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Thomas Smith
Master Film Handler

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From: Barking, Essex, UK
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posted September 05, 2011 03:22 PM

WITH THE CLOSURE OF DERANN FILMS AND DEALERS NUMBERS BECOMING
SMALLER EACH YEAR,WILL MOST COLLECTORS TURN TO AUCTION SITES
FOR THE TITLES THEY ARE SEARCHING FOR IS THIS THE FUTURE FOR
FILM COLLECTING [Wink]

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Luis Caramelo
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From: Funchal
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posted September 05, 2011 03:45 PM

hi! thomas,in my modest opinion,the feutur of collecting must be
beetwen the collectors and the dealers on the moment,because
some collectors i belive they could change some of there titles
for others they had,t chance to get it..but also we must expect
then also are collectors who will never sell a single title,we
must still looking...

luis caramelo

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Graham Ritchie
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posted September 05, 2011 04:08 PM

There aint one... [Smile]

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Steve Klare
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posted September 05, 2011 05:13 PM

Something important to remember is that Derann isn't going out of business because of a lack of business in film. It's their costs as a family owned brick and mortar store that did that. This applies to a lot of small retail businesses all over the world, and 99.99% of 'em have nothing to do with selling films. If they announced they were only going to retail home entertainment electronics and dump film that would be different.

The old collections being liquidated have kept them busy for years, so the supply is there. The fact that I "bought" 8 films the other day and missed out on every last one means the demand is there too.

The question is: "Who is going to be the middleman?"

The opportunity is still there.

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Keith Ashfield
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posted September 05, 2011 05:32 PM

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The question is: "Who is going to be the middleman?"

Most likely E-Bay, I would think.

Even "dealers in film" are, and have been, using "The Bay" to sell films for sometime now.

With regards to "no future" - I seem to remember a similar statement back in the 1980's, when video appeared, and again in the new millenium, when DVD appeared, but here we rae on a FILM forum discussing and still buying and trading film.

The same analogy can be applied to Vinyl records vs CD's and Mini Discs (and Vinyl is making a resurgence).

Film will always be "available" due to a number of reasons - "Natural wastage" of collectors, boredom bringing about change, lack of space, and probably the most threatening of all - ecconomic reasons.

I think the hobby will see out most of us, even though diminishing in quantity over the years.

This despondancy is only natural with the sad demise of Derann. But, let's not forget there have been very few NEW releases over the past few years, but we still continue to "live film".

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted September 05, 2011 06:03 PM

quote:
WITH THE CLOSURE OF DERANN FILMS AND DEALERS NUMBERS BECOMING
SMALLER EACH YEAR,WILL MOST COLLECTORS TURN TO AUCTION SITES
FOR THE TITLES THEY ARE SEARCHING FOR IS THIS THE FUTURE FOR
FILM COLLECTING [Wink]

The answer is YES....

I have once mentioned in the other thread that super 8 collection scene will not fade away because new products no longer available.

Look at to the LaserDisc collection scene, or more the primitive ones the CED (please google to know the CED as an earlier LD).

or the bigger scene such as classic car collections, slotting machines, JukeBox, obsolete console games, etc, etc.

People are doing these hobbies because of the love to their uniqueness (no longer available in this new world).

So once again I should say that the closing of Derann does not mean the demise of this hobby (and to be honest, I did not start my collection because of Derann).

cheers

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Graham Sinden
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posted September 05, 2011 06:07 PM

Even Derann were feeling the pinch from Ebay as Ged told me a while back that there was less secondhand films coming in to Derann now than a year earlier probably because people were using Ebay more and more. As good as Ebay has been, it also has its bad points as well.

Mabye the biggest problem Super 8 will have is how long can we keep our projectors running, okay for the next 10 or 20 years but what about after that. Will my GS1200 still run in 40 years time, but then again I will be nearly 80 and I doubt I will be able to lift it then!

