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Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on October 20, 2005, 03:11 PM:
Altough,(sad to say) i am not one of the lucky few to have got a copy of the latest release from Derann i was just thinking these thoughts,
1/ M&C is a great title to release, bang up to date, scope and stereo. With its running time of 2hours plus it does make it a little expensive and out of reach for many. I almost made it but unforseen circumstances in work put paid to that. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
2/ Hoping the release is a good succsess,(hopfully in time someone could update us on that),i wonder if its possible to get a release of a feature with a RT that be equivilant to 3 x 600ft. Titles like Tim Burtons nightmare before Xmas,I suppose it may sound daft but with a thought on what is or would be possible and perhaps some ideas from collectors, not just on this forum, but through some kind of questionair through the Derann news letter, maybe the shorter running time would result in a cheaper release due the the obvious and therefore within the reach of more collectors. Clearly it may take some thinking through but shorter running time films are out there.
Maybe even a collaberation with Derann and someone else? CHC.
Is that a nutty idea or perhaps not? ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Posted by Jan Bister (Member # 332) on October 20, 2005, 06:56 PM:
I think that's a brilliant idea. Nothing like a cartoon or short comedy followed by a 90-minute feature. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on October 21, 2005, 09:56 AM:
£350 is cheaper than Master and Commander really should be. £400 is nearer the mark nowadays for a film of its length.
Another feature in the near future is not likely but possible after a while. However, it will have to be another special film to stand a chance of being worthwhile on Super 8 and there aren't really many films made any longer that make the grade. Sadly, I can only think of one since Gladiator (M&C) and that's just been released.
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on October 21, 2005, 10:57 AM:
I agree on more titles coming forth, but what I'd really like to see is someone that will be willing to start up a small super 8 company in america. With so many 35mm masters of so many titles out there, (many no doubt public domain) there could be a rich selection of releases.
But then, it would take someone with enough cash to blow, (quite frankly) just to get it started. I mean, the film labs still exist of course, and it would do great business from overseas customers, as they (U.K. especially) would be able to get great deals, with the devalued dollar and all.
Though it would seem like a pipe dream, it is possible.
Posted by Chip Gelmini (Member # 44) on October 21, 2005, 11:54 AM:
It can only be special films to be done on super 8.
BARAKA
BARAKA
BARAKA
BARAKA
One of the very last films to be shot in true conventional 70MM with 35MM release prints to regular theaters. A film by Ron Fricke (who did the photography of volcano sequence in Star Wars Revenge of the Sith). You can find listings for Baraka on IMDB.com as well a general search in google.com (Baraka Movie).
If on super 8, it would have to be scope/stereo or it wouldn't be justified on the smaller format.
I know I'm not the only one here with this thought.
CG
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on October 21, 2005, 01:02 PM:
Agree on the £350 being cheap for the M&C, considering the price of other films of the same length it has been released and priced very well.
The shorter length was just a thought on perhaps being within the reach of other collectors.
Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on October 21, 2005, 01:10 PM:
I haven't seen it yet, but as it seems the new Wallace and Grommit film will be a massive hit in the US and UK, as well as being acclaimed as one of the all-time animated classics, I would think that at 85 mins, it might fit the bill in terms of the length that Tom's referring to. In a previous thread, there was quite a lot of demand for one of their shorter films on S8.
Adrian
Posted by Barry Johnson (Member # 84) on October 21, 2005, 01:19 PM:
Wouldnt mind betting that the support "MADAGASCAR PENGUINS CHRISTMAS CAPER" will appear fairly quickly.
Posted by Michael De Angelis (Member # 91) on October 21, 2005, 10:21 PM:
I had always had hope that some of the Columbia and Paramount Full Length features would become available.
I was also told by a former super 8 collector that Some of the Thuderbird prints of Our Town, and I believe Foriegn Correspondent, had excellent quality.
I have always loved the fictional baseball story based on fact:
A Leauge of Their Own. It's set in the 40's, during WWII. Good Comedy,
Great Cast and acting: Tom Hanks, Gina Davis.
It has a teriffic sound track too.
The original Matrix, and Chicago the Musical would be good too.
Don't forget: Godfather Parts one and two.
Michael
By the way, has Young Frankenstien ever been released on Super 8?
I understand CHC, had some info? What was the quality?
Posted by Chris Quinn (Member # 129) on October 22, 2005, 12:39 AM:
Thought i would put my two pennith in here, I personally think that any new release on super 8 would have to be a film that appeals to the vast majority, it has to be relatively short to make affordable as well.
