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Topic: Old prints (e.g. Ken Films, Marketing, U-8, UFA, etc) that have held color
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Winbert Hutahaean
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From: Nouméa, New Caledonia
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted August 26, 2010 02:14 PM
[edit]: I have changed a bit the title, so now we are not only talking Ken or U8, but all prints released during the 8mm heyday (until 1980s) which are still holding the color well. Please note that not only LPP/AGFA will keep the color but also Eastman, depend on how it was processed. One of example is provided below (Elvis Hawaiian Paradise) and it is not Eastman LPP too, just Eastman.
ps: Derann/CHC new prints do not fall into this category because they were printed after 1990s
Following the other discussion:
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Adrian Winchester:
...I have any Universal 8 left that isn't faded. I checked a few and although a previously OK 'Creature Fom the Black Lagoon' had 'gone', my scope 'Jaws 2' has little or no fade and 'The Island' is holding up well too. So if anyone has non-faded U8 prints not in the fridge, enjoy them while you can!
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Douglas Meltzer:
How about a new thread about Kens & U-8s that have held their color? I have quite a few!
I'd like to start a new thread for these two specific companies which are well known to have faded by now.
But as Doug stated above, some prints are lucky.
Please bear in your mind that Ken last releases (1980s) were printed on LPP stock. So I believe some of them have held their color until now. If you have it, please report here.
However, as Adrian mentioned also above, some U8s belong to me were also used to be good. But when I screened it last time, they have faded to red-red wine.
I never found U8 have still held the color. Any one get luckier?
So let's start post your title here so we know when bidding the item on Ebay we can get lucky as you. Providing screen shots will be more helpful. Let start with me:
The Sand Pebbles
Length: 400"
Released by: Ken Films
Country: USA
Stock: Kodak SP
Lab: Maritz
Date of Print: ....
cheers,
[ October 28, 2010, 08:45 AM: Message edited by: Winbert Hutahaean ]
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Adrian Winchester
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From: Croydon, London, UK
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posted September 02, 2010 08:56 AM
I know it's a big task, but it would be good to work towards compiling a definitive list of what from each distributor appeared on low fade stocks, or even SP as some are holding up well and could be early attempts at LPP. This would enable collectors to know what titles are worth looking out for with regard to good colour. Maybe some of us could volunteer to do this in relation to compiling information on a specific distributor.
It's interesting to know about Universal 8 or other prints that still look good, but of course it doesn't mean that other unfaded copies of these titles are readily available, or that they won't fade soon. I'm sure that (e.g.) my 'Pit and the Pendulum' is now typical warm Eastman. I'd be surprised if there are ANY Universal 8 release where ALL the members here who have it would find that their copies are not faded.
As for Ken, probably the best print I have for non-faded colour is 'The Rose' on Agfa. I'm not sure if I've ever owned a Ken release on LPP.
[ September 02, 2010, 02:59 PM: Message edited by: Adrian Winchester ]
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Winbert Hutahaean
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From: Nouméa, New Caledonia
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posted September 02, 2010 10:31 PM
Hi all,
Since I started this thread focusing only on Ken and U8 can we limit on that two companies only please. If we go to MGM for Tom & Jerry, it has been covered here:
MGM also printed on AGFA
which was started by me too. So based on that thread, it has been proven that MGM did sometime print on AGFA stock.
But for Ken and U8 were still a mystery for me if they printed on low fade stock too.
However, from the above responses it seems that at the end of its production, Ken switched to AGFA for a couple of reasons. For example the 2 Empire Strikes Back, The Rose, and Silver Streak.
To be honest, I want to see what kind of low fade quality they have (is it the same like Derann's?). So can you guys post your picture here.
At the moment, I 'd like to post non-pinkish Ken Films:
Can-Can
Length: 400"
Released by: Ken Films
Country: USA
Stock: Eastman
Lab: Cine Magnetic Inc.
Date of Print: ....
The three pictures above has been posted on the other thread. It can be not-faded print or on the opposite it is lab fault. I don't know!
I also want to see some more U8 with low fade or slightly fade. Douglas, didn't you tell me that you have Battlestar Galactica and the sequel without any sign of fade. Can you post pictures here please?
cheers
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John Skujins
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From: Greensboro, NC, USA
Registered: Mar 2009
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posted September 06, 2010 10:49 AM
I looked closely between sprocket holes on the leader and every few feet there were letters which were partially covered by the balancing stripe, so they were hard to make out. I saw what looked like ACCC, LAOI, ANL, LA, AN, LII, OX.
I would like to know if any of the Star Wars Part 2 prints were low-fade. Anybody know?
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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted September 06, 2010 08:03 PM
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Regarding Universal prints, I think we have to view them differently to Ken, because although a few have held their colour, as I understand it no one has EVER identified one as being printed on low fade stock.
Adrian, that was my understanding too, until the latest Derann list said that "Thoroughly Modern Millie" graded as no fade at all. I knew that this title was released on 2 version, i.e yellow strip on the top with photo picture below that and new U8 boxing with white box covered by an insert/envelop, similar with those 2 x 400" from U8(and for "Modern Millie" was pinky colour).
I don't know if the no-fade that Derann says is the first one or the second one. But I have the first one with fading color. Can you can ask Derann?
But when you were referring "no one has EVER identified one as being printed on low fade stock" was for all their releases, I can tell you that some of their carton (200") were printed on AGFA. I knew Woody woodpeckers, Andy Panda and sort of are one of them.
Osi once confirmed it here too.
So, can someone post the pictures of your U8 please.
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I guess I was comparing it to my "JAWS" 2 x 400 digest, where even the water looks red before the shark attacks! MAKO looks so much better than that one. 
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