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Osi Osgood
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From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted May 13, 2012 02:14 PM
Boy! I wish! (concerning "Grizzly Adams")
The funny thing is that I do own a super 8 optical sound print of this, but it's faded, and while I am not quite certain that I will find a perfect color print, (After all, it was released on optical sound in 1974, and that's nearly 40 years), I hope to find at lest a decent copy of this feature.
One of the neat things about that Laurel and hardy book is the addition of describing planned alternate endings to some of the Lads films.
For instance ...
The ending of Blockheads has Ollie's neighbor chasing Ollie and Stan outside with a gun, the nieghbor shoots it off and every window has cheating men jumping out of apartment windows.
OK, that's funny, but Stan's desired ending, (I don't thinbk it was ever filmed) has the lads disappearing around a corner, the neighbor disappearing as well. There are a lot of shots from the shotgun ... fade out ...
fade in on Stan and Ollie, both they're heads mounted on the neighbor's trophy wall! Ollie's head turns to look at Stan and says ...
yep, you guessed it ...
"Well, this is another fine mess you've gotten me into!"
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Hugh Thompson Scott
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From: Gt. Clifton,Cumbria,England
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted May 15, 2012 02:45 PM
Hi Osi,I'll tap into your own topic from Ricky's.The print of the 16mm "When Dinosaurs" is a very nice print and cost £250.00
back in 1993.The nice thing with Harry was that we both shared
an interest in Sci-fi, Horror etc and the last time I saw the little guy was at the Hammer convention Bray ll ,Harry loved to sell me his prints,because as he said, if he wanted to borrow either for the
Manchester Fantastic Film Convention or his own viewing,he knew
he only had to ask,whereas if they were sold overseas,that was the end of it.I remember my print of"Night of the Demon" was
more in Harry's care than mine,which was just before Tony Earnshaws fabulous book on the film came out,Harry helped
on that.Getting back on Topic,The "Dinosaurs" is on two
1600' spools and the colour as you'd expect is excellent and
compliments "One Million Years B.C." another IB perfectly.
The most expensive I ever got from him was "Beast From
Twenty thousand Fathoms" at £350.00.Those were the days
when you didn't give a second thought to indulging yourself,
or as I prefer "bugger the expense".
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Osi Osgood
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From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted May 17, 2012 12:59 PM
Could you per chance, put up a few screenshots from that IB Tech print of "Dinosaurs"?
I was already a little nolstalgic when "Clash of the Titans" came out, as, (except for some sequences here and there in other films) this was the last big hurrah for stop motion animation in a fantasy/sci-fi film.
It already looked a little hokey by the early 80's and nearly downright embarassing compared to CGI today, but fun.
Personally, I feel that the skeleton attack is "Jason" is the best example of that stop motion effect, it was done with great skill in that!
By the way, I can't leave this with mentioning the most unique stop motion film in my opinion, "The Valley of the Gwangi"!
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Hugh Thompson Scott
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From: Gt. Clifton,Cumbria,England
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posted May 17, 2012 03:25 PM
I wish I could do screen shots Osi,theres loads of stuff I would love to put up,but unfortunately I haven't a digital camera,(sticking
to film) and I don't think this system allows me.I still think that
stop motion has the edge on CGI, it somehow has a special feel
to it coupled with the fact it takes a lot of patience,I've done some
and it requires a lot of skill.Interestingly as you mentioned Gwangi
when they were doing the effects for "Jurassic Park",it was that
film that they refered to for their dinosaurs walks and runs.
"Clash of the Titans" is now 32 years old,but it beats hands
down the insipid remake,and backs up the argument that as
regards fresh ideas in Hollywood,there isn't any, as all these
very poor remakes prove.
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Hugh Thompson Scott
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From: Gt. Clifton,Cumbria,England
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posted May 18, 2012 02:06 PM
Funnily enough when Jim Danforth did the animation for "When
Dinosaurs",he used "motion blur" and smearing the lens with
vaseline to cut the "strobe effect" in the Rhamphorinctus (flying
reptile) sequence of the film.It took him 18months to animate
that film,even though he was nominated for special effects,it
didn't do nearly as wel as "Years b.c." which took Ray 9 months
had more stop motion,but Harryhausen is a very fast worker.
I still believe that the stop motion films of Ray's will outlast any
CGI,partly because cgi is so commonplace in ads etc that it has
becme the norm.
It was only some months ago that Mike Hankin,Ernie Farino
and myself were having a discussion on one of Ray's effects, the
sequence in "It Came From Beneath the Sea" where the flames
from a flame thrower are seen in front of the model tentacle,
and the jury is still out on that one.Even Ray has forgotten how he did it.Back on subject with strobing,sometimes it can be
alleviated just by (if the subject is in aerial brace) flicking the
models wings and taking the shot,giving the required blur.
As Harryhausen has said himself,you could make the animation
smoother but that doesn't sell anymore tickets.A good example
of good stop motion is the young Allosaur in "Years B.C." and
Gwangi, when these creatures move they give the illusion of
carrying bulk,and their legs behave much like oiled pistons
taking the weight.It was so good that Stan Winston copied
these movements for "Jurassic Park",even though the bulk of this film was using full size models.
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