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Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on December 28, 2003, 04:04 AM:

I read with great interest the articles on film cleaning a week or so ago.This is a subject which i have never been able to get to grips with. I saw one collector mention that after cleaning you get little "puddles" appear on the film, i suffer with this and wondered,am i useing too much cleaner? One dealer said only clean when newly aquired as the cleaner does act like a magnet and attracts dust onto the film and into the path in the projector, again something that has happened to me [Frown]

, particulary noticed on 16mm films. Now then,what is the main opinion of 222 film cleaner? The reason i ask is i managed to aquire some from Paul Foster a while ago and all my collection got a clean up, was that a mistake? I now have LFC from Derann which although is very good, it appears to be a little dry.
A happy new year to all! [Smile]

Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on December 28, 2003, 06:45 AM:

Sorry tried to delete this one but cant find a way to do so. Kev.

Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on December 28, 2003, 06:46 AM:

Hi Tom,
I used 2.22 many years ago and found it to be excellent at its job I do however have reservations about it's possible ability to accellerate film fade on those earlier film stocks. A lot of my earlier films with fade have faded quicker than the same copies on similar film stocks that other people have owned but not treated. I have heard this comment from other collectors so it's not just an observtion I have made. [Frown]

I have heard of reports of Deranns LFC drying out Acetate based films and causing the film to distort but seems to be ok with Poly based film stocks. [Frown]

So far to date I have switched to Cresclean from Classic Home Cinema which seems to be very good. It smells a bit like white spirit with a wax and certainly helps with the transportation of "Green" film and also hides scratches well. [Smile]

Yes I agree with the comments about lubricated films picking up more muck etc but I prefer films which transport smoothly and have no scratches so the appliction of some film cleaner every so often is not too bothersome.

Kevin.

Posted by Ugo Grassi (Member # 139) on December 28, 2003, 07:14 AM:

About the film cleaning, in the italian forum we spent a lot of time to talk about this problem.
Now I'm testing a solution "home made":
gasoline for lighter (or white gasoline) and 4% sylicon oil.
It seems work fine. The film is cleaned and flowing.

Posted by Mike Peckham (Member # 16) on December 28, 2003, 07:35 AM:

Hello Ugo

It's great to hear that there is an Italian film Forum, is that also an 8mm forum? Is there a lot of interest in the guage over there? It's refreshing to hear of a whole other group of people that share this hobby, makes it's future seem a little brighter!

Mike

ps. sorry Tom, hope I haven't taken your thread off subject [Smile]

Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on December 28, 2003, 08:16 AM:

Thermofilm from LGP will clean and protect your film.
It will remove minor scratches but will turn deeper ones green.

Crestaclean will clean film and remove scratches but use conservatively.

Derann LFC will clean film but will warp older acetate film
stocks like Walton, Blackhawk and Ken preventing you from ever focusing again. A 4x400 of Million Years BC and 400s of The French Connection II and Von Ryan's Express lie in the bin
as testimony.

But, then I am the only customer to complain!!

The old Reno film cleaner if available will melt plastic.

Personally, I would keep your projector clean and run films
through an editor with a clean cotton hankerchief to take off any dirt and use cleaners for only first aid cases.

As a final piece of advice I would wash hands throughly after contact with any of these products.

[ December 28, 2003, 10:08 AM: Message edited by: Mike Newell ]

Posted by Ugo Grassi (Member # 139) on December 28, 2003, 08:44 AM:

Yes, two super 8 forum. Very interesting, but I have to say the level and importance of the arguments aren't like this forum and "shooting8mm". In Italy in the early '80 the super8 disappeared. Italians love all the things are fashionable: so the video camera in two, three years destroyed the super8.
But since the latest '90 a lot of people is discovering the super8. Often they are young people and "absolute beginners" to this world, so the topics are like "where to buy the cartridges?" or "how to get the focus by the camera?"....
Anyway the amount of cartridges sent to the processing by the central Kodak office in Rome is growing year by year!!
These are the links:

http://www.forumfree.net/index.php?s=79bc9e974ef3edcd7f4e98852d84c140&act=SF&f=76426

http://www.freeforumzone.com/viewdiscussioni.aspx?f=10741&idc=1

[ December 28, 2003, 10:55 AM: Message edited by: Ugo Grassi ]

Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on December 28, 2003, 01:30 PM:

Mike, Oh no your not the only one to complain. I can testify to your comments and the comments I made earlier as a friend of mine has ruined many Acetate titles on both 8 and 16mm. Soaking with FilmRenew seems to help especially if the films are then reverse rewound. [Mad]

Kev.

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