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posted February 19, 2011 11:06 PM

I guess there are more collectors than shooters here, but nonetheless:

I thought this was a joke when I saw it mentioned.
Steenbeck, introducing (in late 2010) a new film editing table...now that in itself would be news, but it is for SUPER-8!

The model 822:

I have seen "list price" mentioned at around $30,000, so someone at Steenbeck must really feel the higher-end Super-8 post market is solid.

I am still shaking my head (but I would certainly take one, if given to me... [Big Grin]

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Claus.

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John Clancy
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posted February 20, 2011 02:57 AM

Bloody hell!

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Adrian Winchester
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posted February 20, 2011 09:18 AM

Looks sensational, but I checked out http://www.steenbeck.com/ and there's no mention of it there.

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Douglas Meltzer
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posted February 20, 2011 10:22 AM

Amazing! A PDF can be downloaded from here.

Doug

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Pasquale DAlessio
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posted February 20, 2011 05:10 PM

Maybe Dave Ullmon will have one for sale!

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Thomas Dafnides
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posted February 20, 2011 07:02 PM

If they sell one, they can come out pretty good. Problem is no one edits on film anymore...video transfer then computer edit.

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Adrian Winchester
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posted February 20, 2011 08:36 PM

I see on the pdf that it also handles Std 8, so no need to buy one for each guage!

With less people editing on film, can anyone explain how the company stays in business, let alone expands their range?

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David Erskine
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posted February 21, 2011 04:59 AM

Don Currie has/had one of these - he was (until recently) a prolific film-maker [in Single 8] and a a prize winner. Just thought I'd throw in my two pennorth!
Cheers, David E

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted February 21, 2011 06:36 PM

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can anyone explain how the company stays in business,

Perhaps they have spare parts fro old Steenback super 8 which they can now upgrade and re-sell for money (rather than just put on garbage)

I believe, similar with high end transfer (rank cinetell?) which professionally used for 16mm and 35mm, to convert to 8mm is not a big deal. So since Steenback for 16mm and 35mm are still widely used, they can also convert to 8mm...perhaps??

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Yanis Tzortzis
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posted February 23, 2011 09:06 AM

....just fantastic! Want one myself but Xmas is over-& who can find old Santa now???.... [Frown]

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Larry Arpin
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posted February 23, 2011 12:02 PM

What do they mean 'COMMAG sound'? I tried looking it up and there was nothing. Do they mean sound stripe?

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Hans van der Sloot
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posted February 28, 2011 02:45 AM

Archives use filmtables and might be their main buyers.
Last year I worked for Sound & Vision in the Netherlands at the small format department where we did acquisition, description, conservation and digitalisation.
There are loads of 16mm editing tables, some 35mm and in the picture you can see the super-8/16mm/35mm table we used.
There also is an old 16mm table converted to regular-8.
Until now there were no combined super-8/regular-8 tables, so this new Steenbeck table might be very usefull for archives and others.

Commag = combined magnetic and Sepmag = seperate magnetic.
So commag is a striped film and sepmag means the audio is on perfo, audio cassette or something else.

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Joerg Polzfusz
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posted February 28, 2011 04:01 AM

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What do they mean 'COMMAG sound'? ... Do they mean sound stripe?

Yes. There's "COMMAG" (magnetic soundtrack on the film), "COMOPT" (optical soundtrack on the film) and "SEPMAG" (soundtrack on a separate media, normally tape - however it looks like the term is also used for sync'ed CDs/DVDs/...). Not sure how the 16mm-/35mm-films that do have both a magnetic and optical soundtrack on the film are called - The German Wikipedia says "MAGOPT", but I guess it should be "COMMAGOPT"?!

Jörg

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Eberhard Nuffer
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posted March 16, 2011 06:13 AM

This flatbed table is intended for archives as well as for companies that offer 8mm film transfers. Although it may be used for the editing of silent films, it lacks the central function of professional editing machines - the facility to edit the picture and a separate (magnetic) sound track independently but in sync.

Adrian: I do also wonder how they can stay in business these days. The traditional company of Steenbeck in Hamburg/Germany went bankrupt in 1999. A Dutch company took over and continued production of the well-known line of Steenbeck editing machines. But what happened last autumn was really something like a sensation: Apart from the 8mm model, they have introduced a whole product range of completely new designed editing machines in 16mm and 35mm (2-, 4- and 6-plates).
Steenbeck tables have never been cheap, and even the models for Super-8 were not affordable for amateur film-makers when Steenbeck built all its machines in large numbers in the 1970's.

Winbert: I can't imagine that they are re-using old technology from the 1970's. Nowadays, customers expect a much better picture than what was possible then. And no, I don't think that it is easy to convert 16mm or 35mm tables to 8mm, as a different complex optical system is necessary for each gauge.

Joerg: Prints with both kinds of soundtracks are called MAGOPTICAL.

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