Graham S

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Antonio Costa Mota
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posted September 05, 2011 06:11 PM

One way of reducing considerably the operanting costs is adopting the system followed by Perry´s and Paul Foster.

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Graham Ritchie
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posted September 05, 2011 06:41 PM

Myself I have never used e-bay "not interested", with any spare cash to buy films I always supported "Derann" either new or second hand it all went their way. Its not just about money its also about supporting a business that gave first class service and the future of Super8. But with more and more collectors moving into video projection and selling of their films the demand dropped to a point where the "numbers" needed for new prints was just not there. Sure things will continue in the second hand market, but thats just old stuff getting moved around. Without new films there is no future for the the hobby to grow and as such there is nothing in it for the younger folk who might have been interested in Super8 to get involved in.

Graham.

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Pasquale DAlessio
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posted September 05, 2011 06:44 PM

OK! Now it's my turn to speak my piece. I agree with everybody!!!!!!!!!!!! [Big Grin]

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Louis Franchetti
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posted September 05, 2011 07:06 PM

I think their is more than enough older Films out there for everyone,Not everyone can Afford $300-$500 for a new film

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted September 05, 2011 07:19 PM

quote:
Without new films there is no future for the the hobby to grow

Graham, I am sorry but your comment above sounds too pessimistic. Again I should raise that e.g vinyl collecting scenes is now alive not because people are looking for new releases but in fact they are looking for old stuff.

You can check with those younger collectors that they are not interested with new releases.

Same thing with films, the new comers will not be looking fro new films but instead those old films that were released before they were born. For new releases they can watch on DVD anyway.

Just an easy example is our youngest member here, Austin Holcomb and see what title he is looking for.

Now the easiest way is to list who were Derann's buyers for their new releases, are they new collectors or long time collectors?. I can bet for the later ones.

So cheer-up guys and keep this hobby alive!

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John Hourigan
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posted September 05, 2011 08:03 PM

Have to agree with both Grahams on this one -- at some point, these already 35-plus year-old projectors will give out in the coming years and, with few or no new prints being inserted into the hobby, only older and fading prints will make up the hobby. I tend to be picky in terms of what I show to an audience, and I'm finding that fading prints are already becoming the bulk of the used prints -- certainly nothing that I would show an audience.

However, I continue to be an avid film collector -- I just hate to see the hobby reduced to trading old used films rather the infusion, however small, of new prints.

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Steve Klare
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posted September 05, 2011 08:56 PM

This is a conversation we've had here for years and the answer never changes: enjoy it while you can!

Gloom and Doom from September 2003

Take good care of your films and machines, and accumulate knowledge and spare parts as you can. (Something I keep saying: get a multimeter and learn how to use it!) If you have favorite films, grab spare prints if you can.

My friends, our earthly lives themselves are finite: don't wait until your joints begin to ache to chase after young women, don't spend your entire lives locked in an office while love and adventure are out there and if you enjoy collecting films, then spend your energy there rather than wasting it moping!

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted September 05, 2011 09:40 PM

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Gloom and Doom from September 2003

It is nice to read an old posting made in ....what?? 8 years ago... posted by all forum members registered in 2003, and they all (almost) are still here [Wink]

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Greg Marshall
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posted September 05, 2011 09:44 PM

This hobby will continue to survive. A source will no longer be there, but the hobby will survive. I've noticed some titles on Ebay that are Derann prints.... so as long as there is a second market demand, the titles will show up.

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Laksmi Breathwaite
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posted September 05, 2011 10:23 PM

I know that the SUPER 8 MM will go on with new movies out there like Super 8 the movie and die hard collectors like myself. I don't care if prints are turning color or fading and some prints stay the same . I collect them anyway. And people still go to parties and show them.Projectors are still in mint condition to buy or trade and eBay will still sell prints all the time. And people will collect like other collectables like comic books,toys, action figures,magazines,stamps,baseball cards,and other collectors items.The Future for Super 8 is all of you and this forum. For as long as I live I will show and collect . So Long Live Super 8mm!

