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Topic: Super 8 B+W half mooney type curvature, why??

Mark Todd
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posted August 04, 2004 11:53 AM

Hi just been looking at a 400 B+W print and when about 3/4 of the way through the picture went completely out of focus and the sound went all odd too for a few minutes then magically went back OK.
On looking at this section it was all very well curved edges dipped in very far and picture out the other way if you will.
I know you often get the last say minute or two like that in a small way( not this much) and may need to refocus but this is very curved out as it were, the sound stripe obviously couldn`t get properly on the sound head for that section.
This is on a bauer 510 that is very good with acetate, seems a lot better than an elmo.
I did wonder if it was a vinegar like thing drying it out so much but doesn`t seem to be that but anyone got any ideas why just at that point for a few minutes in the middle( well 3/4 or so) it does it so badly.
never come accross it in the middle of a print before.Its 75 eastman made in the US.
best Mark.

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Kevin Faulkner
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posted August 04, 2004 05:50 PM

Sounds like the film has dried out like so many acetate prints do. It can be affected by the processing conditions at the time or maybe someone had left the film sitting laced up on a machine for a very long time and that section was exposed to the elements and not spooled up.
BTW Elmo's handle acetate film as well as polyester/mylar prints. Given a good dose of lube they probably run as quiet or quieter than mylar base films. Mylar based films because of their thickness seem to be a bit more forgiving to badly adjusted machines.
I dont know where this story about Elmos not liking acetate film started from. Lets face it when the majority of Elmos were designed there was no Mylar based film about comercially.
I have many Acetate based films which run as sweetly as poly based stuff and in fact I find that I have to apply lube to all new poly films to get them to project with a steady frame line and thats on any of the machines I have used.

Kev.

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Mark Todd
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posted August 05, 2004 05:08 PM

Hi kev, I agree with treated films elmos do a great job, something to do with just about the best 8mm gate and gate material you can gte I think.
On acetate that isn`t done though I find the buaer very forgiving and it handles very dry film usually fairly well, as do many other machines.
On the other forum we have been mentioning the safety of cleaners and lubers and to be honest i`m not to sure what to use at the moment or if I want to.
Just got a nice red film off ebay could do with some lubing, ther redest walton print I`ve ever seen, I do eem to be a little lucky in these matters( as new !) must admit if you only looked at the first few feet it did look OK.
I don`t think I`ll be buying privately for a while.
Best mark.

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Kevin Faulkner
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posted August 07, 2004 06:03 AM

Red Waltons are not that common, only on very early prints. The majority of Waltons prints were released on Fuji stocks which are very stable. There was some extremely early Fuji stock which has a tendancy to go a blue/magenta. I think Mark that you have just had one of those unlucky buy's and lets face it we all get those from time to time.

Kev.

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Mark Todd
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posted August 07, 2004 07:54 AM

Hi Kev, yes when I was loading it up etc and couldn`t see either the fuji or the sign of the few agfa`s you get in them, I thought, OH er missus and early one, and sure enough it was eastman.
Like you say very rare.
Recently had a superb copy of silver dream racer from paul F on fuji thats very nice indeed, cracking digest too.
I quite liked the extract on this one so will look out for a later copy as this is a give away item, my second lateley, so hopefully thrid time lucky.
I`ve told the chap about it but I said no worries, wondering if he would do what I would and send the cash back post haste, but nothing yet, oh well.
I`ll be sticking with paul F and the odd other reliable source but mainly paul as I don`t think you can beat his knowledge of stocks and releases etc and his gradings good too.
It was only £8 so no dissaster but on my income still pretty relevant. Its worth a watch so I`ll bung it in with some other stuff I`m going to sell as a nice print.
PS funny thing is it was in one of the later green plastic boxes so it could also have been an odd week they were out of fuji at the labs!!!!!!!!!
best Mark.

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