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Osi Osgood
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 - posted February 09, 2012 12:53 PM      Profile for Osi Osgood   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I was watching the TV channel "This" (a retro film channel) and the western "Vera Cruz" (Burt Lancaster/Gary Cooper) came on.

I thought , "cool" as I have a super 8 optical print of this.
Now, interestingly, the film was originally shot on early Eastmancolor stock (to save money) and then the release prints were done on Technicolor, so a perfect rendering of the colors like Technicolor wouldn't be there to begin with ...

However, I was shocked to see just how off the colors were. It appears that, for release to networks, this print was colorized with a blue filter, or they simply turned up the blue drive in mastering. Now, my optical super 8 print isn't perfect and has a little color fading, and the color grading of the print isn't perfect, but it still gives a better estimation of the original color.

A good example of that was the scene were a lovely senorita, is getting dressed in a lovely red dress next to a waterfall. In the TV print, the color of the two actors up from (the woman , Susa Montiel and Gary Cooper) were fairly accurate, but ALL the color behind them was a complete washout of blue ... everything.

I immediately got out my super 8 optical print and found that, yep, there are a variety of colors back there!

At other points in the film, I noticed that background shadows and trees and such, were all just a big bunch of blue. It looked so bad that it looked like one of those 1980's colorized black and white films.

I have heard that this was/is a Blu-ray release and that they supposedly went back to the original source prints. I'm betting that they went to a first generation technicolor print, as, if they went to the oeriginal eastmancolor source negative, they may have been shocked at the color fade, being shot in 1953.

But I was really saddened at the terrible color, when my slightly faded super 8 optical print actually held up color better!

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Panayotis A. Carayannis
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 - posted February 09, 2012 03:42 PM      Profile for Panayotis A. Carayannis     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The most gorgeous lady is Sarita Montiel!

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Osi Osgood
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 - posted February 10, 2012 12:22 PM      Profile for Osi Osgood   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I've always wondered about this. According to the film database, she was incoreectly stated to be Susa Montiel, or inccoreectly stated to be Sarita Montiel, but wasn't there another actress by that name?

Just curious.

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Steve Klare
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 - posted February 10, 2012 12:41 PM      Profile for Steve Klare   Email Steve Klare   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Never mind!

(Thought you were talking about colorizing black and white!)

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Osi Osgood
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 - posted February 11, 2012 12:31 PM      Profile for Osi Osgood   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
We are, but Susa Montiel happened to be in Vera Cruz! [Smile]

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