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Lee Mannering
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posted September 06, 2011 03:22 AM

Morning Thomas.
Yes the dealers are becoming numbered but also so are collectors. I had another phone call last night saying another had passed away all very sad.

Its true fleabay has affected dealers sales as I will testify. Having a small business myself I attend local business seminars and the feedback re fleabay was that the impact from electronic buying from them has impacted to a great degree for both services and goods.

Winbert. A couple of locals are very busy collecting records (LP/78) and they also seem to do well at record conventions trading. It seems very popular indeed.

Re projectors not lasting. I’m predicting my 1973 Eumig sees me in a box before it gives up the ghost!

Pasquale. I also agree with everybody and so does my Eumig. [Smile]

Lovely picture Laksmi! [Cool]

As this pop song once said http://youtu.be/yHFDa9efCQU

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David Kilderry
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posted September 06, 2011 03:28 AM

I thought the hobby (OK way of life) was dead back in 1982! Every year since has been a bonus. Projectors are cheaper, there is actually more film available than before; thanks to the internet and it's mostly cheaper.

The internet has put me in contact with more dealers than I knew existed. I loved Derrann's new films and bought plenty as I will continue with CHC.

Steve is spot on with his comments, don't mope around, get out there, buy film, sell film and show film!

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Lee Mannering
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posted September 06, 2011 04:58 AM

SIMPLES!

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Douglas Meltzer
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posted September 06, 2011 08:27 AM

Lee,

That's perfect!

True, the market is much smaller, however those of us who still collect are very passionate about it. GIOSI Films, Larry Arpin and Wayne Tuell have all put out releases. Please take a look at Classic Home Cinema's site. On the home page is the declaration:
WE ARE STILL PRINTING AND
RELEASING NEW S8 AND 16MM PRODUCT

Let's support them all!

Doug

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Osi Osgood
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posted September 06, 2011 10:27 AM

... and we at GIOSI Films will release again if we should find something worth releasing. Sure there are lots of trailers, but we like the idea of releasing other rarity things ...

... that, and the funds to do so.

Fortunately, with the advent of good grade long lasting film stock, wer will be enjoying our films for 50 or more!

[ September 06, 2011, 01:14 PM: Message edited by: Osi Osgood ]

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Joe Caruso
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posted September 06, 2011 11:40 AM

And to continue this, I'll be selling very soon - Don't panic, just stay posted, Shorty

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Osi Osgood
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posted September 06, 2011 01:21 PM

Love to have a list of what you'll be parting with, Shorty!

To continue, Super 8 probably would have died a long time ago if not for the Derann's CHC and such (as stated above). That such an expensive hobby would continue on in the face of cheaper forms of entertainment is amazing in and of itself.

It's almost a madness of sorts, but to still see that projected image of FILM, not pixels, still has a magic that all of us who really enjoy the experience of film will never truly part with or if we do, to our own damnation ...

I say damnation as I once parted with my first super 8 collection back in the early 90's and I found myself drawn back to it. It's never been about convenience.

... and we'll continue to trade as long as actual film exists, and that will be a long time, with proper lubrication and storage, which ALL the modern forms of entertainment storage cannot truly boast. While there are "century" kinds of discs (from what I've heard), they are far more susceptible to corruption.

... and what about the every other month or so new lists from CHC, Perry's Films, Independent 8 with new titles, some of which are ones that make us say, "Hey! There's that title I haven't seen in years!"

The only thing that is changing is brand new titles coming out, that's all.

... and hey, I don't think a single one us (our own Meltzer included!) can say that we know of each and every super 8 release that has come out. We are still surprised by the odd title and will continue to be, (such as the constant ever popping up of Super 8 optical feature titles!).

Long Live Super 8!

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Graham Sinden
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posted September 06, 2011 03:24 PM

Well said Osi, I agree with every word.

Long live super 8, the best hobby in the world [Smile]

Graham S

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