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Topic: That ol' 708 is back up on the 'Bay I see...
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Andrew Woodcock
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From: Manchester Uk
Registered: Aug 2012
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posted February 23, 2016 01:25 PM
Terry and Del. You are of course both correct to have your reservations regarding the overall condition of this projector, but just like when it originally surfaced and was discussed here and elsewhere, these machines do have quite a high residual value even if only for spare parts
When you consider two spindle hubs now would cost you over £400 delivered to the UK, also a magnetic head will cost over £200 each as would a main motor, then you begin to realize that even if this projector sells for around £250 like last time, this could well prove to be a relative bargain to many Beaulieu owners out there.
At the price it currently stands £99, anyone who already has duo model or higher, has nothing to lose quite frankly.
There are plenty of useful parts on even this poor specimen to be able to get your money's worth as a donor for a decent one.
Belts, cam, claw, heads, motors, transformer, guides etc etc...the list is endless.
Not too long ago, I saw a guy here wanting a rear cover for his decent machine. This is exactly right for someone in that position. Nowhere else would you find one.
Rob Young here needed a spindle clutch for example not too far back here. Luckily Rob was able to repair his existing one once he spent much time taking it apart and working out a strategy, but this would have provided an excellent quick fix solution had it been available at the time.
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Andrew Woodcock
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posted February 26, 2016 02:23 PM
With an electricians head on me looking at this, I'm inclined to think differently Del. This machine has been sat for a very long time, no doubting that.
It actually doesn't look hammered to my eyes, just neglected and unused in a very long time while being stored in a very damp place.
What that says to me, quite like Phil's machine here recently, is that due to the damp conditions of storage, there is a good chance that quite a large section of the electronics will need replacing.
The transformer will need drying out and testing and may even need a re dip, I doubt there would be too much wrong with any of mechanical parts and plastic guides etc will be ok.
The motors currently both work, though as said the transformer and switches etc may all need work or replacement.
Just because they appear to work, doesn't mean they are safe!
But to come back to your point here regarding the mag heads,a machine left in storage for THIS long, probably hasn't been used anywhere near one that would still look immaculate now.
If it looks immaculate, chances are someone still loves it and therefore uses it still. Therefore wear items like mag heads and motors etc, may well have been subjected to many more miles of Film running through it, than the ones on this abandoned example featured here.
Of course, all of this is just guess work, but a neglected machine can often be a little used one also!
[ February 26, 2016, 03:41 PM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]
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Andrew Woodcock
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posted March 01, 2016 02:44 AM
The only thing that can cause it Mark, are the two things I have spoken about if everything else is set correctly.
I would be interested in you enlightening me to the others who have had negative experiences in the scratch department with these for the simple reason, whoever I have spoken with regarding this specific point, they have all named just two machines which,unless something is defective, will not scratch films under any circumstances.
The Fumeo 9119/20 was one, The Beaulieu is the other.
I am inclined to believe there are one or two more than that, but people with many more years under their belt than I have in this game, this is what I've listened to them say, repeatedly.
This includes the most respected UK repair specialists we have.
In response to your last point here Mark regarding these machines being fussy with some older acetate and fractional wider or "off" slit prints such as the Walton features, I was of the same mindset until I made the recent changes to the claw penetration.
Now the machine runs just as well and just as quietly with these type of films, as it does with later thinner Polyester ones. No difference at all and much much quieter now all around.
The fan noise now exceeds any claw and gate noise to put it into perspective, in the same way a good 938 does the same.
As said before, on these open gated machines, the difference between having the machine set exactly correct....., to not having, is unbelievable.
It can go from emulating a "sows ear to a silk purse" in a few simple steps.
I am inclined to believe they were all like this at one stage, then came along their owners in some cases.
[ March 01, 2016, 01:29 PM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]
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