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Daniel Tollick
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posted July 11, 2015 11:52 AM

I am very new at this I have only been collecting fora few months and I see a lot of Derann releases go for high prices why?

Also what price would a die hard 8mm be worth?

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Tom Photiou
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posted July 11, 2015 12:26 PM

Around a fiver [Big Grin]

(just joking, i have reasons).
Derann released most of the more modern titles and most of them were full length and many in the scope format on low fade print and generally were very good quality.

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Daniel Tollick
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posted July 11, 2015 01:35 PM

Thanks top and I know why you are saying a fiver [Wink]

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Tom Photiou
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posted July 12, 2015 02:53 AM

I've been. Rumbled [Big Grin]

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted July 12, 2015 02:55 AM

Most low fade popular full length Derann titles that have been kept in excellent condition command a premium resale value that depending on title,can typically begin at £150 and peak at over £1000 nowadays for a mint print of Star Wars in original boxes with all leaders and tails in tact.

I would expect to see Die Hard in its original format of 5x 600ft spools, to sell for a minimum of £200 in very good condition at auction.

On another day or from a dealer, the same title could easily sell for £300-£400.

Stick in there,that's my advice to anyone interested. These don't come up too often nowadays in good condition. [Wink]

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Graham Sinden
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posted July 12, 2015 03:15 AM

Tom summed it up perfectly but just to add to that even old titles can get high prices. Recently on Ebay a Derann release of 'Red Hot Riding Hood', a tex avery cartoon from 1943, sold for £53. Now if this was a Walton or Techno release (just an example) would it have sold for as much even if the colours were good. I think most collectors/buyers see that the Derann box shown and reel indicate its on low fade and know the Derann quality is usually the best. I have so many Derann shorts that I can sometimes tell from the box design if its on low fade, and I think other collectors do and bid high for it.

I also notice that the 'Blue' look to many Derann titles does not put people off buying, particularly their Advert reels which can easily get £40-£50 on Ebay.

Graham S

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted July 12, 2015 03:25 AM

Derann epitomized Super 8mm Graham. Without them churning out top titled full length releases well into the late 90's, I doubt I for one, would have the interest in cine film that I have.

Terminator, Die Hard, Speed, Robocop, Silence Of The Lambs, 20 Something Disney's!
Highlander, Independence Day, Predator etc etc etc....where else other than Derann?

I love older films also including many classic musicals but without all the above mentioned,the spectrum would never have been complete for me.

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Graham Sinden
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posted July 12, 2015 03:47 AM

You don't need to tell me about Derann Andrew, but a new collector might wonder why their releases are sold for more.

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted July 12, 2015 04:07 AM

Quite right Graham, quite right. [Wink]

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Tom Photiou
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posted July 12, 2015 04:19 AM

I think a lot of it is simply that people like,(a term that annoys me a bit), "retro" items. Older things. Take cars as a good example, a good Escort Mk1 or original mini now commands ridiculous money, todays cars are comfy but are obsolete after just a few years, none of todays motor cars will be classics, they are simply not built to last.
Vinyl is making a big come back, you can hold, it feel it and collect it and look after it, be proud of a collection & in my opinion with a decent quality record player such as Lynn the quality was always better than CD anyway, no young people can collect there music because they download it, you pay your money and although you can play your music you don't a anything material for your money.
Super 8 is the opportunity to show films like they have done worldwide for over a hundred years, you can hunt down the titles you want and even the projector you show them on becomes an important part of your collection, maintaining and cleaning etc, now I think people want this, we see younger people on here occasionally asking advice on which projector to buy. Modern stuff is good and cheap even easier but the whole showman thing and collectable has disappeared. Humans like to collect and store, its in our nature. [Wink]

That's what I think anyway, by the way Die Hards still only worth a fiver [Big Grin]

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted July 12, 2015 04:23 AM

Well someone already believes it is worth 32 times more Tom! Ha ha [Wink]

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Daniel Tollick
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posted July 12, 2015 05:07 AM

Th and you all for the information. Tom sorry I will have to throw my hat in the ring [Wink]

soon. Also does anyone if a website that has full specification details for the releases? And what titles they released.

