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David Baker
Expert Film Handler

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From: Hamilton , Ohio
Registered: Aug 2012


 - posted December 28, 2012 09:56 AM      Profile for David Baker   Email David Baker   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hey gang I have been selling / buying / Trading Super 8MM Magnetic sound films on eBay for many years now and have some interesting experiences to share with you . Most good ; some bad , thanks to the " seasoned " film collector .
We all know film stock prints have a tendency to fade colors over time . Especially when 30 - 40 years has passed since the print was produced . The type of film stock used is also a factor .
Very seldom have I found a REALLY GOOD colorful print of something , but when I bought films from overseas they tended to be in better shape than USA purchased prints .
One thing I found is that we all " rate " the quality of a used print differently . I may think it is in " good " shape , whereas my buyer will be quick to disagree and state it was " fair " . Or if I stated " the beginning leader or title is missing " they also complain that " scenes where missing " , well knowing that the superimposed titles where put over scenes from the print . Or the film did have vivid colors and played fine on my projector but the buyer complained " it was dirty " .
In all these cases , I allowed the buyers to KEEP the films AND refunded their money ! ( One time a print I sold was damaged in shipment also ) They ended up leaving positive feedback , but gave a low star rating for " item as described " . These collector's ended up on my blocked bidder list for a while , until they became a little more civil in their treatment of other sellers .
Come on guys , if you are looking for that " pristine , perfect print " , 40 years later , expect to pay a HIGH PRICE .
I found that MANY collector's want everything CHEAP but won't offer what it's worth anymore .
Recently , on eBay , a color / sound print was being offered and a collector asked a question about some film details and was told by the seller " if you are going to be critical about the condition , please don't bid ' . Needless to say , the seller DIDN'T get a bid on their film print .
I recently purchased a color / sound feature on eBay and the description stated " like new " . Do you think I really will find it in that condition ? No , I don't think so ( because of the age for one thing ) , but , no matter , it will be a joy and much fun to screen it !
So my advice to the seller of Film stock on eBay is : KNOW who you are selling to , UNDER RATE your film condition and start your bid at what it's really worth , otherwise YOU get ripped - off by the buyers who want that " eBay bargain " !
HAPPY COLLECTING / HAPPY NEW YEAR GANG !

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Dave

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Bill Phelps
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From: USA
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 - posted December 29, 2012 06:54 PM      Profile for Bill Phelps     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I hear you...you make some good observations.

I have sold some films from time to time on eBay and I always try to mention everything...sometimes describing them as worse than they are.

One time I asked a seller about the numbers on the side of the boxes of his/her's Blackhawk train films...they only listed the titles and the numbers gave me needed info like format/length/B&W or color etc. Well they answered back and wondered when I was going to bid...I told them I already had the version they listed but thanked them and I was told I was a cheap bum and that I had no intention of bidding and I was wasting their time...on and on... I couldn't believe it!

That's really the only snag I have run into. I wonder if I have ever bought anything from you?

Bill [Smile]

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David Baker
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From: Hamilton , Ohio
Registered: Aug 2012


 - posted December 29, 2012 07:39 PM      Profile for David Baker   Email David Baker   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks for your input , Bill . It's possible over the years we did some business , but I'm sure you would have remembered buying from me if it was a bad experience ! [Razz]

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Dave

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Winbert Hutahaean
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From: Nouméa, New Caledonia
Registered: Jun 2003


 - posted December 29, 2012 11:02 PM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I am sure I never buy from you through Ebay.

But I don't understand where is your post going to say, especially when you say this:

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otherwise YOU get ripped - off by the buyers who want that " eBay bargain " !
This is Ebay, if your item was sold low, then make your starting price high. But then it usually gets low watchers/bidders.

If you meant that your buyer complained something beyond your description then ask him/her to return the item(s) at his cost and refund his/her money.

If he/she leave negative feedback, be with it. After a year it will go.

