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Jim Schrader
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From: Savage, MN, USA
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 - posted December 07, 2017 01:37 PM      Profile for Jim Schrader   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I recently bought this print it is from Niles does anybody else own this print? I want to know how many seconds of footage is available before the Secret Agent title appears mine seems to be shortened and want to know if Niles released it this way or was the beginning cut out there is an obvious splice put in place the rest of my cartoons start out with superman flying in and the narration says "it's a bird, it's a plane, it's superman"....etc. but not this one. I have watched the YouTube version and if it is missing anything it would be 10 seconds or so the Paramount logo is not in any beginnings on mine which I eliminated from the time. thanks for any info.

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jim schrader
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Bill Phelps
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 - posted December 07, 2017 06:25 PM      Profile for Bill Phelps     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have a copy.....all my Superman cartoons are seperated except the B&W ones. I have 4 of those and I put them all together on one big reel/spool. I will pull it out and watch soon and let you know.

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Jim Schrader
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 - posted December 11, 2017 02:59 PM      Profile for Jim Schrader   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
thanks bill, trying to figure out if niles put it out this way or not.

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Bill Phelps
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 - posted January 24, 2018 07:45 PM      Profile for Bill Phelps     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Sorry it has taken me so long to watch this but I screened it tonight....in B&W I have ARCTIC GIANT, BILLION DOLLAR LIMITED, SHOWDOWN and SECRET AGENT all on a big reel/spool and they all start the same way...

It's a bird, it's a plane....no its SUPERMAN!

then generic title card

then text with white background explaining that these are adapted from the comics and magazines

then credits from cartoon (I think they use the same credits for all, they all say directed by Dave Fleischer but the last two were not)

then the cartoon story starts....the only exception is ARCTIC GIANT that includes the origin story after the "it's a bird" opening and the speeding bullet, locomotive, tall building descriptions and that is why I put it on this big reel first. Also each cartoon ends with alternate lightning, pounding surf, hurricane references to Superman and the it's a bird, plane....no its Superman! opening again.

It's a great reel/spool! [Smile]

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Panayotis A. Carayannis
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 - posted January 25, 2018 01:28 AM      Profile for Panayotis A. Carayannis     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
All Fleischer cartoons were directed by (or,contractually credited to) Dave Fleischer.The later ones were made by Famous Studios (Paramount) after they took over the Fleischer studios and credit the actual directors.

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Bill Brandenstein
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 - posted January 30, 2018 03:11 PM      Profile for Bill Brandenstein   Email Bill Brandenstein   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Bill, were these prints from Niles or another company? And were there any jump splices in the pre-print source? Thanks for your help.

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Bill Phelps
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 - posted January 31, 2018 04:09 PM      Profile for Bill Phelps     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yes they are Niles prints and the body of the cartoons did not have any jumps that I remember, but the opening and closing sections were a little choppy during the ...bird, plane, tall building...sections...a bit abrupt almost tacked on...but no physical splices in the prints.

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Bill Brandenstein
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 - posted February 04, 2018 05:44 PM      Profile for Bill Brandenstein   Email Bill Brandenstein   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It's the choppiness here that's in question, and is the reason why Jim is concerned that what he received was not ideal. However, Bill, it sounds like all Niles prints are similar so far as "Secret Agent" goes. Bad pre-print source!

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