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Panagiotis Melas
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From: Kallithea, Athens, Greece
Registered: Feb 2013


 - posted February 19, 2013 01:15 PM      Profile for Panagiotis Melas   Email Panagiotis Melas   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Good day to all from Greece. This is my first post here.

I just discovered this forum. It's really a great place to discuss film matters. Congratulations to all participants!

I have an Elmo SC-18 Hi Vision 8 mm Sound Projector, which has been out of use for several years due to my (very) frequent absence from home. When I tried to operate it recently, I discovered that its mechanism is functioning half the way (the take-up reel is not turning). I suspect that this is a matter of broken (or loose) belt due to aging.

I have seen here a similar thread from a member (Joe Balitzki), requesting information of how to replace the motor (and other) belt of this projector. I have followed it and I gathered the - very helpful, indeed - instructions and photos in it.

However, I considered that a Service Manual of this projector would be more than useful to have, in case of future maintenance needs. I am therefore seeking for a - free - Service Manual.

Furthermore, I am also looking for replacement parts, belts especially. I have found several auctions at ebay, some of them ridiculously cheap and some expensive (for two belts only).

Several questions come up to my mind in this case:

For example, what if I choose to buy the really cheap belts kit (two belts only)? Is there any risk that these are aged belts and therefore subject to fail? Should I go for the expensive ones?

Has anyone an opinion about it?

Thank you in advance

P.S.:
By the way, I have the Instruction Manual of the SC-18 scanned and saved in PDF. If anyone needs it, I can send it to an email address for free, of course.

I have also discovered this thread of Brad Miller. I wonder how I can send my scanned manual to his "Warehouse", to become available to everyone.
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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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 - posted February 19, 2013 01:29 PM      Profile for Jean-Marc Toussaint   Author's Homepage   Email Jean-Marc Toussaint   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hello and welcome to the forum.
I would love to get the service manual if you could mail it to me
jmtoussaint (at) claranet (dot) fr
I think I produced the original pictorial step by step for belt changing on the SC18 back in the old days (see here)
The cheap belts on Ebay tend to sag after a while, I've tested them.

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Pasquale DAlessio
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 - posted February 19, 2013 01:32 PM      Profile for Pasquale DAlessio     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Panagiotis

Welcome to the forum!!!!

PatD

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Panagiotis Melas
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 - posted February 19, 2013 02:18 PM      Profile for Panagiotis Melas   Email Panagiotis Melas   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Hello and welcome to the forum.
I would love to get the service manual if you could mail it to me
jmtoussaint (at) claranet (dot) fr
I think I produced the original pictorial step by step for belt changing on the SC18 back in the old days (see here)
The cheap belts on Ebay tend to sag after a while, I've tested them.

Bonsoir, Jean-Marc. Merci beaucoup for your nice words. As I wrote, it is the Instruction Manual that I own. Not the Service Manual. I can send it to your email, if you are still interested.

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Panagiotis

Welcome to the forum!!!!

PatD

Thank you very much, Pasquale. I really enjoy the company here. [Smile]
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Winbert Hutahaean
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 - posted February 19, 2013 05:44 PM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Panagiotis,

Welcome to the forum. You will find some Greek members here too.

Could you also send the instruction manual to my email please winbert (at) hotmail (dot) com.

thanks

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Yanis Tzortzis
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 - posted February 20, 2013 05:46 AM      Profile for Yanis Tzortzis   Author's Homepage   Email Yanis Tzortzis   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Kalimera Panayoti,

I'm afraid I can't help you re; the manual-never had that Elmo, though I'd love one...-but thought it's good to say a welcome to another Greek member [Smile]
if you want you can tell us more about your collection-maybe other people in Athens could help you with queries you might have in the future.
....good luck with the manual and keep in touch!

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Panagiotis Melas
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 - posted February 20, 2013 12:58 PM      Profile for Panagiotis Melas   Email Panagiotis Melas   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Kalispera, Yanni

I just saw your post. Thanks for your words. I am going to send you a PM and email, if this is OK with you.

