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Oemer Yalinkilic
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 - posted August 22, 2011 02:39 PM      Profile for Oemer Yalinkilic   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
[Confused] [Frown] [Frown] [Mad]
Its
THE DAY THE SUPER 8 HOBBY DIED

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Paul Adsett
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Quite a few names their Doug, who seem to have lost touch with this forum, in particular Mike Peckham. I guess they have relinquished the hobby.
I remember my first visit to Derann in 1986 and, like you, it felt like walking into Aladdin's cave. I suspect most collectors felt exactly the same.

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Graham Sinden
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Spoke to Ged this afternoon while placing an order for various shorts left and other bits and bobs.

Regarding FFTC, he basically said there was zero chance of getting a final edition out as they are so busy closing the business down.

Its ironic that now they are closing, they are more busy at the moment. They had 40 orders to pack today and more coming in as collectors are grabbing every last item before its too late!

Graham S

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Larry Arpin
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Gary had told me that the striping machine came on the end of a truck. So it must be very heavy. I had contemplated buying it but shipping would probably be more than the cost of the machine. He said they had not made a decision on the negatives and sound masters. Oh well, if only I could win the lottery. Of course, I need to buy a ticket.

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Graham Ritchie
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Doug
Thanks for the link and photos of the old striping machine. Years ago I bought one of Keith Wilton tapes called Hollywood UK! included is a behind the scenes of Derann, which Derek describes the workings of the machine, of which it is stated that he himself had striped One Million and a half feet of film during the course of a year [Eek!] also shows it up and running, also included is the recording of prints etc.

Here are a couple of shots taken from the video tape
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The bottle of stripe that was used to top up the machine, rotating between two rollers, this was to keep the consistency of the oxide stripe just right.
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The amount of work involved in getting those prints to the collector was huge printing..striping...recording..slitting...etc.

I hope Keith or someone records the final days of Derann. I have worked for companys in the past that have made everyone redundant and my biggest mistake was not to make the effort to tape or film those places. You dont think about it at the time but later on at a get together I was asked...did anyone take photos [Roll Eyes] ...to late. [Frown]

Graham.

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Joe Caruso
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Derek was a good friend, oh so kind - Let's look on the better side also, wonderful memories and that our hobby/business or what have you, will continue to flourish as long as we all want it to - With the CINEVENT, CINEFEST and CINESEA here chaps, we have the makings of fine shows all these years - DERANN, like BLACKHAWK and others, will always hold a bright light in our minds and hearts - We keep this light going by our very merits - I earnestly hope we can all meet at one grand conclave and truly glorify our love for this genre, Shorty

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Flavio Stabile
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I'm very sorry for this sad news and I send all my best wishes to Gary who has managed for years all our requests and complaints (if any) with great patience and really professional skill!

Really a very sad news! [Frown]

Flavio

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Simon McConway
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It all makes this video, made by Lee Mannering, great to look back on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GobTBWGyZP4

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Patrick Walsh
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Very sad news, I hope all the guys at Derann manage to go on to other jobs and I wish them all the best and THANKYOU for your service over the years!
Patrick

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Bill Brandenstein
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Has anyone had troubles responding to the latest list (last Friday)? I'm getting rather antzy because I had an email problem, not of my causing, where the body of my reply emails kept getting deleted (error message: "The original message content contained a virus or was blocked due to blocking rules and has been removed"). I've no idea why that was heppening.

So dear Gary shoots a few messages back, and I try sending it differently, early on Monday (end of day for him) with no joy. Once I tried it from a different email address, it appears that his day was done. No further replies.

My take is that they're so inundated with requests to buy stuff that mine is buried beyond hope. Wasn't meant to be?

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Keith Ashfield
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Bill - I know from visiting the store on Tuesday they were very busy on Monday - busiest days trading for 5 years, I was told.

Most of the items on the last weeks list had gone by Tuesday, but they may be compling one for this weekend????

We'll have to see? Best of luck if that happens with getting your "wants".

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Bill Brandenstein
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As I thought. Well, good for them, not all bad if they've a little cash as they close out.

Keith, very grateful for this information, thank you.

It's a feeding frenzy!

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Graham Ritchie
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Bill
If you want something from the latest list, thats if there is another one, I would recommend phoning them ASAP when they open up in the morning. Its my understanding they deal with people coming through the door first thing in the morning and the phone before opening any e-mails, so if like me the chance at the moment from e-mails, of getting a film before the vultures [Wink] move in is pretty slim.

Graham. [Smile]

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Graham Sinden
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Spoke to Ged today to place another order, and he informed me there would be another list very early next month, probably the very last list. The Derann team were busy doing a stock check this morning so this information will be used for the last list.

