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David Skillern
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 582
From: South Wales
Registered: Apr 2006

posted May 27, 2019 09:14 AM

Hi Guys,

any advice on the condition of polyester film stock with regards to colour fade. I am thinking of buying a 16mm print and ive been told that the condition is very good but fair to good colour - would this have something to do with the film stock ?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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Maurice Leakey
Film God

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From: Bristol. United Kingdom
Registered: Oct 2007

posted May 27, 2019 10:52 AM

Definitely depends on the film stock. Fair to good does sound somewhat a stretch of the imagination!
Ask the seller what stock was used for the film, and perhaps a more detailed explanation as regards the print's colour.

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David Skillern
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 582
From: South Wales
Registered: Apr 2006

posted May 27, 2019 03:59 PM

Hi Maurice,

Seller says colour is not too bad and it still has some blues there - so I'm not so sure - Id like the print but with postage its just over £80

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Dave Groves
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Southend on Sea, Essex, UK
Registered: Feb 2015

posted May 28, 2019 04:11 AM

David, If it 'still has some blue's there' I'd be saving my money for something else. Suggests considerable fade. Could the seller provide frame shots?

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David Skillern
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 582
From: South Wales
Registered: Apr 2006

posted May 28, 2019 04:27 AM

Hi Dave,

Thanks for this - I doubt the seller will provide pics as he hasn't done before - he's very well known. I think i will pass on this - he says that the condition is very good with a few light lines over the opening credits and a few light lines after that - but if there is fade - how on earth can this be in very good condition ?

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David Hardy
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Johnshaven Village , Montrose, Scotland
Registered: Jan 2015

posted June 09, 2019 10:46 AM

In my opinion a faded print can never be described as being in 'good' condition never mind 'very good condition' . [Wink]

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Mark Todd
Film God

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From: UK
Registered: Aug 2003

posted June 10, 2019 08:28 AM

I suppose you can say very clean condition or no scratches etc.

Some prints on super 8 particularly loose integrity and sharpness as the colour goes as well.

But I do think some prints on the way can still be very enjoyable.

Best Mark.

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Osi Osgood
Film God

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From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005

posted June 10, 2019 11:19 AM

I can't blame a person who doesn't know a good print when he or she sees one, as stating it to be good. I mean, if the print is not completely falling apart as they un-spool it, as far as they're concerned, it's good.

It's the ones that know better that get under you're skin.

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Bill Phelps
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: USA
Registered: Jan 2009

posted June 10, 2019 04:23 PM

This always ones up from time to time. To me a film listed in good condition is talking about the physical condition of the print and the color is a seperate issue. I have some prints in fair and downright crappy condition (torn sprockets, lines) but the color is beautiful. If I see a print listed in good condition I will then ask about the color.

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David Skillern
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 582
From: South Wales
Registered: Apr 2006

posted June 11, 2019 02:36 AM

Thanks everyone for your replies,

After due consideration - I have past this by - although it is an entertaining film - I feel with postage - the print comes in at a little over £82 - a little over priced for its condition.

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Lee Mannering
Film God

Posts: 3216
From: The Projection Box
Registered: Nov 2006

posted June 12, 2019 02:22 AM

David for what its worth my favourite film stock is Agfa AG 2S (Double rank printed) Its probably the only film stock that doesn't turn red.

Did an experiment a couple of years ago on a tram lined film. Colour was bad so split the film in two. One half into the freezer and the other sealed in a bag and put on top of the shed over summer. After a few months the shed film was nice and red and of course the freezer part good. The biggest enemy of any film collection is heat and humidity.
Take care.

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