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Michael De Angelis
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 - posted October 06, 2005 10:36 PM      Profile for Michael De Angelis   Email Michael De Angelis   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I often wonder what happened to all of the Feature Film editions of Marketing Negs?
I just wish to go back in a time capsule and purchase complete films such as
Godfather 1 & 2, all on today's low fade LPP Stock or equivalent.

Michael

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Barry Attwood
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 - posted October 07, 2005 02:46 AM      Profile for Barry Attwood   Email Barry Attwood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Dear Michael,

Derek Simmonds told me that he looked into this question himself, and found out that Marketing were a little reticent in paying Paramount royalties, and as Marketing International were based in the U.S. they were all seized awaiting payment in full of the royalties owed (some hope), and that they now languish in one of the Technicolor labs in the states. Derek said that he enquired how much was owing, in view of perhaps paying them and attempting to re-issue some titles, but when he heard what was owing, plus storage costs, he backed away sharpish. I hope that answers your question, as all other Marketing releases (German tracks only) were still being released in Germany, but any with English (or any other language) were stopped because of this royalty issue. I know that they were still planning new Paramount releases as I have seen brochures with new titles that never emerged (I remember the slasher picture "By Bloody Valentine" as one of them, weird what you remember, isn't it!).

I doubt if we will ever see any re-prints from these negs, it's a shame as some of the Marketing prints are turning now (although the majority of the ultra thin poly prints are still pretty good), and there are still some great titles that would still sell re-printed.

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James N. Savage 3
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 - posted October 07, 2005 12:54 PM      Profile for James N. Savage 3   Email James N. Savage 3   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I too have wondered about those negatives. It seems that whoever is holding the negs could work out a deal (like most storage facilities) and reduce the price if someone was serious about paying for them, since I'm sure nobody from Marketing is likely to pop up with a check for them now [Roll Eyes] [Wink] . It would be nice to own a brand new good quality print of the classic "Godfather" parts one and two, on low fade. Although, with their long running times, I'm sure they would be expensive.

Barry- along with "My Bloody Valentine", Marketing also had plans to release "Friday The Thirteenth", parts one and two, at least in digest form, if not full length. These would probably be highly collectable by now if they had been released.

Nick.

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Tom Photiou
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 - posted October 07, 2005 01:05 PM      Profile for Tom Photiou   Email Tom Photiou   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
be interesting to know what titles were in the pipeline to.
Sad as you say, Marketting quality was always pretty good and the titles excellent.

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Barry Attwood
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 - posted October 07, 2005 04:14 PM      Profile for Barry Attwood   Email Barry Attwood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Dear James,

Yes it would be nice to have use of the Marketing negs again, but I doubt if Paramount would be interested even if all the royalties would be paid. They would only get a few thousand dollars in royalties from 8mm, whereas these days it's millions from DVD, and I'm afraid that's the way of the world now.

Did you know that Marketing brought a few things out under the counter, so to say, they released "The Ten Commandments" F/L when they only had the rights to a maximum 50 minute version, and I have also had through my hands a couple of prints of Star Trek 2 The Wraith Of Khan in a 3x400' cut, and also I've had a F/L print of the 1st Star Trek movie, all with Marketing leaders, although in plain packaging. It just shows you what was done in the latter days of 8mm releasing by some 8mm companies (Marketing were not alone in that, even Iver Films released some films that were a bit dubious, copyright wise, that is).

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Michael De Angelis
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Barry,

Thank you for the insight. It's wonderful to know that this was a possibility at one time. The Paramount Package of Films is extensive, and many classics would have been fine collectibles in the 8mm hobby.

Oh, just to create some type of Twilight Zone incident, (without any consequences of course) just to make this a realilty would be fun. We would all be very happy. [Smile]

Michael

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Andreas Eggeling
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Hi,

there was a similar topic like this months ago, but I will write again ....

German collector Rolf Tobei listed in a brochure in 1990 all titles which were released by german companies or which were planned at last.

Rolf Tobei listed at last for marketing-film
Conquest of Space (1955) Order No. 1105, 1106, 1107
Race for Your Life, Charlie Brown (1977) 3 x 400 and complete
Love Story 3 x 400

Interesting to hear that "Wrath of Khan" should be existing, which was released thatrically first in June 1982, when all german 8mm companies already long decided to close their 8mm departments.

The last editions for the international department were made in Hamburg and not in New-York. So, I called the lab last year because of the early topic and they said, when marketing gone liquidated in the early 90s the negs going back from the lab in Hamburg to marketing-film in Bochum.

In the German collecting scene one tells, that surplus 8mm films from the cellar, which found up to then no buyers, was disposed in public garbage containers.

Sometimes the rumors are correct actually. Two years ago I won the auction of the 3 x 400 version of "Gwanghi" from which I read years before that it was once in planning by UFA/KEN but stopped and only 4 trial prints were made.

And now question to New-Yorkers, I have heared from a german collector who visited New-York, that the name plate of marketing-film-international in 45 West 45 Str. exists few years ago.
Does it still exists? I think would be great item for ebay. [Big Grin]

Andreas

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Barry Attwood
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Dear Andreas,

Yes I thought that at the time when I had a couple of the 2nd "Star Trek" movies, but they definately had Marketing leaders on, perhaps this was done on purpose to think they were actual Marketing releases who can tell, all I can say is the quality was very good, as was the editing, but I've never had another print through my hands since, strange, unless these were test prints and no more were struck, I couldn't tell you?

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Joe Caruso
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 - posted October 08, 2005 12:25 PM      Profile for Joe Caruso   Email Joe Caruso   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
For a long time, one of my quests has been the negative department; Just whatever happened to the Super/Std negs from CASTLE, BLACKHAWK, ATLAS, CORNET, KEN, CARNIVAL, GLENN PHOTO, T-BIRD, MORECRAFT, MOUNTAIN, REGENT, and other such - If these were destroyed for any silver content, then gone with the iwind and left to memories, but perhaps some survive - Unless a special arrangement was worked out, I don't think there will be any re-release of these shoerts and other length films - Yes, there's a market of collectors/dealers, but probably not enough to warrant a reprinting and all the technicalities involved, though it would be interesting to see if new original boxes would be convyed (doubt it) - Anyway that's my two cents' worth

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Andreas Eggeling
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... and here in Germany, what happened with the 16mm negs for the 16mm distribution ? .... example "Tim Burtons Nightmare before X-Mas", "Starship Troopers", "Goldeneye", "Mission Impossible", "The Crow" ......

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Winbert Hutahaean
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Then it came to my mind, in my original country (not Fiji), 35 mm English films were subtitled. Does it mean, there are special negatives for every 35 mm distributed in my country? I thought that negatives were only available in Hollywood, unless that special edited version.

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Andreas Eggeling
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Winbert,

today the most 35mm films are subtitled with laser technology.

Andreas

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