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Simon McConway
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 - posted February 02, 2018 07:26 AM      Profile for Simon McConway   Email Simon McConway   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I see on another post heading the F word with letters taken out like this ***. Can I suggest that, though the writers of the post are justified in being annoyed, that we do not have any F words allowed anywhere in this forum. We can all think of better words to use and I find that word offensive.

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Mike Newell
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 - posted February 02, 2018 07:47 AM      Profile for Mike Newell   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I would agree Simom it is offensive & lazy writing.

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Mathew James
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 - posted February 02, 2018 08:00 AM      Profile for Mathew James   Email Mathew James   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It is a great idea, to keep this forum clean and professional , and also looking out for others as well who come here for our help.

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Douglas Meltzer
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 - posted February 02, 2018 09:10 AM      Profile for Douglas Meltzer   Email Douglas Meltzer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I agree and I apologize for letting the subject title stand as long as it did. I'm sure someone will think that we're all adults here, however the truth is we are not. We do have members that are technically minors. I completely understand that at the time of writing there may seem no better word to use, however this is a pretty intelligent group and I'm sure a suitable alternative will come to mind.

I will now proceed to list all the words that are crude, offensive, foul, coarse, lewd and vulgar..... [Eek!]

Doug

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Terry Sills
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 - posted February 02, 2018 09:48 AM      Profile for Terry Sills   Email Terry Sills   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Not a good idea Doug. I would be most offended to see a list of crude, foul, vulgar, coarse and offensive words.
Please what are you thinking of!

[Big Grin]

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Douglas Meltzer
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 - posted February 02, 2018 10:00 AM      Profile for Douglas Meltzer   Email Douglas Meltzer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Terry,

So you're fine with the lewd ones? Good to know!

Doug

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Steve Klare
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 - posted February 02, 2018 10:04 AM      Profile for Steve Klare   Email Steve Klare   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The thing about it is it's not really fooling anybody!

-my kid has had that one in his reserve arsenal since Cub Scout days! (Kind of a word of mass-destruction.)

So personally I'd prefer you not curse here, but if you do curse, go full Xenon!

(-and at least have it be more than a little justifiable: It loses all it's power when used conversationally.)

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Chip Gelmini
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 - posted February 02, 2018 11:07 AM      Profile for Chip Gelmini   Email Chip Gelmini   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I lived in a shared house when in Florida. The room mates seemed as if the F-bomb was in every other sentence, very often repeated. I got sick of it. It was so bad, even Mary Poppins would have had difficulty teaching them it isn't proper to use bad language. In fact, she would have flew away up to the sky,due to the stress of supercallafragalisticexpyallabullsh*t.

I'm okay if it slips, but prefer that it not be used. [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

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Steve Klare
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 - posted February 02, 2018 11:24 AM      Profile for Steve Klare   Email Steve Klare   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
A couple of offices ago, I used to share a wall with the boiler room (I was never cold there...).

Morning conversation heard through the vent: (...evvvery DAY!)

"I made ***king coffee!"
"***king thanks! That's really nice o' you!"

My question is other than the tone of voice, how could you ever tell when they get really upset?

I mean, there really does come a time here and there: about 12 years ago I was unemployed and running low on my six months of unemployment insurance. I'd been interviewing for a really good job for about two months and I had it in the bag: I was ready to print business cards. I could practically taste it!

-then they called me up and said the job requirement was cancelled and thanked me for my time.

I ran around my house, basically imagining other people's furniture in the rooms, and I yelled an entire paragraph, maybe 90% that word! (The cats wound up down in the basement for sure!)

This on the other hand is a hobby forum: something we do to relax! It's hard to imagine emotions running that high!

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Osi Osgood
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 - posted February 02, 2018 11:47 AM      Profile for Osi Osgood   Author's Homepage   Email Osi Osgood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Actually, I thought I was being quite sensitive in giving the idea of what I wanted to say, without quite saying it.

Personally I rarely use foul language myself, I was just emphasizing my disgust with the situation. I'm not a prude, (thought most people who know me personally sarcastically call me a "boy scout"), but I was censoring what I wanted to say for the "pruient" on this forum. (Is that spelled right? Pruient?)

However, Doug, if you wish, you're more than welcome to change the title of the post if you feel it necessary. I don't mind. [Smile]

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Graham Ritchie
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 - posted February 02, 2018 12:22 PM      Profile for Graham Ritchie   Email Graham Ritchie   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Steve

I never swore until I left school and stated working on "BRITISH" cars [Big Grin] ...later again when working on "BRITISH" built aircraft [Big Grin]

I remember once being tarmac engineer, when one of our pilots parked on the wrong gate. The guy in OPS went nuts over the radio, OH! he had a nickname "Biscuit" to everyone. I once asked why Biscuit, and was told he goes to crumbs when things go wrong.