I currently have two the texas chainsaw massacre and reel one from the mummy hammer film.

Daniel

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Dominique De Bast
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posted July 12, 2015 05:49 AM

Daniel, although Derann stopped (sadly !) its activities some years ago, there is still one of their catalogues on the net http://derannlists.co.uk/derann/super8mm.php .

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Daniel Tollick
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posted July 12, 2015 06:31 AM

Thank you! Now I am concerned about he die hard imam looking at it's only 4 spools .

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Maurizio Di Cintio
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posted July 12, 2015 07:06 AM

That's "Die Hard 2", where a group of terrorists hijack an airport (instead of a plane).

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Daniel Tollick
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posted July 12, 2015 07:48 AM

Ok so the listing must be for the second die hard and not the first [Frown]

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted July 12, 2015 10:22 AM

The film for sale Daniel is the original. It has just been respooled so they will be very very full!

The seller has had it on 2x 1200ft reels before now which it just about fits on, then he has broke it back down as a 4x 600ft feature instead of how it was spooled originally.

It will still be the full complete feature but may have a splice or two extra.

[ July 12, 2015, 02:30 PM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]

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Daniel Tollick
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posted July 12, 2015 11:03 AM

Thank you Andrew! I noticed the tape on the edge just like my exorcist that's on one spool full to the brim!

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted July 12, 2015 08:41 PM

Daniel, I think popularity is not inline with the quality.

Derann is discussed more because the number of titles they printed and quantity were more then any other companies. However if you have heard other companies such as Red Fox (USA), Kempski (Germany) they also printed best quality prints.

These two companies' releases will go high too. Red Fox printed many shorts too and they were rare now. Kempski what I knew only released F/L and several Tom & Jerrys.

However we've rarely seen them on Ebay because the qunatity was far less than Derann's

This is probably similar to why people talking more VW (Volkswagen) than Peugot in vintage car collecting hobby.

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted July 13, 2015 03:27 AM

Red Fox and Kempski prints as Winbert points out are excellent low fade prints that are on parity with those supplied by Derann in the same era.

Let's not forget Derann purchased all the negatives from both of these companies when they ceased trading so many Kempski and Red Fox prints are actually Derann prints printed by Rank labs in Bucks.

Going back to Die Hard, it finished at £260 and I was sad to see it wasn't my good mate Tom who won it. I know this is a title he has wanted to own for many a moon.

As often happens on e bay, late comers bidding just within the last few minutes of the auction, take all.

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted July 13, 2015 03:28 AM

Red Fox and Kempski prints as Winbert points out are excellent low fade prints that are on parity with those supplied by Derann in the same era.

Let's not forget Derann purchased all the negatives from both of these companies when they ceased trading so many Kempski and Red Fox prints are actually Derann prints printed by Rank labs in Bucks.

Going back to Die Hard, it finished at £260 and I was sad to see it wasn't my good mate Tom who won it. I know this is a title he has wanted to own for many a moon.

As often happens on e bay, late comers bidding just within the last few minutes of the auction, take all.

£260 IMHO, is still a good price in this era for a very good print of this film. They are becoming rarer now in good Nick!

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Lee Mannering
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posted July 13, 2015 04:05 AM

As they said on a recent antiques programme, its very much a case what someone is willing to pay rather than what its worth.

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted July 13, 2015 04:31 AM

Yes Lee, one of the same thing.

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Brian Fretwell
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posted July 13, 2015 06:28 AM

Also Derek always went for and got the best quality elements to master from and would view check prints and sometimes get a new duplication negative made if it was not of good enough quality. He was a salesman that knew it was cheaper in the long run to keep customers than find new ones, so he treated them well and sold a good product, if the quality was lower than normal he would say so before selling.

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Tom Photiou
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posted July 13, 2015 06:35 AM

Watta bummer [Frown]

I'm being punished for not taking the copy that was offered to me. [Frown]

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