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Lee Mannering
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I see Dracula gets a blu-ray issue on the 18th with the disc also including Dracula Reborn doc, Resurrecting Dracula and more, so plenty of extras for vamp fans. Even better they have located 2 reels that were missing for years and put them back in so this will be a hot seller I am guessing.

Released 18th March. Blu-Ray/DVD box set.

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David Ollerearnshaw
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I'll wait and see on this one. If they have done the release with not only the general viewer, but Hammer fans in mind. I might buy it.

"The Devil Rides Out" on blu-ray although pin sharp was messed about with. I would have bought a copy if they included the original version too. I don't think it would be much trouble to include both versions using branching.

If they haven't added new digital fangs I think I'll buy it.

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Lee Mannering
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You are right about the dig fangs David. In the main I rather prefer the DVD’s of the older Bond films showing more natural colour, dust and the odd line than I do a colour artists work for Blu-Ray release. Nice to see the Hammer films get the HD issue although fingers crossed not spoilt on a digital timeline. Curse of Frankenstein was said to be a disappointment on BR but I have no idea why?

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David Ollerearnshaw
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Thought I read somewhere the aspect was wrong. Too old for me to see at the cinema on original release unless my mum went to see it.

My local cinema when I used to go in the 70's everything was 4-3 and poor old scope went to half the hight but same width. They now show them correctly the last one I went to see was Robin Hood Prince the screen was the full width of the cinema.

IMDB says 1.66:1 The shape proberly varies from cinema to cinema.

Again my favourite word for digital "Clinical"

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Michael O'Regan
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I have the Curse of Frankenstein Blu and it's fine. People elsewhere made such a big deal about nothing in that case.

There's also been a huge furore about the colour in the imminent DRACULA release on the classic horror board.

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I'm often annoyed with what is done to color on DVD or blu-ray releases.

I used to make the mistake of comparing a film prints color to a DVD, but then, as stated above, color is tinkered with in most cases and so the film collector might have a perfect color print but because of comparison with a DVD or Blu-ray, might conclude that they have a botched color print.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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The missing sequences in the re issue were nearly lost forever,
but thanks to the efforts of Simon Rowson and his wife Michiko,
who live in Tokyo,were able to locate the legendary Japanese cut
to "DRACULA". The film is kept in climate controlled conditions at
The National Film Centre in Tokyo, unfortunately there had been a
fire there in 1984, and the film was partially ruined, ironically
by water damage.Reels 1-5 are damaged beyond repair but the
remaining reels 6-9 are still in existence,but not good shape,being warped, marked by white lines and suffering from
V.S. Simon was lucky enough to view some footage showing
Dracula actually biting Mina,before the cutaway to the owl, and
during the disintegration, actually clawing the flesh from his face. Simon is to be congratulated on this no mean feat, but
couldn't have done without the help of his wife Michiko, Stuart Hall,
Marcus Hearn and Jonathan Rigby, who together with Hammer's
Peter Naish, helped him cope with the Japanese red tape.The
full story is on the new release DVD but can be read in full in "Little Shoppe of Horrors"#28.

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Timothy Ramzyk
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Just watched the Blu-ray last night and it gets a thumbs-up from me. After endless debates (nearly 90 pages worth) about the color in The Classic Horror Forum, I find it much like the Derann print, with a greater level of detail in the shadows. I found it pretty impressive all around. Maybe the night scenes are timed a hair too blue, but I think you'd never think something was wrong if you weren't looking for it.

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Michael O'Regan
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Hard to believe that's still going on over there, Tim.

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Timothy Ramzyk
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It's tapered down a bit, I took a lenten, six-week break from there, so I missed the bulk of it. Most people who got the disk are reluctantly happy with it.

The funny thing is that a couple years ago when the BFI released a trailer for their restoration, people in that forum were drooling over it. Well, that trailer has the same color values of the new Blu-ray/DVD. Somewhere along the like everyone decided it was travesty (without actually seeing it).

I popped in my old Warner DVD (which never looked good on any level) tonight, and it has gone from bad to simply revolting since I've seen the BFI/Hammer disk.

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Lee Mannering
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Personally I find just about all the Hammer Blu-Rays have purposely muted colour. On the Drac BR the documentary goes to some lengths explaining they didn’t want to keep colour saturation high but to a more natural look. When filming Drac the camera gate had a metal mask in it cropping the picture which was pretty much normal practice way back then. The only BR of Hammer films I find with really nice colour is The Mummy’s Shroud (Beware the beat of the cloth wrapped feet) and regularly watch that. The Dracula Blu-Ray does contain some good material though and of course its nice to watch the film as complete as they managed to get it with the correct titles and the missing scenes restored from the Japanese archive print which took some restoring as explained in the doc to be found on the disc.

[Eek!] “Beware the beat of the cloth wrapped feet” [Eek!]

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Could be tempted to buy it. I have the Derann release which is the treat to watch. Super 8 gourmet food, dvd/blu-ray the fast food. The Mummy’s Shroud have again Derann's release another one I like. Is this on blu-ray?

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am i correct in saying that the hammer horror classics are to be released on BR fully retored with previous censored parts retored back in?

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Timothy Ramzyk
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quote:
Could be tempted to buy it. I have the Derann release which is the treat to watch. Super 8 gourmet food, dvd/blu-ray the fast food. The Mummy’s Shroud have again Derann's release another one I like. Is this on blu-ray?
Yes, it's a region 2 UK set of DVD and Blu-ray.

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am i correct in saying that the hammer horror classics are to be released on BR fully retored with previous censored parts retored back in?
A Japanese print in deplorable condition was found that had footage which was censored from the US and British (and Dreann) prints. The most notable parts being in the disintegration scene. You now get to see Dracula claw some of the mouldering skin from his own face, and more of the bones beneath his pant-leg and sleeve.

