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Melvin England
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 - posted April 10, 2016 06:59 AM      Profile for Melvin England   Email Melvin England   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have 2 small bottles of "Liquid Blue - VCL Video Tape Cleaner Liquid" which also states "It's gentle to films,slides and video tapes."
These bottles were bought between 15 and 20 years ago. Looking at the blue liquid in the bottle, it seems to be in the same condition that it was when bought new.... no sign of cloudiness,liquid separation, solidifying or anything. The liquid is 1,2,2,Trifluoroethane.

My questions are.... first, has anyone had any experience of using this item and is it any good?

Secondly, and more obviously, would it still be safe to use all these years later on my super 8 films?

I very much look forward to your responses.

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Mathew James
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 - posted April 10, 2016 08:35 AM      Profile for Mathew James   Email Mathew James   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Melvin,
Interestingly, these bottles you have may not be available to purchase anymore because trichlorotrifluoroethane, also called 1,1,2-Trichloro-1,2,2-trifluoroethane or CFC-113 is a solvent that has attracted much attention for its role in the depletion of the ozone layer.

You may want to first see if this is legal to even use anymore.
Maybe someone else will have more info...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Protocol

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Andrew Woodcock
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It's also extremely carcinogenic which is why it is a completely banned substance in industry now!

Use filmguard if you value your well being. It's harmless to your health and does its job on films first class.

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Maurice Leakey
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 - posted April 10, 2016 10:53 AM      Profile for Maurice Leakey   Email Maurice Leakey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
We used trich and carbon tec for cleaning in cinemas which I have worked in.
We were always aware that good ventilation was necessary whilst using and not to inhale too much.

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Steven J Kirk
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 - posted April 10, 2016 11:17 AM      Profile for Steven J Kirk   Email Steven J Kirk   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Use FilmGuard. Just been doing some cleaning with it yesterday. Lint-free cloth, lightly dampened. Just perfect. Is also a lubricant and has fixed a couple of 'stuttering' prints I had.

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Andrew Woodcock
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Agreed Steven, the very best, most efficient and effective film cleaner that can still be brought into the UK.

It really does enable prints on either stock variety to simply glide through the projector gate with a vast reduction in projector running noise!

[ May 13, 2016, 10:03 AM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]

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Melvin England
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To all the above people who have responded to this item.... thank you soooo much. It appears I may have opened a can of worms. I did not know how serious this chemical was. Now I have to find a way of disposing of it.

Fortunately, I had never used any of it on any of my films and have subsequently bought several bottles of Cresclean from Phil (CHC) at the Blackpool convention which I HAVE used on my films to great advantage.Not sure how it compares to Filmguard but it does the job very well.

Thank you all, again.

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Will Trenfield
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 - posted April 10, 2016 05:49 PM      Profile for Will Trenfield   Email Will Trenfield   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Melvin, I'd suggest you ring your local household recycling centre and ask their advice. Ours has a designated skip for hazardous waste.

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Melvin England
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 - posted April 11, 2016 02:36 AM      Profile for Melvin England   Email Melvin England   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks Will. I will do that..... let's hope they don't immediately evacuate the area! I'll let you know what the reaction was!

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Andrew Woodcock
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Will, Melvin, I wouldn't get too carried away here...
This trich stuff was used in huge quantities for years in industry and plenty of us are still ok, for now at least anyway! Ha ha.

Just dispose of it in a similar way as if you did an oil change on your car or were throwing out some batteries from your old cordless drill.

It's banned for a reason, but it ain't nuclear fallout we are talking here! [Big Grin] [Wink]

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Adrian Winchester
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Cresclene is a good product but certainly one to use in well- ventilated conditions! And take care if the film has tape splices.

I know that Filmguard is highly-regarded as a lubricant but it's interesting to see it praised here for its cleaning qualities. But if you're (e.g.) cleaning a 16mm print with a coating of grime, wouldn't something like Film Renew - that doesn't have to be applied so sparingly - be more effective in getting the dirt off?

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Andrew Woodcock
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Never used Film Renew Adrian, but I know it is a very well respected cleaner.

With regard to Filmguard, all I can say is I've found it brilliant even just as a cleaner since I began to use it. Any marks, just disappear and base scratch lines are all filled in to make them appear totally invisible on the screen.

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Will Trenfield
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Who's the best supplier for Filmguard in the UK for smaller quantities? I've only about 6,000 feet of film (at the moment).

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Andrew Woodcock
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The cheapest I've found Will, is Jack Roe directly.
It is seemingly where anyone else selling it the UK gets it from.

http://www.cinemasupplies.co.uk/

http://cinemasupplies.co.uk/ProductDescription.php?prod=CFGUARD

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Will Trenfield
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Thanks, Andrew. I'll check them out.

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Andrew Woodcock
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I've always just ordered mine by telephone Will. They are great to deal with, and on each occasion, it has arrived, signed for delivery, the very next day! [Wink]

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Will Trenfield
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There's a problem with their website. Chrome, Firefox, IE & Opera all report that there's a security issue when you go to checkout. It's not something you expect to find on an UK website. They need to fix that asap.

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Andrew Woodcock
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Don't know mate, I've never tried that method of transaction.

Just ring them up sometime tomorrow, it's a lot safer that way Will. [Wink]

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