8mm Forum: Splicing tape - the saga continues!

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Posted by David Pannell (Member # 300) on May 24, 2005, 07:15 AM:

I've had a few goes now at using both the Fujica and the C.I.R. splicers, and find it difficult to choose which I prefer at the moment. I've actually made about a dozen splices with each type, and they both run faultlessly through my ST1200 HD. INFINITELY better than the cement jobbies!!

However, whilst both came with a reel of splicing tape, and the C.I.R. has virtually a new roll, the Fuji has all but run out.

I have phoned The Widescreen Centre, Deranns and CHC, all of whom tell me that the pre-punched Fuji rolls of splicing tape have been discontinued and are no longer available. Unpunched rolls of tape, however, abound.

Is this true? [Eek!]

If so, I'm glad I only paid a fiver for the Fujica splicer, and not the other way round.

Does anybody have any other information to the contrary?

Dave.

Posted by Kevin Clark (Member # 211) on May 24, 2005, 08:20 AM:

Hello Dave
You've got two very nice splicers there - availablity of the CIR tape rolls should never be a problem to source as they do not require any special pre-punching machinery to make them, rolls for the Fujica one do appear on Ebay from time to time, most likely amongst a combined lot of other cine kit and equipment. I'll keep an eye out and let you know when / if I see some offered, as I spend far too long trawling the darker depths of Ebay anyway it would be a pleasure to help you in your quest!

Posted by David Pannell (Member # 300) on May 24, 2005, 08:34 AM:

Many thanks, Kevin. I'd be much obliged. I'll keep looking too!

Best,

Dave.

Posted by Rob Koeling (Member # 35) on May 24, 2005, 10:45 AM:

David,

I bought a couple of rolls for the Fujica splicer last month in a little camera shop in Amsterdam. He's got plenty of new stock (and claims to be the cheapest supplier of this tape in Europe; still E9.50 (aprox. £6)). I think you can order online at: www.parallaxe.nl
I'm not sure if he accepts credit cards. If payment is an issue, contact me.

The owner of the shop is Johan Kalee. He is related to the famous British cinema projector manufacturer. An enormous Kalee 35mm projector takes up about half the space of his little shop. He is a nice chap.

- Rob

Posted by David Pannell (Member # 300) on May 24, 2005, 11:16 AM:

WOW Rob!

Just visited his website and placed an order for 10 rolls via e-mail. I asked if he accepts PayPal or credit cards. I am awaiting his reply. If not, how could you help?

We visit Amsterdam quite frequently - well - every year or every other year, as we like it so much and it provides a welcome break without being too far away. Probably won't be going for a while yet, though.

It's very kind of you to make this gesture - like everyone in this Forum - all keen to help - it's great.

I'll keep you posted on any reply I receive.

Cheers,

Dave.

Posted by Craig Hamilton (Member # 258) on May 24, 2005, 02:51 PM:

David, a frequent visitor to Amsterdam. [Wink]

Next time you go, mention my name at the Grasshopper Café, Trixie would be more than willing to show you the true meaning of Super 8. [Big Grin]

Rob, excellent web site.

Craig

Posted by David Pannell (Member # 300) on May 24, 2005, 03:31 PM:

Craig!

CAN'T WAIT!!!! [Embarrassed]

Dave.

Posted by David Pannell (Member # 300) on May 26, 2005, 11:18 AM:

To Kevin C. and Rob, plus anyone else interested.

I have had several communications from Johan Kalee regarding the pre-punched Fujica splicing tape. He has quite a large new stock of the genuine article, and so I have ordred 10 rolls. This is probably far more than I shall ever need, but the fact that other stockists say that it has been discontinued, disappointed me. Therefore I wish to thank Kev for offering to look out for some on eBay, on my behalf, and also Rob for drawing my attention to this little gem of a shop in Amsterdam - gosh - I nearly typed Amstel beer then!! [Big Grin]

Slurp, slurp!! Aahh, aahh!!

I would therefore suggest anyone wishing to continue to use their Fuji splicer to get their tape from 'Sin City'. [Cool]

One final thing. He does not take credit cards nor PayPal. Purchases can only be made by credit transfer direct to his bank (expensive), or cash. I have opted to send cash; concealed, insured and registered, through the mail. I've bought many international items this way for far greater amounts, and never had a problem.

So there you have it!

I can continue to use both my new-found accessories with impunity.

Thanx!

Dave.

Posted by Mike Peckham (Member # 16) on May 26, 2005, 11:26 AM:

I love a happy ending [Smile]

Mike

Posted by David Pannell (Member # 300) on May 26, 2005, 01:56 PM:

There! There! Mike.

