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Henry Stafford
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From: Melbourne, Australia
Registered: Sep 2013


 - posted September 04, 2013 07:15 AM      Profile for Henry Stafford   Email Henry Stafford   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi, I'm new to the forum and I thought I'd put this query out to the knowledge base to see if anyone could help.

I purchased a Nizo 801 recently and shot a test roll of Ektachrome 100D (one of the last batch). I got the film back from telecine and it appears very jittery and jumpy on a lot of shots (primary those shot at 18 and 24fps). I reviewed the footage on a projector and the problem was still evident, so it's native to the film, and not an error with the telecine.

Here is an excerpt to illustrate what I mean:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfVIXypajas

Would anyone know what might cause such a problem? I'm pretty disappointed as I was told the 801 was a reliable model to use!

Any help would be appreciated,

Henry.

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Robert Crewdson
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: UK
Registered: Jun 2013


 - posted September 04, 2013 07:29 AM      Profile for Robert Crewdson     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hello Henry,
Not sure if my answer will help you. I purchased a Nizo (I forget the model) from a seller on Ebay; he had lots of Nizo's and I knew they were a good make. I spent an extra £12 buying the correct cell battery for the lightmeter; not available in the normal shops. The film kept jamming and I had to keep taking it out. I contacted the seller who insisted that the camera was fine, but blamed Kodak for saving money by not lubricating the film. I eventually took the cartridge out and put it into my Cosina, which hadn't been used for 30 years and there was no problem. So I think the fault lied with the camera rather than the film cartridge. I eventually got a refund.

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Dominique De Bast
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 - posted September 04, 2013 07:30 AM      Profile for Dominique De Bast   Email Dominique De Bast   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I don't garantee that what follows is in academic English. Before looking for a technical problem, as you said that it happens only on specific scenes, it could be a shooting problem. If you use the zoom on the maximum without keeping your cam steady, your image is not steady neither. You can (if you cannot keep your camera steady) improve this when shooting someting without movment (like a landscape, the see and so on) by filming at a higher speed than the other scenes, for example, you shoot at 18fps and then you shoot something with your zoom at the maximum at 24 fps. Of course, the 24 fps scene will appear a little bit slower on the screen which will soften the lack of steadiness. To make it natural, don't shoot caracters or things with a movment easily noticeable.

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Joe Taffis
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 - posted September 04, 2013 09:00 PM      Profile for Joe Taffis   Email Joe Taffis   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Henry, welcome to the forum! I think there is definitely something wrong with your camera, not the film. The images themselves look smooth....

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Maurizio Di Cintio
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From: Ortona, Italy
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 - posted September 09, 2013 04:00 AM      Profile for Maurizio Di Cintio     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I do not think Henry's post refers to unsteady images due to excess use of telephoto lens: an experienced eye can easily discern between an unsteady hand and unsteady film transport; from what I read, it is a problem of film transport, and speaking out of experience, I have to say it is partly due to no lubrication: older filmmakers will recall that when tearing open the foil package of a sealed K40 catridge, the presence of some sort of wetness on the film was apparent through the film opening(s): that was lube which I haven't seen anymore since the early 2000's, still in the Kodachrome era. Today, with film stocks not specifically conceived for cinematoraphy but for still images AND being a thicker film stock, depending on the overall conditions of a camera, jitter may result from these cartridges, but that does not necessarily mean a camera is faulty: my Nizo Professional shows the same symptoms when used with Ektachrome 100 D, but transport is flawless when using B/W TRI-X, which is thinner. According to me, current color filmstocks are critical: succesful, flawless transport largely depends on the way the shutter/claw/motor assembly is designed and maintained: The Nizo system is very good from the point of view of silence, especially the "sound" models (but also the silent ones are remarkable, albeit to a lesser extent); unfortunately they have a downside in that their torque (the strenght the claw pulls down the film with) is somewhat lower than in even some lower-end models, which is paradoxical, but 40 years ago, when these cameras were designed, nobody could foresee these camera would last so long, let alone having to cope with these stocks.
WIttner sells a product called "Gate Lube" that I have bought but still have to try, which should fix the problem. I'll try it the next time I use Ekta 100 on my Nizo and I'll let you know the results.

Henry, try using your 801 with a B/W cartridge just to counter check if it works properly.

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