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Osi Osgood
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From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005

posted December 28, 2016 12:29 PM

Just sending fellow collectors some info.

I contacted the nice fellow selling El CId ...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EL-CID-SUPER-8-FILM-SCOPE-DERANN-PRINT-/182395221508?hash=item2a779a3604:g:xsUAAOSwa~BYWaGn

... and was informed that this is an 80 minute "digest' from derann of the film, 40 minutes on two reels.

I didn't know that Derann released cutdowns from El Cid, but apparantly they did. the seller is an honest gentleman, but sometimes as american collectors, when we see different ways of stating reel size and such (this fellow is in Argentina), it can be confusing ...

So, this isn;t the full feature of El Cid, and i think a few other features that he is selling might well be shortened or digested versions of the features. Once again, this is no deception on his part, but just kniow the reel size and all.

I only write this e-mail as i have made that same mistake in the past, buying or bidding on something i thought was a full feature and it ends up being a digest version of the feature, but unfortunately being confused by different ways of describing reel size.
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Mike Newell
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: United Kingdom
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posted December 28, 2016 12:35 PM

I bought odd reels of El Cid from Derann and made a nice hour long mini feature over time. Mine was masked print but not scope.

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David Hardy
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From: Johnshaven Village , Montrose, Scotland
Registered: Jan 2015

posted December 29, 2016 04:13 AM

I once had a 3 x 400' version German print of EL CID.
It was not good quality so I exchanged it for something else.

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Osi Osgood
Film God

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From: Mountian Home, ID.
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posted December 29, 2016 11:43 AM

Here are his own words from his reply ... I like the guy, personally ...

Hi
2 x 240 meters in US measurement is 2 x 830 ft , aproximatelly 40 minutes per reel.
Is a reduced print from Derann in excellent color , equivalent to the German version released by UFA in 4 x 400´ ft.

Regards

I wonder if the fellow just bought specific reels he wanted from Derann, (which a person could do, either to replace a damaged reel or otherwise), or was it packaged in this 80 minute way as a digest of the film?

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Winbert Hutahaean
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From: Nouméa, New Caledonia
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posted December 30, 2016 01:39 AM

Osi just ask the seller if there are splices in each reel.

cheers,

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Osi Osgood
Film God

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From: Mountian Home, ID.
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posted December 31, 2016 11:43 AM

interesting question. I think I'll ask for you, (but i won't be able to get back to you here until Tuesday, as the internet is closed down until then).

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Adrian Winchester
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From: Croydon, London, UK
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posted December 31, 2016 01:51 PM

I'm certain there was no official cut down from Derann, but his words "reduced print" could still be broadly accurate!

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted December 31, 2016 02:24 PM

No, I'd never heard of one previously either Adrian.

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Del Phillipson
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From: Derbyshire, England
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posted January 15, 2017 06:52 AM

Winbert, do you know something I think I know the answer to too.

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted January 15, 2017 07:02 AM

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Brian Fretwell
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From: London, UK
Registered: Jun 2014

posted January 15, 2017 07:15 AM

I have a couple of test prints of odd reels from the Lone Wolf days that I bought off Trevor at a BFCC many years ago. I wonder if the seller has some and has done what Osi suggested.

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