Anyway, back to the story of the aircraft on the wrong gate. I got on the radio to Biscuit.. Dave.. was his real name, and said I would sort it out. I went through the cabin and spoke to the pilots about being on the wrong gate, anyway they left. The loaders came on, and just then, my radio went of, it was Dave...Haggis.. thats me.. there is a 737 on final for that gate and will be there in 5 minutes. Things were begining to turn to custard for me, as I already had other aircraft I was looking after, and although being great what I do [Big Grin] I cant be three places at once.

Anyway I am getting to the end of the story [Roll Eyes] I looked a the loaders, who were looking at me, as what I was going to do. I remember thinking that if I lost the plot and started swearing etc then I am in trouble as that would interfere with my decision making, not only that, but if my boss heard back that "Haggis" lost the plot, my boss would most likely find another job for me...so its keeping the cool as they say, and lucky for me some guys turned up from the hanger and I recruited them to move it onto another gate.

Things go wrong in life and its how we handle them, thats important, although being a "Scottish Gentleman" as I am..that helps to. [Smile]

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Osi Osgood
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 - posted February 02, 2018 12:36 PM      Profile for Osi Osgood   Author's Homepage   Email Osi Osgood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Now, here is a funny story from my own life in the past ...

Thre IS that one way to show exactly how much foul language you actually have in you're brain pan ...

Yep, working on a car!

I have a Ford Mercury LX Capri at one time, (it had the best, hot hubcaps on it! The Hubcaps were actually worth a lot more than the car I think!).

... anyway, here I am, trying to do an oil change on the car, (always lots of fun). Just a block away from was a massive catholic Church, which had, I believe, a Diocese or something along that line, (well, they had nuns there and a school for kids).

As I was working on the car, I dropped a tool on my forehead upon which doing so, I uttered a good long string of "colorful metaphors" and having done so, i looked ioff to the side at the sidewalk ...

... where a nun and four little girls had stopped and were watching me.

I sheepishly looked over and said, "Sorry about that" and right when I did that, the old oil filter fell on my head, as well as the oil, to which I REALLY let loose with an Oscar winning series of colorful metaphors, and I noticed the nun and the girls scurrying off.

Funny now, but not funny at the time. [Smile]

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Paul Adsett
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Call me a prude, but I have zero tolerance for the F word, and I suspect most of my generation feel the same way.

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Steve Klare
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 - posted February 02, 2018 01:02 PM      Profile for Steve Klare   Email Steve Klare   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
A lot of it is situational...

Dad was a good, gentle man. He was a good father, good husband, did an honest day's work. He was responsible, reverent, clean and kind. (He was a Boy Scout, back in the day...)

....but,

Dad worked nights in Midtown Manhattan. He was a typesetter. Copy would come in from the Advertising Agencies in the afternoon, and his job was to have type ready for the presses by sunrise.

He drove in on the Long Island Expressway, through the Queens Midtown Tunnel, past the cabs and potholes, the busses, bikes and the hotdog carts. It was somewhere between a circus and a war compared to the streets out where we lived. If you weren't willing to risk a few dents, you might sit there for hours waiting for a kind soul to let you in, so it was basically mandatory to be very assertive with steering, throttle and brakes, the occasional hand gesture and of course...in-car monologue.

I rode in with him once or twice, and there was my saintly father, who had taught me right from wrong, basically up on two wheels and using language that should have melted the dashboard! (He had personal knowledge of the other drivers and their families that was just...astounding!)

-I mean it was basically an R rated version of Bullitt!

The next day it was as if not a darn thing had happened!

[Wink]

Maybe I'll take the train next time, Dad!

Note: He drove there about 30 years, never got in an accident!

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Alan Rik
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 - posted February 02, 2018 01:55 PM      Profile for Alan Rik   Email Alan Rik   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
We need George Carlin to pipe in here.. oh wait? Never mind...

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Allan Broadfield
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 - posted February 02, 2018 02:13 PM      Profile for Allan Broadfield   Author's Homepage   Email Allan Broadfield   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
We can argue amongst ourselves till we're blue in the face as regards the virtues or otherwise of swearing in certain circumstances.
When I was at school in the fifties in London, my experience seems to have been the opposite of some other contributors.
We swore like troopers in the playground, and when I eventualy started work I was shocked to find that adults cursed as well. Somehow I had got the impression that grown ups behaved better. That impression lasted all of five minutes.
Please keep the swearing down to the minimum on this forum, if only for the sake of delicate flowers like me!