During the years I have developed a standard policy to get and own the service manuals for most of my home electronic devices (and beyond). It has proved to be very useful, especially when time is passed and maintenance and/or repairs are necessary and there are no qualified technicians to do it. However, for the older components this is not easy all the times.

The Elmo SC-18 had been used at home quite often (sometimes extensively), especially when my children were still young. We used to play ready-made 8 mm films, some of them extracts from real cinema large works and most of them stored on 15 to 20 minutes reels. We also enjoyed our own small films, shot with my Canon 514XL-S Super-8 sound camera, which now must be gathered together and be sorted and grouped appropriately.

Unfortunately, these days are passed and I can see now how wonderful they were. I need to go back to them and the Elmo is the most significant component for this. Therefore, my very first step should be the correct and complete maintenance of the SC-18. This is where a service manual gets in. I will continue searching for it and I hope I get it at the end.

Meanwhile, the Instruction Manual is available for anyone, wanting it. It can be sent with email, as I did for Jean-Marc and I am going to do for Winbert tonight.
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Yanis Tzortzis
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 - posted February 20, 2013 05:38 PM      Profile for Yanis Tzortzis   Author's Homepage   Email Yanis Tzortzis   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Panayoti, many,many thanks for your PM & your kind words;was great to meet you-even through the Forum! I live & work in Birmingham, UK
and will try to reply to you in Greek as soon as I get the time to write a longer email in Greek fonts!
I hope you will get in touch with the other Greeks of the Forum that live in Athens,& promise to do my best to meet up next time I'm in Athens.
More details to follow!

good night [Smile]

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Winbert Hutahaean
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 - posted February 20, 2013 08:14 PM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Panagiotis,

Thanks, I have downloaded from wetransfer.

I knew some email providers are not allowing file more than 3 MB, so you used this route.

But I offer you another alternative that we can use for transferring a big file like this by using Google Drives.

I no longer save my important files in computer hardrive which can get damage or lost but by saving in Google Drive. We can get a full access from anywhere and anytime and any computer, plus sharing the files to anyone just by giving the link.

For example, the manual you just gave me can now be downloaded from the below link without any time limit as wetransfer does:

Elmo SC-18 Instruction Manual

cheers,

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Panagiotis Melas
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 - posted February 22, 2013 12:02 PM      Profile for Panagiotis Melas   Email Panagiotis Melas   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Good evening to all, again

I decided to go ahead and buy from ebay the Service Manual for my SC-18. It wasn't cheap, it costed me almost $38.00 (including shipping to Greece), but I felt like having no alternative, in case I really need to make the SC-18 fully operational again. I believe it will take a few days to arrive at my home, but this is expectable.

Anyway, after having read the relevant thread, where Jean-Marc Toussaint has provided some very useful photos and info about belt replacement, I noticed that there are three (3) belts inside the projector.

Subsequently, following Jean-Marc's suggestions, I found that the seller "isellprojectorbelts", plus one more seller at ebay, both do offer a set of two (2) - not three (3) - belts, claiming they are BRAND NEW.

Let's say that I initially accept their claiming and buy the belts.
- Am I going to have trouble, by NOT having the third belt?
- Is that 3rd belt also subject to aging and failing, as the other two selling ones?
- If it really needs to be replaced, where am I going to find one?

Please, forgive for asking so many questions. It is true that I haven't still tried to open the projector and form a firm opinion about its condition, therefore some of my current questions may seem stupid. But I really would like to be better prepared, before I face an unexpected surprise.

Thanks in advance.
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Joe Balitzki
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 - posted February 22, 2013 01:53 PM      Profile for Joe Balitzki   Email Joe Balitzki   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I believe the 3rd belt is for a footage counter. Most of the machines that were made do not have one. You will know for sure when you view the Service Manual. I bought a set of 2 belts but only needed one. The one I didn't use I have not changed because the original is still good. It took quite awhile to replace the broken belt due to having a very tight space inside to work with. It was better than disassembling the projector though. And without the Service Manual to refer to I left well enough alone!

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