It's pretty neat, and kinda bridges what was previously and abrupt shift from Lee to a ashen, skeletal prop. The discovery of the footage was sort of a fortunate fluke that the footage turned up, and won't be typical of future Hammer releases.

I've been waiting on THE MUMMY"S SHROUD, hoping for a US Blu-ray release, but I just couldn't wait on DRACULA.

In the Classic Horror Forum someone posted some Technicolor frame-grabs that revealed that though the BFI restoration wasn't spot-on. The Warner DVD was way off, and that the palette of DRACULA was a good deal cooler than some of the more ornamental colors of films like BRIDES OF DRACULA. My biggest complaint is that I'd like to see it about a stop lighter. [/QUOTE]

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I see no one has done a super 8 review yet of The Mummys Shroud in the 8mm section. Long overdue if you have a print someone?

Yes David MUMMYS SHROUD is on BR @ £14.25 from Amazon.co.uk delivered. If you are starting out with BR Hammers its the best transfer by far and the disc has some nice trailers etc on as well. [Cool]

Trailer on youtube http://youtu.be/2TlObO0HIDI

Worth watching on youtube http://youtu.be/JWdjEvXbO8w

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Really looking forward to seeing Dracula.

I found the colour on my super 8 print of "The Reptile" almost identical to the Blu-Ray release.

Much as I love my super 8 print, the Blu-Ray displays a lot more detail and sounds a hundred times better too.

That's progress.

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Adrian Winchester
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This has been an extraordinary saga online, with insults and some people falling out badly. It didn't help that some of the Blu Ray 'screenshots' that appeared before the release looked dreadful and excessively bluish. Some of the 'against' camp are dismayed that the release doesn't have the Technicolor look associated with the film, whilst some of the 'for' camp are enraged by what they consider nitpicking, that fails to give the credit due to a groundbreaking release.

I have only watched part of the new version so far, but I think my conclusion will be that it's a great release with exceptional clarity, but on the other hand at least certain scenes would ideally have benefitted from a brighter, more saturated look. I'm unconvinced that there was a good case to not view the original Technicolor look as definitive, as I'm sure there's no evidence that Terence Fisher or anyone associated with the film was remotely unhappy with this. I find it frustrating that not all of the amazing new footage (from the end of the film) actually appears in the new restoration, although you can see it via the extra featuring the full Japanese footage. This was because it would have caused a 'jump' in the sound but I wonder if a way round this could have been found.

As for whether it's similar to the Derann prints, it depends on which batch your Derann print is from! I have one of the early prints that was remarkably faithful to the original theatrical colours, and the BR/DVD is a bit cooler and less staturated than this. However, it's definitely warmer overall than the bluish Derann prints, which seem to constitute a substantial proportion of the ones in circulation.

Interestingly, the real match with 8mm is the CHC release of the 2007 BFI restoration trailer, as the 2007 release is the basis of the new version, and it also appears on the BR/DVD. When I got the CHC release on 16mm (which had better and more accurate colour than my Super 8 print), I noted the different look and it's the same look that's now evident on the BR/DVD.

It's a must for Hammer fans but you need to see it to make up your mind, considering the diverse responses which range from perfect to unwatchable!

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I must say that for all the drama around this release, the people who like it seem to have greatly outnumbered those who don't. Many who are still against it also have not actually seen the disk, but are relying too much on screen-grabs and you-tube clips.

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Isn't it strange that the only release of this film on 8mm, before
Deranns' feature release,of which I too was on the waiting list of
first buyers, was the little 200' Americom with disc,which was much sought after and I still cherish my own copy today.Somehow
I can't see folks getting worked up about a plastic disc in years to
come. I don't know why the releasing companies have to play
about with colour saturation or original picture ratio's, but they do.
I STILL despair at the trailer done for this films re release and
bitterly regret parting with my old Thunderbird trl. reel, that
picture quality wise wasn't that good, but didn't have those
bloody irritating fades.Maybe the lesson is ; up to the minute
isn't always up to the mark, as this new release on Blu ray
obviously proves.

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It is interesting that these things become so polarized. I have the re-release trailer on super 8 and I think it is beautiful. I have a VHS copy of the film that is really not that great (transfer wise) but the film is awesome. I don't see myself getting into Blue Ray only because I have film, tape, DVD, laser...truthfully I don't need another format...my wallet just can't afford it.

I have never had a film that I cherished tampered with so I can't say how I would react but some of the things that are being debated seem so small to worry about...I guess they mess with color and ratio trying to deliver the best possible transfer of the film even if it alters the original.

Bill [Smile]

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Michael O'Regan
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I see no reason at all to buy the Blu Ray. My Derann print is more than adequate.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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Exactly Michael, and we are after all on a film forum as "keepers
of the flame", so DVD is ancillary to our hobby.

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Lee Mannering
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Really? A question. Don’t any of you consider watching the extras on a DVD or Blu-Ray to enhance the viewing of the main feature on 8mm, 9.5 or 16mm? I’m guessing you are missing great opportunity to enhance your home cinema screenings…Something mainstream cinema cannot do.

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Michael O'Regan
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Hugh, I'm not so innocent
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I buy way more DVDs than film. In fact I can't remember when I bought film last.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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Yes Lee, I'm well aware of the extras on DVD's, and have bought
many a title just for the documentary extras.As Derek Simmonds
observed, these little extras were thin on the ground when he was releasing films, but are suddenly there for DVD release. I believe
they call it ROT, Re used Old Technology.I take on board how
much easier and cheaper to view on disc,but I choose film every
time over DVD, The last film I purchased was Barbara Steele's
"The Spectre" a few days ago, in Italian no less.

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