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Tom Photiou
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 - posted February 02, 2018 02:42 PM      Profile for Tom Photiou   Email Tom Photiou   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
in class,
Teachers asks "what animals were we talking about last week"?
Kid replies, "moo moo's miss"
Teacher replies, "i think your a bit old to be saying moo moo, or pussy or gee gee dont you? its a horse, a cat or a cow, its time to start acting your age now children, right then, who wants to remind me of what AA Milne book we are reading from this week"?
Little Johnny puts his hand up,
Teachers asks, "yes Johnny"?
He replies, Winnie the **** Miss [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Wink]
I promise i wont say naughty words again, had to get that one in though [Wink]

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Moderator's note: In keeping with policy I have deleted the colloquialism for feces used in the punch line, thereby ruining Tom's joke. Sorry Tom!

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Brian Fretwell
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My ex had an individual out look on this, if I hit my finger hard and said the "F" word it was very wrong but if she used it in its literal sense, in bed, it was OK! I suspect she dislike me degrading an act she enjoyed.

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Bill Phelps
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I used to have a bad mouth when I was younger. I made a decision to stop using bad words about 18 years ago. I'm certainly not perfect and some have slipped out over the years but I think most cursing makes people sound stupid. There are many other ways to get a point across. Although some would argue, what makes a word bad anyway?

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Allan Broadfield
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I think when people use the f word in public they're disrespecting all those around them.
Having said that, I've let a few slip in the past!

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Terry Sills
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 - posted February 03, 2018 05:32 PM      Profile for Terry Sills   Email Terry Sills   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yes Allan
I'm sure we've all let a few spill out over the years, but to do it in public is demeaning and that is what the younger generation don't get. They see it as an acceptable way of expression and if they are challenged they get even more expressive in exactly that type of language. I personally hate to hear f'ing and blinding in public no matter what the scenario. If that is what we are to expect as acceptable nowadays, I fear for the future.

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Bill Brandenstein
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It amazes and saddens me as far as what my kids tell me goes on at school. A lot of students drop F-bombs and other cussing relentlessly, at which strong language becomes merely offensive and is otherwise meaningless.

I've always appreciated the dignity of this online community, and the fact that it's typically never been a problem for my kids (then younger) to look over my shoulder and see what what I'm up to. The genteel approach of avoiding gutter language pleases me still, though. There are both religious and cultural reasons behind that.

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Tom Photiou
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Well lets be honest, as far as younger people are concerned its monkey see monkey do, the television no longer cut or change the f word when movies are shown, most movies these days have it as a normal part of the script in a huge amount of releases so unfortunately its been normalised. Manners and respect are no longer taught by huge amounts of parents, in fact i sadly see scabby parents, often women in supermarkets and streets telling there own kids to f off or f'in shut up quite often because the child wants attention and the parent is too busy on there mobile phone. The young generation see this word as a normal part of conversation. Even 10 years ago when i use to pick my own kids up from school and heard it in the playground. You could have been listening to blokes on a building site.
TV and movies do have a lot to blame here over the years. Goodfellows and casino are two great adult gangster films BUT did the James Cagney and Humphrey Bogart gangster movies feel it necessary to use the f word every other word? If it was in there just once they would have been censored or even banned.

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Paul Adsett
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I still think the British Board of Film Censors in the UK, and the Motion Picture Producation Code in the USA, did a lot to preserve morals and civility for decades in both countries.

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Osi Osgood
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I agree Paul ...

Everyone has they're own "values" standard, whether verbal or just in day to day life. I've met many a "religious" person that wouldn't dare use a cuss word, but will cheat you the moment you're back is turned and not bat an eye doing it.

I've known (and still know) some folks who smoke and drink they're life away and are the most decent people you could ever meet ...

... then there are those who wouldn't ever even go near any adult beverage or "fags" ("smokes" to the uninitiated), but they're quick to stick they're nose in the air and just leave those "sinners" to they're fate and just huddle with the "frozen chosen" and are no good to the world around them.

... then, there are those who may cuss a blue streak, but I know where I stand with them and they are the most honest people with highest integrity.

Personally I prefer the company of people who never put on "airs" but are just "real' in every sense of the word, and this comes from a person who takes hid relationship with a "higher power", (that should be generic enuf), VERY seriously.

I just said this to emphasize that we (including myself) should never judge a person's character based upon the use of language.
[Smile]

... and much love to all.

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