8mm Forum: In the Elmo site there is a trace of the super 8 projectors!!

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Posted by Ugo Grassi (Member # 139) on December 13, 2004, 01:24 PM:

Until one year ago, in the Elmo site there was not a mention of the "old" production of the factory. It was a very sad thing!
But now...
belt! click here!

Lamp: click here!

Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on December 13, 2004, 03:32 PM:

Thats incredible. It looks like they have stocks of Lamps and belts again?

Kev [Smile]

Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on December 13, 2004, 03:32 PM:

But we want Elmo GS-1200 ESC lamps! Useless buggers haven't listed them. What say we start a hassle campaign to see if we can get them to re-manufacture a few?

Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on December 13, 2004, 03:45 PM:

John they were listed or at least they had 24v 200w against the GS1200 unless they are EJL's [Wink]

Kev

Posted by Bill Parsons (Member # 244) on December 13, 2004, 04:07 PM:

John/Kevin
The part number they list (5L42400211) is the correct number in the manual for an ESC Lamp!

Posted by Mike Peckham (Member # 16) on December 13, 2004, 04:39 PM:

So who can speak Japanese? Perhaps we should club together and make a bulk order [Big Grin]

Mike

Posted by Ugo Grassi (Member # 139) on December 13, 2004, 04:49 PM:

Max lamp order? mmmhhh I need few lamps only...
For me enough 50... no! better 60! Well 100, and I'll be satisfied! [Big Grin]

About these informations in the site. I think this difference between on year ago and now means something...
I think this is an effect of many demands about spare parts (and, probably, for some GS1200 out of stock! [Wink]

)
Do you think it's possible to obtain more from them?

Posted by Ronnie Coeuhant (Member # 143) on December 13, 2004, 10:00 PM:

Check the slogan under the Elmo logo.

"FOCUS ON THE FUTURE"

Isn't this ironic?

Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on December 14, 2004, 01:41 AM:

I take it back. Thanks for pointing it out Bill. Now we just have to find someone who can speak Japanese to arrange an order. Assuming they're not too expensive and they're genuine Elmo ESC's I can expect to be ordering a fair few.

The Elmo ESC was the brightest of all ESC lamps by a long way. I just hope they're the same as they always were - if indeed they are available.

Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on December 14, 2004, 02:20 AM:

One of my good friends did marry a sweet Japanese lady some months ago. I can ask her to have a look at the website for us. What is it exactly that we want, here?

Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on December 14, 2004, 03:27 AM:

Good lad Jean Marc. It's over to you then!

What I think we really need are the contact details for who deals with selling and dispatching 8mm spares. Also, we need to find out it they can read English or have someone translate for them.

I've already emailed the European Elmo site pointing them at the Japanese 8mm page and asking similar information but I doubt I'll get anything down that route - just thought it was worth a try.

Posted by Ugo Grassi (Member # 139) on December 14, 2004, 08:25 AM:

I think they are english speacking.
I wrote them two years ago and they answered in english.

Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on December 14, 2004, 08:51 AM:

Trouble is, I can't translate the address to write to them!!!

I've been in contact with the European Elmo dealership, AVM Ltd. and they've investigated the listed part number for the GS-1200 on the Japanese site. Seems like it is an EJL lamp as they can get them from Germany for around £14. Postage would be an extra tenner so it seems a waste of time going down that route as a genuine Elmo ESC lamp would cost around £40 now.

So the pressure is on you Jean-Marc. I'd like to email the exact same query to the Japanese Elmo people and see if I can get anywhere there. If we can make them understand there are still tens of thousands of us (well, tens of us anyway!) still running their machines from the past there is always the remote possibility they will do something for us.

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on December 14, 2004, 09:23 AM:

I knew my parents should have taught me Japanese.....

Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on December 14, 2004, 09:42 AM:

John:
In that case, would please either email me or post here your "exact same query", so I can ask my friend to translate it. I'm seeing her on Monday. I guess this is more aimed at getting parts other than lamps because I really can't see the point of ordering lamps from Japan when our Japanese contacts import them from Germany. [Big Grin]

Posted by Stuart Fyvie (Member # 38) on December 14, 2004, 10:07 AM:

You can translate this page by using this web address
http://world.altavista.com/tr
cut and paste the web page:
http://www.elmo.co.jp/support/order/8mm_belt.html
select 'translate Japanese to English' and then hit translate.
Good luck with those elmo spares.

Stuart

Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on December 14, 2004, 02:06 PM:

Well that rather scuppers my plan then Jean-Marc. As my previous post stated, I believe the lamps available from Germany are not ESC's as they're too cheap. I may be wrong but I doubt it. For sure they're not Elmo ESC's and that's what we all want.

