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Christian Romero
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 - posted September 28, 2017 04:17 PM      Profile for Christian Romero   Email Christian Romero   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Looking for the full length.

The 4x400 would be fine if FL not available.

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David Skillern
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 - posted September 29, 2017 08:41 AM      Profile for David Skillern   Email David Skillern   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi - your going to have to be very lucky !!!

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Oliver F. R. Feld
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 - posted September 29, 2017 09:05 AM      Profile for Oliver F. R. Feld     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi,
is there a 4 x 400" edition?
I only know about the 3 x 400" edition of marketing-film, Germany.
"Der Marshal"...!
Maybe You take a look at the german EBAY site:
there is a "Der Marshal"/"True Grit" edition. 150 Euros though...

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David Skillern
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 - posted September 29, 2017 09:39 AM      Profile for David Skillern   Email David Skillern   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Oliver,

As far as I am aware only the 3x400ft version was available in the UK - I believe the full length was available in America - but if anyone has got a copy - then they aren't prepared to part with it !!!

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Christian Romero
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 - posted September 29, 2017 11:07 AM      Profile for Christian Romero   Email Christian Romero   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi, here in the USA, TRUE GRIT was released in FL, 4x400 and 400 digest. A trailer was also released.

I'm unaware of UK releases.

Thanks for tip on Der Marshal, I'll look at it.

I'm adding here a post from Duke Pilgrim regarding known John Wayne releases.

quote:
List of John Wayne movie available on Super 8

I have listed below what movies are available on super 8 relating to John Wayne.

Package Super 8 movies were sold to collectors from early 1970s to mid 1980s
Although the odd title still appeared after that date.

Initially only edited highlights of films were issued in 200 foot and 400 foot reels.

These came in an array of formats Black & White Silent, Colour Silent, Black & White Sound and Colour Sound.

Most of these titles were sold in cardboard boxes with artwork from the film or plastic clam shell cases

As time went by long versions of movies were issued to collectors until full length features were available.

In addition, to official releases were production/distribution rights had been gained by the issuing company a number of bootleg /pirate prints of much sought after features have also been printed using a16mm negative or print.

Most of these type of prints would have problems with scratches negative damage or sound faults.

Other unusual titles to surface were theatrical trailers and production reels used for marketing purposes.

Super 8 despite it small collector base can attract high prices and the likes of features can sell for hundreds of pounds.

Problems with super 8 as well as its cost are as follows:-

Colour fade – Films prior to the introduction of low fade stocks of super 8 in the 1980s can be prone to colour fade were the colours of a film can diminish to browny reds. This is a bit like Russian roulette as different stacks of film are affected in different ways and degrees. Storage of film in cool dry conditions
are recommended and countries with wide varying temperatures (such as USA) seem to have more films effected by colour fade than say Europe.

Damage - Super 8 film is easily damaged by scratching which can occur by using poorly maintained/cleaned projectors. Also, because the sound is recorded on small oxide strips similar to cassette tape this can be damaged by poor storage
or handling.
Equipment – The last new super 8 projectors were made in late 1970s and early 1980s. This means latest machines are at least 25 years old. Unless you buy from a reputable source such as a dealer there is on guarantee that your machine will work or not damage the film. If interested in using a projector ask lots of questions and if possible see machine working DO NOT BUY FROM EBAY AS THIS IS A CASE OF PAY YOUR MONEY TAKE YOUR CHANCE.

As mentioned, there are a number of reputable dealers who sell second hand equipment and will guarantee working of machine for a least 3 months from purchase. I can recommend companies such as Perry’s Paul Foster Films and Independent 8 for equipment.

Most John Wayne fans with the availability of DVD and Video I think will
not make the effort of being a fully fledged film collector.

However as a piece of memorabilia from a by gone age the smaller versions of films in colour packaging make a nice addition to a collection.

Breakdown of Times

200’ equals 8-10 minutes digest of movie
400’ equals 20 minute digest of movie
600 ‘ equals 25-30 minute digest of movie
2x400 equals 35-40 minute digest of movie
3x400 equals 50-55 minute digest of movie
4x400 equals 70-80 minute digest of movie
FL equals Full Length feature
Tr equals trailer
BL Bootleg/Pirate Print

Price Guide

Price is determined by condition and rarity of title

200’ between £5- £10
400’ between £5- £15
600 ‘ between £15- £25
2x400 between £15-£30
3x400 between £30-£60
4x400 between £30- £60
FL equals Full Length feature between £50 - £150
Tr equals trailer between £5 to £10
BL Bootleg/Pirate Print can range from £250-£500
Promos between £10-£15
Two Fisted Law 400
Hurricane Express 600
The New Frontier FL
Stagecoach Tr, 400 , 4 x 400 and FL
Allegheny Uprising FL
Long Voyage Home FL
The Spoilers 200
The Fighting Seebees FL
Tall in the Saddle 2x400
Tycoon 2x400
They Were Expendable FL
Wake of the Red Witch 4x400
Red River 3x400 (German release dubbed in German)
Fort Apache 400 & 4x400
Sands of Iwo JIma Tr 400 4x400 5x400 FL
She Wore a Yellow Ribbon 400 and 4x400
The Fighting Kentuckian Tr
Rio Grande 400 and 5x400
The Quiet Man 400 4x400 FL and Tr
Fighting Leathernecks 400 and 4x400
The Conqueor FL and Tr
Jet Pilot FL and Tr
The Searchers Very Rare Bootleg FL
The Wings of Eagles Tr
Rio Bravo Tr and Bootleg FL from Germany
The Alamo Tr
The Commancheros Tr
North to Alaska Tr
The Longest Day 400 (No John Wayne sequences)
How the West was Won 400 (No John Wayne sequences)
Mc Lintock Tr
Circus World 4x400 FL and Tr
Sons of Kate Elder Tr
True Grit 400 4x400 and FL (in USA only)
Hellfighters 200 and FL (in USA only)
Rio Lobo Promo Trailer reel
Cahill 200ft Promo The Man who wore the star (this is on DVD release)
Rooster Cogburn Tr 400 and FL
Oscar the 1st 50 Years 1978 200 presentation of Oscar by Barbara Streisand


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Brian Fretwell
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I don't know where the Marketing 400ft cut down I bought was intended for, but the mini catalogue included in the box shows it being available as :-
400ft Selected scenes No. 414-4
3 part Edition No. 1052, 1053, 1054
Full Feature No. 4144
Unlike 2 other titles the full feature does not have Available in USA and Canada only by it.

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David Ollerearnshaw
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To add another title The Undefeated was available full length, but for hire only. FDA who were the 29th Century Fox 16mm distributors did this one. At the time the print was fantastic, it took a number of years before the rest caught up.

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Mike Newell
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 - posted September 29, 2017 05:47 PM      Profile for Mike Newell   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Christian

There is only 400, 3x400 and very rare FL versions of True. Grit all released by Marketing.

The 4x400 is a typo mistake on my behalf.

Mike aka Dukepilgrim😎

Here is a more comprehensive list of John Wayne on super 8 from a few years ago

http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=010157

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Christian Romero
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 - posted October 01, 2017 03:11 PM      Profile for Christian Romero   Email Christian Romero   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Guys, thanks for the replies and thank you Mike for clearing that up.

That German copy would be great if it weren't auf Deutsch.

Were there 16mm prints for sale of this?

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