I don't think that it would be a bad idea if it was at all possible, to make a release of the new Wallace & Gromit film, "Curse Of The Were Rabbit" surly this would be a very successful super 8 print, possible even more so than M & C, even Wives loves this film, kid's too apparently, where M & C is after all a blokey type film.
Chris.
Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on October 22, 2005, 08:08 AM:
The Incredibles would be a little long by Tom's standards, but it's an awesome movie.
I like the W&G idea a lot, but I recall Duncan wrote about two years ago that Derann doesn't have a relationship with that studio. In this case, I'd be happy to be wrong: I'd love to see anything Wallace and Gromit on my screen.
Posted by Chris Quinn (Member # 129) on October 22, 2005, 12:26 PM:
Steve,
The problem was the BBC who have distributing rights over the shorts, unlike the film which is distributed by Dreamworks a different matter, and a 35mm print could be an easier mission to get hold off. I have been talking to a few collectors today at the BFCC about this, and there is definitely a lot of interest in this film, many collectors said they would seriously consider having a copy. I really do see this as a big seller and i have not even seen the film myself yet, but have heard it's CRACKING.
Chris.
Posted by Jan Bister (Member # 332) on October 22, 2005, 12:27 PM:
I agree with Steve, there. W&C on super-8 would just be grand.
Young Frankenstein was indeed released on super-8 by Piccolo Films in Germany as a 400ft. digest - a very well edited one, at that, and with great image quality and sharpness too. However, I'm not aware of any full-length prints of the movie, or any English-language ones at that.
Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on October 22, 2005, 02:51 PM:
Fine by me!
I'm going to see "The Curse of the Were-Rabbit" tomorrow, I'll let you know.
Something that really stymies the ability of people across the various ponds to invest in a feature is Derann's withdrawal of "Six Months No Interest" for overseas customers. While I certainly understand and respect their reasoning (apparently they were ripped off by someone taking a bunch of merchandise and then stopping payment), forking over that kind of cash in one lump is a really hard sell with respect to the family budget.
Posted by Jan Bister (Member # 332) on October 22, 2005, 06:38 PM:
Indeed, I ran into that exact situation once with Derann when wanting to purchase Fearless Vampire Killers which was then being offered on sale. One can always use a credit card and make payments on the balance instead of to Derann, of course, but it would be nice not to have to pay any interest on the balance owed. That said, I don't blame them for the decision they made.
(Never did buy the film, though, and must admit now I'm glad as money is just so darned tight lately.)
Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on October 22, 2005, 08:05 PM:
Yes,
Somehow 6 payments of $50 stings a lot less than one of $300!
Theoretically you could stash away a little every month and accomplish the same thing, but if all you have is $150 and Derann throws the film you want on sale, you either miss the opportunity or blow the budget!
Posted by Jan Bister (Member # 332) on October 22, 2005, 10:29 PM:
You see the dilemma.
Of course, if something like Baraka ever comes along on super-8, I will GLADLY throw myself into debt to score a print of it!!! Chip introduced me to that film a while ago and I rented and watched the DVD of it. It's absolutely breathtaking and my 19" PC monitor, although of excellent image quality, does not do this film justice. It MUST be seen on a big scope screen.
Posted by Michael De Angelis (Member # 91) on October 22, 2005, 10:54 PM:
These titles sound great.
I would still appreciate a 3D Stooge short: Spooks, on Low fade stock.
Michael
Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on October 23, 2005, 04:30 PM:
The Were-Rabbit was excellent!
Absolutely belongs on the big screen!
Posted by Tim Drage (Member # 285) on October 23, 2005, 04:55 PM:
The Incredibles on super-8 would be superb. The retro style of it seems really apt for super-8, maybe someone from Pixar could be persuaded to do a suitably 60s-futuristic style box design for it!
Along the lines of Baraka, Koyanisquatzi (sp?!?) would be a great release!!
Most of the films I'd like to see released would probably be too obscure to be commercially viable! - Tetsuo, Zulawski's 'Possession', The Wizard of Speed and Time (Feature or short... the short would be more feasible as a release and really should happen!!!!) ... any of Jodorowsky's films... Holy Mountain especially (tho considering the trouble he's had getting them on video....) ... Eraserhead... any Wong Kar Wai film; Chris Doyle's cinematography is too beautiful for mere video!
I could go on and on but why bother! Even if they were released I probably couldn't afford to buy!
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on October 23, 2005, 09:37 PM:
I would prefer to have "Saving Private Ryan" since every scene is beautiful and we can only watch part by part without loosing the main story.