Buyers who left positive feedback but gave a low star rating is excersising their right to do so. In fact, now Ebay does not allow seller to push buyer to give 5 star by putting such wordings in the description (e.g "please leave 5 star after receiving the items").

It seems to me that you don't like buyers who are looking for cheap stuff through Ebay. I think 90% of buyers in Ebay (not necessarily for films related) are dealing with Ebay for this reason. Otherwise list your item at Christie's or Sotheby's your films may be sold high [Razz] [Big Grin]

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Michael O'Regan
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From: Essex, UK
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 - posted December 30, 2012 03:19 AM      Profile for Michael O'Regan   Email Michael O'Regan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Bill,

I had a similarly comical situation with one of our forum members here. I won't embarrass him by naming him.
I asked a few questions on a print he was selling, which he answered readily.
However, for various personal reasons, none of which were any of the sellers business, I didn't bid on the item. I was contacted by the seller with a rant, asking why I asked so many questions and never even placed a bid, calling me a time-waster, etc. and was told I was now blocked from bidding on his auctions. To be honest, until I found out exactly who the seller was, I thought I was dealing with some kid who knew no better.

Yes, ebay can be a strange place, but I've also picked up some nice prints there.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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From: Gt. Clifton,Cumbria,England
Registered: Jan 2012


 - posted December 30, 2012 05:13 AM      Profile for Hugh Thompson Scott   Email Hugh Thompson Scott       Edit/Delete Post 
That's very true Michael, I haven't as yet sold anthing on ebay,
I have been very fortunate in that all purchases are as described,
but I feel this feedback routine is a bit like a protection racket
in the way that, if you don't tell everyone what a good seller I am
or in anyway slight me, I shall block you and not sell my future items to you.It does deal in threat,like "Trick or Treat" at the
time of Halloween,again,even in jest, a threat.Is this an American
ideal where there is always a price to pay if you don't acquiesce,
given that ebay originated in the USA.

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David Baker
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From: Hamilton , Ohio
Registered: Aug 2012


 - posted December 30, 2012 07:46 AM      Profile for David Baker   Email David Baker   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks Hugh . Over the years I've gotten some REALLY NICE prints from sellers in the UK ( off eBay ) , Derann , Independent , ect.
Great condition films like THE TIME MACHINE , WAR OF THE WORLDS , WHEN WORLDS COLLIDE , SAMSON AND DELILAH , THE TEN COMMANDMENTS , SODOM AND GOMORRAH , LAST DAYS OF POMPEII , WITCHFINDER GENERAL , DR. PHIBES , KING KONG VS. GODZILLA , GODZILLA VS. THE SMOG MONSTER , GHIDRAH THE THREE HEADED MONSTER , THE MUMMY'S SHROUD and THE LOST CONTINENT to name a few .
Oh and by the way gang , I wasn't complaining - just relating some selling / buying experiences . I've NEVER had a bad experience from buying outright from any seller in the UK , or collector here in the USA . [Smile]

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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From: Gt. Clifton,Cumbria,England
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 - posted December 30, 2012 08:46 AM      Profile for Hugh Thompson Scott   Email Hugh Thompson Scott       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi David, no the point I'm making is that there is always this
veiled threat that if "you don't say nice things,then you'll be
punished" on ebay,it's that undercurrent I find disturbing.
It's the same when buying from Amazon, you have to write an
essay on your purchase,although there isn't any "sword of
Damaclese" hanging over your head with them.Speaking for
myself I've been met with nothing but courtesy and kindness
from the folks I've dealt with in the US, but this ebay/feedback
thing I find very odd.