I have also been told that depending how the sale goes on the 11th September, Derann may continue until the end of the month but that depends on the stock left and managers decision.

Imagine when clearing some old boxes they find a new scope print of Star Wars [Razz] [Razz] . One can dream.

Graham S

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John Clancy
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Remember everyone that Wilton's historic 'Hollywood UK' was remastered, extended with new material and re-issued as a double disc DVD a few years ago and still available. I still run my copy regularly and I think I'll be running it again next time I'm home for a while.

Just go to the Filmtek pages of www.bfcc.biz to take a look and if you need to the contact and purchase details email me at john(dot)clancy(at)bfcc(dot)biz.

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Lee Mannering
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I’ve been asked to produce a few more copies of our DVD ‘This is Cinema’ which includes all four of the super 8 films I made about 8mm film, 9.5, 17.5, Derann, Perrys and the first Warner Cinema in the UK etc. I’ll fetch these to the Derann Day on the 11th. One film on the DVD also includes footage of Derek striping using the paste striper which is my own personal favourite clip. The DVD has all four of my super 8mm filmed documentaries included should anyone not already have it.

I still can’t quite get my head round Derann going and boy we are going to miss them, especially Gary’s humour at the shop and Blackpool along with a ready supply of films, gear and advice over the phone. If you are anything like me its been a case of having a few quiet moments looking at the Derann collection recalling when a film was purchased and where. We will all be looking forward to visiting Derann next month.

Simon. Yup it makes the footage we filmed at various open days so nice to watch again. When I get chance I will compile a new clip with some of the older footage showing Derek and post on the tube as well.

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Joe Caruso
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Let's reflect on the good times with Derann, amd all the fine people who deal through the years - Shorty

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Simon McConway
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A few people have asked about a final issue of FFTC. It would be nice, but it's going to be hard for Derann to do with them closing down the business; in fact Ged has said zero chance, which is absolutely understandable. Ironically, that last edition, written before any idea of closing down was announced, contains some reflective articles on Derann; Memories From The Late Derek Simmonds, an old staff photo from the early 1980s, Derann Open Day 2011 pictures, A reflection on David Erskine & Blackpool. So, it's quite a good edition to have as a final one, even though that fact was unknown at the time. Thanks must go to Derann for keeping this excellent magazine going since September 1985. It has been very much appreciated.

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Lee Mannering
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Quite right Simon..
As our own little tribute to Derann we are having a small gathering, screening our first few films ever purchased and will be raising a glass to that wonderful 8mm distributor who have kept us entertained for so many years now. Next month we invade the shop and from what I hear they can expect a great number of people coming to buy on the day.

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Steve Klare
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Showed up today

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-almost seems a shame to open it!

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Graham Ritchie
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Steve
I could not agree more...its certainly an end of an era.

Joe made me think when he mentioned reflecting back.
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The first issue I bought was back in July 1993.
Always interesting and in particular Keith Wilton Super8 review .
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Hope Gary does not mind...the photos are from "FFTC" Issue No45 Spring 2000.

I sent on some photos to Derek in 1996 of our home cinema. I was surprised and very pleased he took the time to write back asking if it was ok to publish them.
It was really something to get a mention in the magazine.
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Issue No34 Summer 1996.

I have not missed an issue since 1993, it was a must to keep up with the latest in the world of Super8 film collecting.

I wish Gary and all the staff at Derann all the best and hope they still keep in contact in the future.

Graham.

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Graham Sinden
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Watched some recent super 8 films from Derann including the 'Summer Nights' 200 ft reel. Excellent print typical of the top standard set by Derann.

Then watched clips from Hollywood UK 2005 and Men Behind the Movies reel 2.

For those interested it's MBTM reel 2 that contains a short history of Derann (Note: there are 4 seperate DVD's of MBTM )

John, My Hollywood UK 2005 is a single disc, I think you was referring to Armchair Odeons which is 2 discs )

Graham S

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David Kilderry
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I will certainly miss buying new and used films from Derann. I will miss the expertise and top quality service of Gary and the guys. I decided about 5 years ago to buy more from them while I could; I will be even more determined now to support CHC, Reel Images and the others.

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John Clancy
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You're probably right Graham. I was in America when I posted all the information on those historical DVDs and my recollection of it being vastly extended to the VHS suggested a double DVD but it's probably just double the length of the VHS. In fact, I've just got out of my seat and checked, and yes, it's a single but extended DVD.

It's a shame I don't have the time but I can't see any way I can attend the last open day. 15 hours a day, 7 days a week rather takes care of that.

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Lee Mannering
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Welcome to the club John. How us youngsters cope I have no idea.
[Razz]

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