I also notice that none of Steven Spielberg's 1990s films were released in this format, any reasons behind this? or I have missed one
Bye
Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on October 23, 2005, 11:13 PM:
the storming of Normandy...from when they are on the boat until the action ends..the first 20 minutes of Saving Private Ryan would be great to put out on Scope and then attach it to the battle scene in Pearl Harbor also out by
Derann. That would be great!
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on October 24, 2005, 03:17 AM:
Saving Private Ryan was a 1.85 "flat" film, not scope.
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on October 24, 2005, 11:03 AM:
Winbert,
Jurassic Park (1993) is the only Spielberg film that I know of from the 90's to be available in 8mm.
Doug
Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on October 27, 2005, 10:32 PM:
I'm seconding Barry,
The Madagascar Penguins in a Christmas Caper would be a great S8 Short!
Beautiful, Frantic, Hysterical!
Works seperately from "Madagascar" much the same way "Gone Nutty" works seperately from "Ice Age".
Oh, well! Maybe Christmas 2006!
Posted by Mark Norton (Member # 165) on October 29, 2005, 02:34 PM:
Yes I agree Madagascar Penguins in a Christmas Caper would be a good release I recon it to be about 20 mins, so a full 400ft. £60?
What about a full length release of Gladiator? Derann have obviously got the master material, anybody else interested?
Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on October 29, 2005, 02:49 PM:
IMDB 'sez Penguins is 11 minutes, just a hair too much for a 200 footer.
Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on October 29, 2005, 03:34 PM:
Not too much if on Polyester stock!
For me the next release has to be the latest W&G feature.
Kev.
Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on October 29, 2005, 03:47 PM:
Interesting,
I have a 3 year old print of Derann's "Sounds of Arizona" which is supposed to be 10 minutes, and it's full to the brim! Isn't this polyester?
Good film too! Rerminds me of many good times I had in Tucson about ten years ago!
It did wind up costing me, though. I didn't know it was 'scope when I ordered it (the old website omitted this fact). They offered to take it back, but I kept it, and of course it eventually cost me a 'scope lens and a whole bunch of other films too...
Posted by James N. Savage 3 (Member # 83) on October 29, 2005, 05:52 PM:
I hate to say it, but I'm getting more and more fond of extracts, rather than features. Ever since Derann's release of "the Chase" from Terminator 2, I've been bitten by the extract bug.
The reasons are numerous- probably first and foremost is price. Second is available time to watch film. And third is repeatability.
I have often wondered if Derann would release more extracts of films that they currently sell in full length. Like a scene from Independence Day, The Abyss, or Die Hard would be nice.
I do still enjoy watching super 8 features though. But with that high exchange rate from U.S. to British right now, I have to stick with shorter items.
Nick.
Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on October 30, 2005, 07:20 AM:
Just reading through the thread and the trend seems generally for shorter subjects, but don't forget full length films like "Ice Age" are currently available on 8.
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on October 30, 2005, 08:23 AM:
Exactly, whn you think about it the 8mm scene is a whole lot healthier than many people could have ever predicted, especially with the full length films recently, as many have said, the extract is within the reach of more people and like me, i do enjoy sitting down and seeing many short films.
Posted by Colin Robert Hunt (Member # 433) on October 31, 2005, 12:38 PM:
M & C might be a good price but still way out of my buget. I would be frightened of running the print for fear of putting a scratch throught it. A mate of mine who used to be a projectionist in the West End a through years back managed to put a line scratch through a 70mm print of Star Trek 3 cost alot more than £350 to replace. On the question of current extracts like Matix etx., I would not buy them or even bother to see them at the cinema and most of these new extracts apart from M&C and the Gladiator extracts are the only ones I would see on film. Anybody else agree.
Posted by James N. Savage 3 (Member # 83) on November 01, 2005, 07:00 AM:
Hi Colin-
I wasn't sure what you were saying in your statement. Are you saying you wouldn't want to buy or see extracts of the films, or were you just refering to full length film?
Nick.
Posted by Colin Robert Hunt (Member # 433) on November 01, 2005, 11:31 AM:
Having read my post back its not that clear. Let me try and explain better.
M & C is agood price for a feature and I hope that the collectors who wish to buy features at that price who can afford then greatand great for Derann. I cannot justify buying films at that price and will stick with the DVD on this.
The current trend of Derann film releases like the Matrix extracts and that type of film again great if Derann are selling to customers. I do not like this type of film and would not go to the cinema to see them. Films like the Gladiator extracts are more my personal choice. I got fed up with extracts like the pod race from Star Wars after a few screenings. Dont get me wrong I enjoyed the showings at Ealing but 1 screening of these extracts was enough. Are there any members who back up this comment? I was just interested to hear if I was the only one.
