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David Skillern
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 - posted May 27, 2019 09:14 AM      Profile for David Skillern   Email David Skillern   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Guys,

any advice on the condition of polyester film stock with regards to colour fade. I am thinking of buying a 16mm print and ive been told that the condition is very good but fair to good colour - would this have something to do with the film stock ?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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Maurice Leakey
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 - posted May 27, 2019 10:52 AM      Profile for Maurice Leakey   Email Maurice Leakey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Definitely depends on the film stock. Fair to good does sound somewhat a stretch of the imagination!
Ask the seller what stock was used for the film, and perhaps a more detailed explanation as regards the print's colour.

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David Skillern
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 - posted May 27, 2019 03:59 PM      Profile for David Skillern   Email David Skillern   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Maurice,

Seller says colour is not too bad and it still has some blues there - so I'm not so sure - Id like the print but with postage its just over £80

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Dave Groves
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 - posted May 28, 2019 04:11 AM      Profile for Dave Groves   Email Dave Groves   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
David, If it 'still has some blue's there' I'd be saving my money for something else. Suggests considerable fade. Could the seller provide frame shots?

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David Skillern
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 - posted May 28, 2019 04:27 AM      Profile for David Skillern   Email David Skillern   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Dave,

Thanks for this - I doubt the seller will provide pics as he hasn't done before - he's very well known. I think i will pass on this - he says that the condition is very good with a few light lines over the opening credits and a few light lines after that - but if there is fade - how on earth can this be in very good condition ?

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David Hardy
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 - posted June 09, 2019 10:46 AM      Profile for David Hardy     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
In my opinion a faded print can never be described as being in 'good' condition never mind 'very good condition' . [Wink]

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Mark Todd
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 - posted June 10, 2019 08:28 AM      Profile for Mark Todd     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I suppose you can say very clean condition or no scratches etc.

Some prints on super 8 particularly loose integrity and sharpness as the colour goes as well.

But I do think some prints on the way can still be very enjoyable.

Best Mark.

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Osi Osgood
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 - posted June 10, 2019 11:19 AM      Profile for Osi Osgood   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I can't blame a person who doesn't know a good print when he or she sees one, as stating it to be good. I mean, if the print is not completely falling apart as they un-spool it, as far as they're concerned, it's good.

It's the ones that know better that get under you're skin.

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Bill Phelps
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 - posted June 10, 2019 04:23 PM      Profile for Bill Phelps     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
This always ones up from time to time. To me a film listed in good condition is talking about the physical condition of the print and the color is a seperate issue. I have some prints in fair and downright crappy condition (torn sprockets, lines) but the color is beautiful. If I see a print listed in good condition I will then ask about the color.

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David Skillern
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 - posted June 11, 2019 02:36 AM      Profile for David Skillern   Email David Skillern   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks everyone for your replies,

After due consideration - I have past this by - although it is an entertaining film - I feel with postage - the print comes in at a little over £82 - a little over priced for its condition.

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Lee Mannering
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 - posted June 12, 2019 02:22 AM      Profile for Lee Mannering     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
David for what its worth my favourite film stock is Agfa AG 2S (Double rank printed) Its probably the only film stock that doesn't turn red.

Did an experiment a couple of years ago on a tram lined film. Colour was bad so split the film in two. One half into the freezer and the other sealed in a bag and put on top of the shed over summer. After a few months the shed film was nice and red and of course the freezer part good. The biggest enemy of any film collection is heat and humidity.
Take care.

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