I haven't walked off into the sunset - well, not quite yet. However, thanks for aiding the inspiration in encouraging me to look for a C.I.R too.

Still don't know which I prefer. Guess they both have their pros & cons. Anyway, I'll have plenty of opportunity and time to decide now, without the constraint of HAVING to go for one or the other!

BTW Mike, has anyone from the Forum given you a worldwide shopping list yet? [Big Grin]

Best to all,

Dave.

Posted by Mike Peckham (Member # 16) on May 26, 2005, 02:08 PM:

quote:
BTW Mike, has anyone from the Forum given you a worldwide shopping list yet?

Not yet, I'm still figuring out how I can make sure that I have a constant supply of K40 during my trip. I just bought 20 carts from Jessops but don't fancy carrying all those with me right round the world so am thinking about sending 10 of them to a friend in Australia so that I can then send all those I've exposed off to Switzerland and pick up a fresh supply for the next six months!

I'm hoping to check out any interesting shops that have a stock of super 8 gear as I travel around, sadly they seem to be few and far between now but they are out there as Rob has proven with his link to 'Parallaxe' above.

Best

Mike

Posted by David Pannell (Member # 300) on May 27, 2005, 12:10 AM:

Mike,

Might I dare to be first on the list then? [Embarrassed]

If you come across either a Standard 8 or Super 8 sound movie of Old Time American Railroading, I'd be eternally grateful. Preferably of the cowboy era, and/or later, with large or small steam locos, would be perfect. Not a cowboy film with trains, though, but more historic/documentary/nostalgic would be the order of the day. Clearly, the longer the film, the better, but no constraints, you understand!

Well, I can only ask; and you can always say no!

Best,

Dave.

Posted by Tony Milman (Member # 7) on May 27, 2005, 12:38 AM:

Mike

How will you carry all those BOXES [Eek!]

Posted by Rob Koeling (Member # 35) on May 27, 2005, 03:35 AM:

David,

In case you haven't sent the cash yet, I still have a bank account in Holland and can transfer the money for you. That is cheaper and safer.

I've received the Mark-S that I bought on Ebay a month or so ago in the mean time. It was a bit of a shock when I saw the plastic case around the projector, because the Badge was missing.... Luckily the badge on the projector is there in all it's glory! The machine is generally in decent condition. I haven't opened it up yet, but I expect a few pieces missing. I'll look at it in more detail this weekend and maybe we should meet up sometime soon to see if we can create 2 decent machines out of your Mark-S ,my old projector and the 2 spares I have.

- Rob

Posted by David Pannell (Member # 300) on May 27, 2005, 05:31 AM:

Rob,

That's very gracious of you. No, I haven't sent the cash yet, but I have bought the Euros ready to send. What do you suggest?

I don't suppose you want paying in Euros, or do you??

I shall be away on business for the whole of the Bank Holiday, from this afternoon till late on Monday. Perhaps we can communicate then, if that's OK.

With many thanks,

Dave.

Posted by Rob Koeling (Member # 35) on May 27, 2005, 05:50 AM:

David,

I just sent you an email.

- Rob

Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on March 19, 2006, 11:00 AM:

I know, I know, this is an old thread but I have purchased - just today - a brand new, mint in box Fuji Stereo/dual track splicer and... I'm in love. This is a remarkable piece of equipment. It's easy to use and it creates really good splices without covering any of the magnetic sound tracks. It came with three rolls of tape and I've located, on top of the Dam shop mentioned earlier in this thread, other sources. Wittner have some and there's a place in L.A.
My trusty CIR splicers might be soon retiring.

Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on March 19, 2006, 11:41 AM:

David - or anyone - going to Amsterdam might like to visit the shop selling Super 8 films whilst there. They have unusual releases, such as obscure films on 3 x 400' with English sound but Dutch subtitles. It's years since I was last year, but I found the address on the Parallaxe site:
De Filmcorner
v.d. Kleuts Handelsbureau
Marnixstraat 263
1015 WJ Amsterdam

Be warned that you are liable to also see some rather graphic 'adult' material on the shelves, whilst browsing.

