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Dimitris Mpakirtzis
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Hello, I discovered that 800ft reels are rare on the net, do you know any eshop having stock? I want 2 pieces. I am interesting in something like gepe or posso quality with case...

Thank you in advance.

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Steve Klare
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They aren't really rare, just a little underappreciated because they don't fit all the 600 foot projectors out there.

As far as I know, Gepe still makes their 800 Foot reel.

They have a distributor in Athens:

Gepe Distributors in Europe

Boutopoulos Trading & Technical Co.
29, Eratosthenous Str.
Athens
Greece

Tel: +30 (210) 701 53 60

Laser Colour

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Dominique De Bast
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You can find 240 meters reels but the regular sellers sell them around 25 euros.

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Dimitris Mpakirtzis
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Thank you Steve, GEPE 800FT is out of stock in the company's site, Greek distributor doesn't import s8 reels, I just emailed a question about the future production of the specific type. You mean 800 projectors of course, not 600, right? Do you know 800 reel compatibility issues for the bauer t610 [specific company's product]? Just to know and to save money...

Dominique, thank you for the info.

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Steve Klare
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What I mean is an 800 foot reel will fit an 800 foot (or 1200 foot) capacity projector, but a 600 foot machine: no way!

Super8wiki says Bauer T610 is good for a 240 Meter Reel and there are pictures of it on the 'net with the Gepe/Elmo 800 footer, so I would say you are good to go!

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Maurice Leakey
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Paul Foster can supply Super 8 spools in 800'.
http://www.fosterfilms.co.uk/accessories.htm

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Dimitris Mpakirtzis
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Ok Steve, it is clear...

Maurice, thank you, I have the Galactica in two reels and I want to make merge to 800ft long.

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Dominique De Bast
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As Steve says, many projectors have a 600 feet (180 m) limited capacity. What is possible to do is to use a long play unit. This upgrades the possibilities of the projector and allows to use up to 2400 feet(720m) reels.

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Michael Wright
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Steve, I can think of at least one exception to your rule. Some sankyo 600 feet sound projectors will take a 800foot supply reel and with a very minor modification will take an 800 feet take up as well. Cheers. MIKE

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Steve Klare
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I did say "all the 600 foot projectors out there.", therefore I did allow for exceptions.

"If the facts are on your side, pound the facts,
If the law is on your side, pound the law,
If neither is on your side, pound the table."
[Big Grin]

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Dominique De Bast
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I readed several times (so I guess it was not a mistake) on this forum a plural number (600, 800...) followed by the word foot. I always thought that the plural of foot was feet. Is there a kind of exception when it is about measuring ?

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Steve Klare
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That's an interesting point (never thought of it before!).

But this is all correct:

"How much film does a 600 foot reel hold?"
"600 feet, of course!"

I have absolutely no explanation either. English vocabulary and grammar get messy sometimes. (There's no reason why the plural of "foot" shouldn't be "foots" in the first place. It just isn't.)

I work with a bunch of guys from Siberia. First of all they are Russian speakers (of course), second of all they are metric 99% of the time.

"How much cable will we need to reach the extraction straight"
"300 feets"

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Dominique De Bast
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Maybe it's American English.

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Michael Wright
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Like Steve said English is very irregular. In England foot is often the plural of foot! It's not correct, but everyone uses it. MIKE

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Dominique De Bast
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Thanks for the precisions.

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Jon Byler
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I think the use of foot instead of feet is when referring to another object, like an 800 foot reel. I have never heard a reel refered to as a 500 feet reel. Just like with metric it would be a 240 meter reel, but the length of the film is 240 meters.

I think it has to do with referring to the meters themselves, or whether one is primarily referring to the object, whether one uses plural or singular form of distance unit, regardless of whether using the English or metric units of measure. I think this is the same in german, at least that's what sounds right in my head. No idea with other languages. Enlgish and German coming from the same historical/linguistic roots, it wouldn't surprise me if Latin based languages and others had a different way of dealing with this stuff.

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Raymond Glaser
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Why do we measure horses in "HANDS" instead of "FEET" ???

I mean, afterall... horses have four feet (or is it foots?)--- they don't even have any "HANDS"

Just something to ponder ...

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Dimitris Mpakirtzis
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Jon is right about the "meter", "meters" usage...

We can say that "I have to drive 30kilometers" and this is distance, that means that someone has measured the distance in the past, no more, no less than that.

The usage of meter in "240 meter reel" has another meaning, "meter" here describes a property [capacity] of the reel, using the reel we can handle no more than 240 meters of film. That's the difference. 240 meter reel = it is possible to use film 240 meters long in this reel, no more, less yes, bur no more than 240m. if it was not possible to use less than 240m, then the "240 meters reel" could[?] be right.

"meters" is noun

"meter" is adjectival in "meter reel" ... [i used google to find the word adjectival, I hope to be right...]

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Dominique De Bast
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In French it would definitly be always plural. "Une bobine de 60 mètres." (bobine means reel)

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quote:

In French it would definitly be always plural. "Une bobine de 60 mètres." (bobine means reel)

Because in French you never pronunce it anyway .... [Wink]

Just kidding.....

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Dominique De Bast
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That's why we pay so much attention to the spelling [Wink]

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Maurice Leakey
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At times there is nothing as strange as our use of English. We can use feet or foot and mean exactly the same thing.

At times Americans do not understand certain English expressions or colloquialisms. I was on a Caribbean cruise a couple of years ago and was seated with some Americans. I was chatting and in the conversation mentioned the words "chaps" and "blokes".

One American leaned over and asked:- "Maurice, what's the difference between a chap and a bloke?"

It's always been acknowledged that the English language is the easiest to learn, but the most difficult to speak properly. Perhaps that applies to the British as well!

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Steve Klare
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Actually English is one of the hardest languages to learn, especially as a second language.

A lot of languages have standardised pronunciations: if you see it in print, you know how it's pronounced.

-yet in English we have this:

Through
Though
Rough
Cough

English also contains more words than most languages, mostly because of all the different cultures that contributed them. This makes it harder to learn, than again it has a lot of shades of meaning. It also means English speaking people aren't shy about adopting new words (or even just making them up), so English is very adaptable.

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Mike Peckham
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I can’t claim to be an expert, so am happy to be corrected on this by more knowledgeable persons, but I think it is down to the use of foot as either qualitative or quantitative. The same confusion exists in English with the use of “fewer” and “less”, fewer being quantitative, ie; referring to numbers or countable units, and less referring to mass.

An example would be; fewer cars means less traffic, or, fewer people means less of a crowd. It is common place to see less being used when to be correct it should be fewer, as in; 10 items or less.

Feet is the quantitative plural form of foot and is used where you are dealing with countable units, ie; how many feet? or, two feet make a pair. Foot on the other hand is a qualitative measure where you are referring to the plural of foot as a whole, ie; 600 foot reel, or; this room is 22 foot long.

Has that helped, or made things even more complicated? [Confused]

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An American visiting in England asked at the hotel for the elevator.The portiere looked a bit confused but smiled when he realized what the man wanted."You must mean the lift," he said."No," the American responded. "If I ask for the elevator I mean the elevator.""Well," the portiere answered, "over here we call them lifts"."Now you listen", the American said rather irritated, "someone in America invented the elevator.""Oh, right you are sir," the portiere said in a polite tone, "but someone here in England invented the language."

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