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John Capazzo
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From: Hillside, NJ USA
Registered: Jan 2004


 - posted December 30, 2012 09:37 AM      Profile for John Capazzo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Dave, good to see you here, my friend. We don't have problems with sellers like you. At least I haven't. In fact, film collectors who shop on ebay want more like (and me) who take actual screen shots and know what we're doing. It's the novice sellers who have the same over and over in their descriptions such as "I have no projector to view these films since they came from an estate sale" or "these were my Uncle's or grandfather who left us these so I am selling as is". Or "film is in good condition". What exactly is a good conditioned film?? I asked one woman to roll out a couple of feet of film (only a couple, mind you) to determine if it's sound and she replied "I don't have the time to do this since I have to list a lot of stuff and I am afraid of film all over the floor." Now that's a REASSURING seller, isn't she???>>shakes head<<. If that's the case and we get a print that's missing titles or it's silent when they claim it's sound or many other problems, expect to pay returned shipping from moi. I'm sure others here have gone through this.

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David Baker
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From: Hamilton , Ohio
Registered: Aug 2012


 - posted December 30, 2012 11:39 AM      Profile for David Baker   Email David Baker   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
JOHN BUDDY YOU SURVIVED THE HURRICANE !!! Thanks for the input on this subject . Yes , I should mention all the WAY COOL stuff I bought from you ( as a collector OFF eBay ) like my Elmo sound projector , CURSE OF FRANKENSTEIN excellent feature , FRANKENSTEIN MEETS THE WOLFMAN extended digest and the awesome CURSE OF THE CRIMSON CULT 2-reel digest . Yes I too try to take pics while screening the film before I place it for sale . In fact , I find THAT more fun than making a buck !

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John Yapp
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From: Telford England.
Registered: Dec 2011


 - posted December 31, 2012 06:41 AM      Profile for John Yapp   Email John Yapp   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
An interesting topic, to be sure. I would like to present another side to the coin with regard to prices. I recently sold a Walton T&J and noticed that another seller was offering the same title with original box (mine was missing) and in good condition. His starting price was £4.99. I started mine at 99p and got £9.50, wheras his didn't sell. Even more recently, a copy of Benny Hill part 3 that I listed at £4.99 failed to sell after two listings. I dropped the starting price to 99p and got £8.50 for it. Go figure, as I believe our friends across the pond might say.

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Brad Kimball
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From: Highland Mills, NY USA
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 - posted January 01, 2013 05:46 PM      Profile for Brad Kimball   Email Brad Kimball   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Fortunately, my selling expereinces with film have all been pleasant. I don't have a threshold on how many questions a potential bidder wants to ask. I buy often and expect the same courtesy. Even if what I'm selling is only $1.00 because you never know that the same person may bid on something more expensive in the future. It's all about protecting future transactions. There's also no harm in simply being nice. Karma and all.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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 - posted January 01, 2013 06:01 PM      Profile for Hugh Thompson Scott   Email Hugh Thompson Scott       Edit/Delete Post 
I have the same view with ebay as I have with a film list, if it's
a title I want,I bid, hoping no one else is interested.

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Bill Phelps
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From: USA
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 - posted January 01, 2013 06:08 PM      Profile for Bill Phelps     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I agree Brad, that's why I really couldn't believe that person ripping me up over asking them a question and then not bidding...but they were not just film sellers...they sold lots of different things.

I have bought and sold on eBay since 2005 and really have had no problems at all. The only thing that is frustrating is how they change their policies all the time. [Roll Eyes]

Bill [Smile]

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Winbert Hutahaean
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 - posted January 01, 2013 07:13 PM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
In my country Indonesia, I was known as a vinyl trader. Although I am now based in Canada but many Indonesian collectors keep buying from me although my price sometimes 2 or 3 times higher than local traders.

When I asked why they kept buying from me, they liked how I treated them, i.e answering all questions without intention to push them to buy.

When I was selling vinyls I was always answering their questions just like sharing my knowledge. I never answered their questions with only "yes" or "no" but giving a little bit of explanation and if possible, providing them with link to the web for more information.

I found many ebay sellers are really pathetic when selling their items....same thing with many pawn shop owners in the town [Big Grin] [Wink]

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