Posted by Jan Bister (Member # 332) on March 21, 2006, 07:01 PM:

If one of those CIR splicers ends up being for sale, I'm interested. [Big Grin]

That, or if you can possibly find any Wurker 'duo-play' tapes for use with my splicer, that would be superb.... prefer 4-frame but would take 2-frame as well.... I still have some left but you always run out at the worst possible moment (right?) [Smile]

Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on March 22, 2006, 01:54 AM:

OK, Jan, you'll be the first to know. I have a near new plastic version, almost mint in box and a metal one, complete with another unit for spare parts.
If you want to make an offer, use email or private messages.
Remember that the plastic version, new from Derann costs around 150 bucks. I won't sell it for that price but I won't let it go for peanuts. [Wink]

Posted by Tony Milman (Member # 7) on March 22, 2006, 02:09 PM:

Jan,

It's OK just offer him Brazils.......

or Hazelnuts.......

or go the whole hog and offer a bag of mixed nuts.... [Big Grin]

Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on March 22, 2006, 02:30 PM:

The equivalent of my own weight in Cadbury chocolate with hazelnuts would do...

Milman, go wash your mouth with WD40 [Razz]

Posted by Craig Hamilton (Member # 258) on March 22, 2006, 02:33 PM:

Jean-Mark, thats a lot of Chocolate. [Big Grin]

Craig

Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on March 22, 2006, 02:53 PM:

Jan, I have managed to get Wurker patches from Foster Films and also Classic both 2 and 4 patch duo's [Smile]

Kev.

Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on March 22, 2006, 08:00 PM:

On the subject of splicing tape, does anyone know if STD 8 tape fpr CIR type splicers is still made? I know the place in Dean Street is producing new tape for the 16mm and Super 8 CIR splicers, but I don't think they make it for Std 8 versions. I managed to get a couple of rolls from Derann, but it was very old stock that was close to being past it.

Posted by Jan Bister (Member # 332) on March 22, 2006, 11:14 PM:

Kevin,

I must be blind 'cause I didn't know Paul Foster had those Wurker splices available!! Or maybe he didn't when I thought to check his website, but did before/after that. Thanks though [Smile]

Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on March 23, 2006, 02:08 AM:

quote:
Jean-Mark, thats a lot of Chocolate.

Craig

Yup, even though I have lost 40 pounds since last year...

Adrian, I had the same problem, so now for one splice in std 8, I take about 2 to 3 inches of 16 mm tape, I stick it on a piece of clean glass, reduce it to the std 8mm tape width with a ruler and an Xacto, lift it off the glass and then use it in the CIR splicer. I admit that it's not the easiest way to go but it works.

Does anybody know why the tape used in the CIR std 8 splicer is wider than the super 8 version?

Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on March 23, 2006, 06:10 AM:

Jean-Marc,
Thanks for the tip, but I hope I don't have to do that!
I think the reason the Std 8 tape is wider is that a Std 8 splice on the frame line, one frame from the cut, might not be big enough to be completely secure and, more importantly, would probably not achieve a clean 'punch' as the edge of the tape would overlap the sprocket hole. E.g. with 16mm CIR splices, the tape can exactly fit 2 frames, but most people position it slightly off-centre to avoid the edge being over a sprocket hole.

Regarding Wurker splices, Classic Home Cinema stock the 4 frame type. Don't know if they stock the 2 frame type. (I cut my 4 frame ones in half to save money!)

Posted by David Roberts (Member # 197) on April 17, 2006, 11:22 AM:

Isnt it the same tape,since the splicer punches the holes? I would have thought super and standard 8 cir tape is the same.

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on April 17, 2006, 12:08 PM:

I have been using the Fuji Splicers for almost 8 years now. The best I have used! You can also buy them from Steve Osborne at the Reel Image here in the states. He has the tapes as well.

Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on April 17, 2006, 05:30 PM:

No, the Std 8 tape is wider than the Super 8 tape. The key thing is that the Std 8 punches cut through 3 sprocket holes and the Super 8 punches go through 2. The Super 8 tape could be used on a Std 8 splicer, but as the edge would go over the sprocket holes, the result may not be very good.

Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on April 18, 2006, 05:19 PM:

Jan, I have certainly bought those patches from paul in the past. He didnt have them listed on his site but I asked and he had them. My last lot came from Classic and they were the 2 patch stereo type which I am currently using.
I think Wittners in germany also sell them.

I too have a Fuji splicer which I also love so to get a couple of rolls for that would be good.

Rob, when are you going home again?

Kev.

[ April 19, 2006, 11:33 AM: Message edited by: Kevin Faulkner ]

Posted by Rob Koeling (Member # 35) on April 19, 2006, 06:45 AM:

In about two weeks, Kev. I think I'll be able to spend a few hours in Amsterdam. I'm taking orders now....

- Rob

Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on April 19, 2006, 11:34 AM:

Good man [Smile]

You will probably clear his stock at this rate [Big Grin]

Kev.

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