Stu, thanks for the translation site. I'll have a go when I get the chance and see if I can hassle someone over in Japan. It's worth a try. Enough pressure and they may instigate a run of lamps for us.

Posted by Bill Parsons (Member # 244) on December 14, 2004, 04:18 PM:

John,
The only way the German lamps would be ESC is if they were old stock, Vivitar were selling the ESC lamps about this price just before they gave up the Elmo spares.

Bill.

Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on December 14, 2004, 05:16 PM:

And it looks like they still make 16mm machines?

http://www.elmo.co.jp/product/filmvisual/index_2183.html

Maybe they have had a batch of the ESC lamps made by ushio or the like in Japan?

Kev.

Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on December 15, 2004, 01:48 AM:

Thanks Bill. It's a shame they wouldn't check the box for me. Perhaps I'll take a chance and order a couple.

Posted by John Cook (Member # 203) on December 25, 2004, 12:36 AM:

John,

If you do order please keep us posted. If ELMO ESC lamps are available I'd be interested in ordering a half dozen.

John

Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on December 26, 2004, 11:08 AM:

Lads: just so you know...

I have forwarded the links to my Japanese friend. She promised a very thorough report about what's on the website. Will keep you posted.

JM

Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on December 26, 2004, 07:16 PM:

Thats great Jean, I'm sure it will make interesting reading.

Kev.

Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on January 04, 2005, 06:04 AM:

Here's the latest news from Lady Sakiko:

There's no precision on the site that the lamp being offered for the GS1200 is the original ESC.

They do have a stock of various belts (main, feeder, take-up).

However, it seems that one could only order from Japan.

My friend sent an email inquiring about the lamp and possibilities of ordering from abroad. More as this develops.

JMT

Posted by Mike Peckham (Member # 16) on January 04, 2005, 11:43 AM:

Nice work Jean Marc, keep us posted. It will be interesting to see how much Elmo still supply for their cine equipment and whether or not they are prepared to supply to the rest of the world.

Mike [Cool]

Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on January 05, 2005, 06:25 AM:

Another update:

Elmo have replied to the first email with what my friend describes as "a rather unclear answer".

Apparently, it could be possible to order from Europe, providing the person gets registered on the Elmo site. If we do business with them, we'll sort out technicalities when time comes (Sakiko would certainly help me with that).

Another email has been sent in order to make sure that the lamp is indeed an ESC. As I said previsouly, it would be pointless to buy expensive imported replicas that we could get from Germany, the UK, wherever, for a cheaper price.

I have been to Japan quite a few times and in some cases, business-wise, some people there would rather leave you expecting something and finally let you give-up when you're covered with cobwebs, than simply say "No" as they would "loose face". (It is not honorable to say "No" in Japan).

So, my friends, let's be patient as this might be a long and winding road before we get a firm answer, be it positive or negative.

I'm off to the USA this coming Friday so I won't be able to follow the case, but I will keep you posted when I return on January 25.

JM

Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on January 06, 2005, 02:52 AM:

Confirmation from Elmo last night:
The lamp offered is NOT the ESC, it is indeed imported from Germany.
At least, this was a fast answer. They said they were sending us a catalogue of some sort. Wonder what this is...
More later...

Posted by Mike Peckham (Member # 16) on January 06, 2005, 05:41 AM:

Hmmm... very interesting... a catalogue from Elmo, keep us posted Jean-Marc! [Smile]

Mike

Posted by Ian Curtis (Member # 327) on January 07, 2005, 11:01 PM:

Ok I was looking at that page with the belts, I know what a K110sm is, i have one. I know what a K100sm is I have one of those too. But it also says K120sm, I have never seen one of those, anyone own one, got a pic? can tell me what the difference is? anybody figured out how to order from that page yet? I need some belts!!! and I'd like a k120 is anyone has one....

Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on January 25, 2005, 11:54 AM:

As I feared, Elmo Japan made their last attempt at forcing us to give up with an email asking now to forward questions towards their European website. The site, needless to say, doesn't mention any film projector of any kind AT ALL. I guess you all know it, it's here.
Well, I guess we don't have to regret anything. At least, we got confirmation that the lamp was an import.

Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on January 25, 2005, 05:28 PM:

Yes I had the same response from them myself about 2ys ago over some other parts. Eventually they suggested that I dealt with the USA or German distributors who of course don't want anything to do with the old Elmo film business. [Frown]

Interesting that they never even pointed me to the UK distributor unless AVM Ltd are just distributors for the German company?

Kev.

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