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Alberto Lalla
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posted February 03, 2014 01:36 PM

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Hello, I am a new user and my name is Alberto. I have an old projector bell & howell 606 (not 606m). I would use it again. The projector works fine but I have to change the bulb because it is deformed by heat. I can't remove the bulb without break it. The projector is equipped with a lamp 110v 400w A1/87, but I can't find another one like it. Can someone help me?

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Pasquale DAlessio
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posted February 03, 2014 02:14 PM

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Hi Alberto!

WELCOME TO THE FORUM!!!

Try this link on EBay:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.Xbell+howell+606+bulb&_nkw=bell+howell+606+bulb&_sacat=0&_from=R40

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Maurice Leakey
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posted February 03, 2014 02:28 PM

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This projector usually has a 500 watt lamp known as the A1/47. See attachment.
http://www.donsbulbs.com/cgi-bin/r/b.pl/dar%7C120v%7C500w~ansi.html
The lamp has a special pin for locating in the Bell & Howell lamp-house. As you say, unfortunately these lamps form a bulge and then the only way to remove an old lamp is to break it.
The lamps are extremely difficult to find and if are available are very expensive.
This is a great pity as it is a very nice projector, as is its later "brother", the 606H. The 606H dispenses with the resistance and uses a 240 volt lamp.

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Paul Mason
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posted February 04, 2014 03:23 AM

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Alberto,
Here is an A1/87 on Ebay.
web page

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Alberto Lalla
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posted February 04, 2014 10:20 AM

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thanks to all for the answers. I had seen some lamps on ebay but all of these are 500-750 watt. On my projector there is a label that says "lamp 400 w max" so I'm not sure what might happen. Can I use it anyway?

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Maurice Leakey
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posted February 04, 2014 10:47 AM

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I have just done some checking with a 1954 catalogue and I see that the 606 does indeed use a 400 watt lamp, whereas the model 606M has a 500 watt lamp.

Both have an internal resistance to drop the voltage.

If the projector actually says "400 watt maximum", then this should be adhered to.

The eBay link which Paul kindly found (see link below) actually has a A1/87 for sale although the advertiser says it is a 500 watt. BUT, if you look closely at the picture of the box it appears to show that it is a 400 watt.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Project or-bulb-lamp-A1-87-110V-500W-SBH-Black-TOP-8-/370974135692?pt=UK_Photography_Bulbs_Lamps&hash=item565fc8158c

If you intend to use the projector it might pay to convert it to use a lamp which is readily attainable. But if you really wish to run standard 8 film you ought to consider another projector such as the Eumig P8 which is quite easy to find lamps.

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Alberto Lalla
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posted February 04, 2014 02:33 PM

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I had seen it but the seller said me that it was 500w 115v lamp unfortunately.
I'd like to use my projector if possible. How I can convert it? Can you explain?

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Alessandro Pavoni
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posted February 04, 2014 02:55 PM

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Hi Alberto, tray here

http://www.marriottworld.com/stock/lampstock.htm

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Maurice Leakey
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posted February 05, 2014 03:06 AM

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Fred Marriott is asking £49 for the A1/49 lamp, for under that amount of money you can get a Eumig P8 (with case) on Italian eBay for €34.99.
http://www.ebay.it/itm/PROIETTORE-EUMIG-P8-PROJECTOR-RV1332-/321059617972?pt=Proiettori_e_Videoproiettori&hash=item4ac0a4fcb4
The 606 was introduced in 1947 and uses a lamp which only Bell & Howell use, and after all these years it is not really a good idea to try to keep them going. Conversion to a more widely used lamp is almost impossible due to the small diameter of the lamp house, and the fact that the lamp entry is from the bottom.

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Paul Mason
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posted February 05, 2014 03:47 AM

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The lamphouse reflector or mirror should unscrew for cleaning. It may be possible to replace it with a mount for a mirror lamp such as the 12V 100W A1/231 if the hole is big enough. It would be a tricky job and the original 110V lamp wiring would need to be removed.

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Maurice Leakey
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posted February 05, 2014 05:07 AM

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quote:
.....if the hole is big enough

Regretfully it is not.
The hole with the reflector removed is 33mm across.
The A1/231 (EFP) has an overall diameter of 49mm.

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Paul Mason
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posted February 05, 2014 07:09 AM

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That rules out use of the reflector hole. The only other alternative would be convert the old lamp using the old A1/87 base and a small halogen lamp as suggested by Martyn Stevens. Again new lamp wiring would be needed.
Lamp Conversions

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Maurice Leakey
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posted February 05, 2014 10:22 AM

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quote:
.....new lamp wiring would be needed

And it's not new wiring but a transformer is also needed, and there's nowhere in a 606 to install it so it would have to be external.

Therefore, not a desirable way to mess about with a classic projector from yesteryear.

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Paul Mason
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posted February 06, 2014 03:54 AM

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Agree about the external transformer but provided the body is not modified the change is minimal and reversible.

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Alberto Lalla
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posted February 06, 2014 09:42 AM

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Thanks for answers. I understand that it is better to take another projector. Do you have suggestions for a good projector "modern" with the pieces easy to find?
The EUMIG P8 isn't so good because in the description says missing lamp and straps, and he don't know if it works fine. So any other suggestions?

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Maurice Leakey
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posted February 06, 2014 03:15 PM

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How about this Eumig P8?
http://www.ebay.it/itm/Proiettore-Eumig-P8-1965-/111236547686?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_101&hash=item19e6370466

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Fabrizio Mosca
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posted February 07, 2014 01:44 AM

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Ciao Alberto,

In Italy you may also look for Cirse Sound 2 / Silma S240, that are 8mm sound projectors easy to service in basically all components.

Another good projector is the Kodak Sound 8 (here's one on ebay.it http://www.ebay.it/itm/Proiettore-vintage-Kodak-Sound-8-/331123296173?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_101&hash=item4d187c87ad#ht_122wt_1059)
Even if lamps are difficult to be found, it may easly been converted to accept the 12V 100W dicroic lamps

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