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Winbert Hutahaean
Film God
Posts: 5468
From: Nouméa, New Caledonia
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted March 25, 2018 03:39 AM
Dom, I have read Terry's post and for me it is more appropriate to be titled as "unresponsive sellers" or "careless sellers" rather than "bad sellers".
Although I am not a native English speaker but "bad sellers" is equal to other daily words such as "bad boys", "bad buyers", bad this or bad that, which simply means just bad.
But not responding a question (or temporary not reaponding for certain reeasons such as away for holidays) is something legal according to the Ebay's rules that is why Ebay provides such feature and seller can set that "on" if he/she want to.
So if this particular seller uses what Ebay has allowed, why we need to label him/her as a "bad seller"?
As Garry's post above, I am not taking anyone side here, but if the seller has followed Ebay's rules, that is totally fine for me. For what the price he/she has set up, it is totally his/her prerogrative. And if we want to give a big laugh for his/her price, then that what our "Ebay Oddities" sticky post is for.
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Tom Photiou
Film God
Posts: 4837
From: Plymouth U.K
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted March 25, 2018 04:43 AM
no ones complaining Winbert, (you use that word a lot), Terry is just making a point, rightly or wrongly.
As you say, people can list what they want as a start price, BUT, if this seller is a well known collector and in the know, then that person should know a bit better than to start a price at 400 when the item is incomplete and only suitable for spares.
So if i put up a listing tonight of twenty 400ft films, all sold as seen, no returns and all untested with a price of £100 each i wouldn't expect anyone to come on here and make a point?
No ones complaining mate, just making a thread, for those who dont like the thread dont bother commenting as i believe its YOU who are complaining about the post.
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Rob Koeling
Master Film Handler
Posts: 399
From: Brighton, UK
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted March 25, 2018 08:47 AM
Winbert, the main complaint is not the high starting price. But the fact that there is good reason to believe that this seller knows what is wrong with this machine and not only he doesn't disclose it, he also seems to refuse to answer questions about it. You must agree that this is at least suspicious.
Of course everybody wil have their own definition of what a bad seller is. Not disclosing information (that is, information that makes it clear that it is either an expensive doorstop, or only usable for parts (which parts?)) that is essential for the potential buyer is, to my mind, unacceptable. For me this is a very good example of a 'bad seller'. And if any of the assumptions is wrong, it would be great if the seller would add his two pennies in this thread. Until then, time for 'bad seller' alert! Posts about silly people who start their auctions at unrealistic prices can still be posted in the 'Ebay Oddities' thread. This is more serious.
- Rob
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Tom Photiou
Film God
Posts: 4837
From: Plymouth U.K
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted March 25, 2018 12:35 PM
The fact is, a good ebay seller does answer questions, if they are away or anything they usually state this. Terry asked a question and eBays return answer was that the seller cannot answer the question. No one is questioning whether he has broken any ebay rules, i think everyone on here is fully aware of that,
Lets also see the bottom of his statement here,
"Thank you all for your questions which I have done my best to answer. With these selling upwards of £1,000 its worth spending on it most certainly".
Well, he certainly didn't want to answer Terry, and if it's worth a grand after being fixed why doesn't the seller, who we know is an enthusiast, fix himself and sell it for a grand?
Sorry you still dont see the point here Winbert, and before you send another Smart alec answer on here and continue to make yourself the talk of the town, read the thread through from the start and try and see what people are saying.
We know he hasn't broken ebay rules,
We know he is an enthusiast, in which case why start at such a ridiculous price for a scrap machine. Whats the point of putting a lamp in when it has no lens?
Why not just simply answer questions sent to him on ebay?
No one is denying his excellent feedback, but i am sure his good name will be blackened, (tarnished,whatever phrase is PC),
Also as Mark said,
"He definitely would know the faults with it,as stated a film enthusiast for years"
So what's he hiding?
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Tom Photiou
Film God
Posts: 4837
From: Plymouth U.K
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted March 25, 2018 01:42 PM
I guess so Doug, but, for arguments sake, i live about 4/5 hours away, unless you live within a reasonable distance i cant see anyone wanting to travel hundreds of miles just to take a look.
I think more than anything, its the fact that Terry asked a question and the ebay reply was not a good one, that, to me, is avoiding, in my opinion, (not necessarily the right one), this price is way above scrap or spares value. If the guy selling was not in the know of our hobby you could semi-forgive them for trying to make a fast buck, but for someone who (allegedly) does know the hobby well, then in my opinion it is not a good listing at this price. It is aimed at a buyer who knows nothing about it from a seller who does.
Arthur Daley springs to mind here.
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Terry Sills
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1423
From: Weymouth,Dorset,England
Registered: Oct 2012
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posted March 25, 2018 03:48 PM
Doug
This man is a regular seller of 9.5 film and equipment at film fairs and has many years experience with such. He knows his way around this guage better than you or me. So to me there is no defence of this tactic. He has recently listed with the appendage ' this will not be relisted' . Guess what - a few days later - relisted!
To my mind this, together with the recent action of refusal to answer questions, is not the action of an honourable seller. Don't ask me how he has accumulated such a high 100% score. I don't care. the point is an honest seller would not take these measures. If you were not available to answer questions, why would you bother to list, until you were. Or at least give an explanation of why not.
In answer to an earlier remark, I have not received an answer, simply because I have been denied the opportunity to ask.
Anyone interested in bidding for this projector would be perfectly entitled to ask pertinent questions as to the actual problems that they would be taking on and as Dom rightly comments, why would you replace a lamp on a non runner with no lens?
I think Tom has it right - Arthur Daley reincarnate. But this is only my opinion and as my wife often tells me ' you're not often right - but you're wrong again!'
I hope so. I don't like to see our respected members and our beloved hobby descend into these practices, but it does need to be highlighted.
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Winbert Hutahaean
Film God
Posts: 5468
From: Nouméa, New Caledonia
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted March 25, 2018 06:27 PM
Now, let us discuss more important issue, especially for majority of us who don't know who keyboardtapper23 is.
Why his real name is always hidden in this discussion?
As Terry says, he is in this forum, this means someday she/he can sell something here. When (some of) you agreed to label him as "bad seller", please disclose his name, so other members will avoid buying from him.
This might be a better move for greater things, since not each member is on Ebay. So to Terry or other members who know his/her real name...will you be liberate doing that for us please?
[ March 26, 2018, 09:47 AM: Message edited by: Douglas Meltzer ]
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