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David Wilmot
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From: Tsawwassen, Canada
Registered: Jan 2014


 - posted January 31, 2014 05:38 PM      Profile for David Wilmot   Email David Wilmot   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Guys,
I am new to this and I have a problem.
I have OLD family super 8 film and an old Bell and Howell Model 489 Filmosound 8 projector.
I have no manual and I can't find one on the web but it runs fine except NO sound.
There is a hum from the speaker which gets louder as the volume is turned up.
I assume that the sound is magnetic like an old cassette tape.
If correct might the heads be dirty and is there any way they can be cleaned by say running a piece of special cleaning film through if there is such an animal. As I said, new to 8mm.
Any advice on how I can get the sound working or should I cut and run and find one that works. I want to get the sound off this film and add it to a digital copy of the film which was done without sound.
Thanks
D W

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Steve Klare
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From: Long Island, NY, USA
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 - posted January 31, 2014 07:24 PM      Profile for Steve Klare   Email Steve Klare   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi David,

Are you sure you have sound film? Most family movies are silent.

If they are talkies you should be able to see either one or two brown magnetic stripes at the very edges of the film.

These are the most obvious in light colored or clear lengths of film.

If they are sound the easy thing to try is to operate various sound related switches and see if maybe they've built up oxides while in storage.

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Maurice Leakey
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From: Bristol. United Kingdom
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 - posted February 01, 2014 02:23 AM      Profile for Maurice Leakey   Email Maurice Leakey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
This projector was made by Eumig and a manual is on line from Film-Tech. Click on my link and go to 8mm projectors, and then down to Eumig S810 series. Note that the manual also covers the "D" model which is dual gauge.
http://www.film-tech.com/warehouse/index.php?category=2#8mm Projectors
If you have established that you have a film with magnetic sound, try operating the record button on the left/rear side a few times. Do not operate with a film in the projector as it could delete some of the existing sound track.

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Maurice

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Vidar Olavesen
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 - posted February 01, 2014 02:30 AM      Profile for Vidar Olavesen   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
If it's a dual, isn't there a S and N switch under the cover? It's on my Mark-S 710D and won't give sound on Super 8 if it's set to N

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Maurice Leakey
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 - posted February 01, 2014 02:45 AM      Profile for Maurice Leakey   Email Maurice Leakey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It is not a dual-gauge.
http://www.super8data.com/database/projectors_list/projectors_bell/bell_489.htm

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David Wilmot
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From: Tsawwassen, Canada
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 - posted February 02, 2014 06:51 PM      Profile for David Wilmot   Email David Wilmot   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hello All,
Thanks for your responses and apologies for not getting back sooner.
As to my film having sound or not I know it had sound as it was there back in the late 80's when I ran it on my original projector and I do have the oxide strips running down both sides of the film. Narrow on the sprocket edge wider on the other edge.

I have looked at the EUMIG S810 and it seems almost identical except for a couple of bits inside but in reading the instructions it occurs to me that I may have inadvertently wiped the sound and there is no way to check unless I have a projector with KNOWN sound operating?
The Bell 895 is exactly how mine looks.
Coming back to sound. I am not sure when running a film with sound should the recording switch (the right hand one) be turned all the way to the right until it clicks, which I would assume is the Off recording position.
And lastly ain't it ironic. Had I had this problem 22 years ago when I lived in Bristol I now know where I could go for help!!!

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