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Maurice Leakey
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Anyone know of a source for adapters to use 9.5 spools on a 16mm rewinder?

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Edwin van Eck
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We currently have an adaptor for super8 reels: http://shop.van-eck.net/?_globalsearch=sf-0279

I will check if I can make an adaptor for 9,5mm reels.
Keep you posted!

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Maurice Leakey
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Thank you, Edwin, this sounds promising.

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Dominique De Bast
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Edwin, if you could also make 9,5 clips (to keep the film on the reel, like in super 8), that would be miraculous. I don't know if that has ever existed at all in 9,5 (I know in 16 mm it has but these clips are hard to find).

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Edwin van Eck
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16mm clips are already in production. We are now with version 3 and optimizing it. Hope to have it on the market soon.

9,5mm clips whould also be no problem. It there is demand for it, I will put it on the project list.

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Dominique De Bast
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Great news !

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Ken Finch
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Hi Maurice, Much depends on the spindle diameter of the rewinder. If a 9.5mm spool will slide on the spindle it is possible. My Thomas rewinders have adapters to enable 9.5mm. They are simply a disc with a square hole which fits over the square section of the rewind spindle and pins to fit into the offset holes in the spool.
I dont know of any other commercial adapters. Ken Finch.

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Edwin van Eck
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It will be not this easy on a 16mm rewinder. The spindle diameter of a 16mm rewinder is bigger then a hole in 9,5mm reels. But I think we can make a design to solve this.

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Maurice Leakey
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A 16mm spool has a square hole approximately 8mm across, whereas a 9.5mm spool has a round hole approximately 6mm in diameter.
An adapter needs to be very similar to the one Edwin already makes for using Super 8 spools on a 16mm rewinder to which gave a link.

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Clinton Hunt
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I made an adapter that uses a 16mm reel with extra holes drilled to attach the 9.5mm spool.....it's a bit strange but it does the job.....

here's the link to the post....

http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=9;t=000158

So far it has worked well....until a better idea comes along [Smile]

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Terry Sills
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Maurice
If you use a 16mm Muray rewind then it is easy. The 16mm adapters simply slide off which enables the 9.5 reel to fit onto the spindle. I got a local engineer to make the slide on adaptor. I can't get the hang of posting photos (why is it so complicated?) otherwise I could show you the adaptor he made for me. Maurice if you want to pm me with your email I can send you some pictures.
Terry
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Edwin van Eck
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Of of our engineers came up with a brilliant design (I think).
It is now being printed. Hope to have the first results to show in 2-3 weeks!

Als we have made a new design for the super8 adaptors using strong artificial fiber and 3D printing. Also sent to the printers now.

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Maurice Leakey
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Some early news from Edwin which sounds tantalising.

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Ken Finch
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Maurice, I can confirm what Terry Sills has stated. The Muray rewinds are part of the 16mm equipment I have listed. Also contains a Muray viewer (has some bits missing, have still to check it out to see if it is useable. Ken Finch.

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Edwin van Eck
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Note that the adaptors for the Muray viewers are also available:

http://shop.van-eck.net/?_globalsearch=pp-0013

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Terry Sills
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Maurice
Take a look at my previous message. I have added a picture of the adaptor for you. Let me know if you want more pics.
Terry

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Edwin van Eck
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Thx. Currenty working a an adaptor for the Meopta rewinders. But will add also a project for 9,5 mm adaptors for Muray rewinders.

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Dominique De Bast
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Any new film related item is a great new. When it is about 9.5, it is even greater. Back to the 9.5 film clips dicussed above, how many pièces would you need to sell to make the project happen ?

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Maurice Leakey
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Many thanks, Terry, but my 16mm rewinders are Rigby Premiers. One with a square shaft, the other with a round shaft (this one also accepts standard 8 spools.)

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Terry Sills
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Hey Edwin - Do I get royalties on my design???

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Edwin van Eck
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:-) ofcourse ;-)
But I wonder how many I will sell .........
The market for these speciality products is very small. I hope to break even in some time with the 3D design. It is costing a lot.

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Andrew Woodcock
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I am certain you will benefit in the long term Edwin from all of your investments even though we are a small batch society by our very nature.

I would imagine making and designing each prototype for the first time is the hard and costly part.

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Dominique De Bast
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I share the same hope than Andrew. It takes time to advertise things as more people than we one thinks have no access to Internet.

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Edwin van Eck
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Yep, without internet it is quite hard to cost-efficiently sell niche products around the globe I think. Especially with a fast changing catalogue.

1) how to reach this audience without internet?
Maybe some advertisements in video/film magazines. Which?
For a global reach you will need a lot of advertisements.

2) how-to in depth inform?
Send a paper catalogue via snail-mail?

3) how to process orders?
Via a paper order form?

3) how to get payed?
The costs for international non-electronic banktransfers are crazy.

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Dominique De Bast
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Another problem is that people don't talk English. There is a potential number of people indeed hard to reach. Advertizing in magazines is probably a good idea (I have no idea about the costs). People also tend to talk each other. I talked last month to a French repairman and in the conversation I mentionned the fact that you manufacture pieces for projectors and he showed interest for that. I will see him next week and ask if he looked at Internet (I know he's not a fan of that).

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