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on November 01, 2005, 11:49 AM:
I do understand what you say ther, i do enjoy a feature but also very much enjoy a good extract, I prefer the large sequence shorts like the Matrix and Gldiator rather than a short that tries to condense a whole feature,
Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on November 01, 2005, 02:03 PM:
I see what you're saying Colin. I too don't care for the Matrix films. In general I don't get on with cgi so you can imagine how such films get on my nerves. Having said that there are exceptions and I can see why others would enthuse over the Matrix films. The Freeway extract possibly has the best stereo sound I've ever heard on a package movie and the print quality is very good too. Altogether it makes for a very good purchase. I hope it sells well.
I can understand many not being able to justify a new feature purchase. However, look back to the hey day of Super 8 and compare prices in the late 70's early 80's to now. In real terms Super 8 is cheaper than it has ever been. To me £350 for a feature of the quality and running time of Master and Commander is a bargain. Perhaps Derann should offer reel 1 as an extract. I'd get one despite having the feature.
DVD is cheap to the point of ridiculous. That Super 8 is surviving against such pressure is amazing. I used to think laser disc was cheap but DVD is just throwaway money. I once spent £65 on a single title on laser disc and didn't think it was that expensive. Now the same thing can be had for less than a fiver on DVD. How times have changed. But it doesn't affect the way I look at Super 8 prices - Super 8 is unique and we're lucky to still have it. Long may it continue.
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on November 02, 2005, 10:05 AM:
I agree John, though to the rest of the world we look like rediculous chumps. There really is a magic to that flickering image. I've tried to put it into words, and, as a writer, that should come easy, but it doesn't.
Perhaps, it's just a return to a simpler day, (is "simpler" a word? not quite sure), when you would be awestruck, watching with fevered imagination those actors going at it on the screen.
The film medium incorporates so many pieces in order to function, (writing, directing, lighting, ect.0 to make a most wonderful play come forth, and while you can see that on your 27 inch TV, (or my 200ft. projection TV) but there is that love of examining those indiviual images and them all together that is purely,
well ....
it's magic!
oh, and by the way, IT'S UNANIMOUS!!! THE WALLACE AND GROMMIT feature is the pick. Has anybody possibly thought of petitioning Derrann just to let them know just how serious of a pick this would be for them? Just how profitable this release would be? I think it's a good idea!!
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on November 02, 2005, 11:42 AM:
John, your certainly ight on the prices today for super being cheaper than ever before, any one who has old movie maker mags can flick through the pages and see that. Walton 8reel feature, (4x400) were £144 in the 70's. DVD is just a cheap,(but excellent) means of lots of people being able to watch a film at home. I suspect there is a very small minority who have the full works, the big scree, the mini cinema etc. Most people still just bung it on the telly in the evening and thats it.
Posted by Michael De Angelis (Member # 91) on November 05, 2005, 04:00 PM:
Is the feature: You Only Live Twice, still in the works?
I wonder if it is the same material used several years ago,and if it will have
english titles?
Michael
Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on November 07, 2005, 02:51 AM:
I am still not convinced that realeasing a feature is the way to go (even if "Curse of the Were-Rabbit" is the best film I've seen this year). Not all collectors can afford it. I guess I could but I personnaly don't feel like buying a full length film on S8, unless it's a second hand bargain. I'd rather buy several short subjects, extracts or cut-downs.
Let's do an honest count here, how many of you bought M&C?
Talked to CHC's Phil Sheard at the last BFCC. New prints sales were below expectation, even the short subjects (the two James Bond openers). "You Only Live Twice" is not being considered at the moment.
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on November 07, 2005, 05:03 AM:
Jean,
I just posted about the strange phenomenon of people in buying new prints under the other topic, i.e "Willoughby Peerless". Please clik here .
Even people who live in developed country are now reluctant to purchase new prints, while long time ago people bought 400" for US$ 44 or US$ 180 more for a full length (which today, as a result of inflation, the value of those amount of money could have doubled).
I believe the purchasing power of today's people is stronger than before. On the other hand, the needs for watching the movie at home has never decreased. So is the fact behind this that people are spending their money to other forms of entairtainment or what??? ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
confusing...but keep cheers,
Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on November 07, 2005, 05:50 AM:
Winbert,
Yes, I followed the Willoughby post with great interest. As a teenager in the late 70s, I was already buying films. At the time, I was only able to afford one, maybe two 400ft per year.
But, at the time, this was also THE ONLY WAY to watch films at home.
The general public didn't have any other choice.
Early 80s VCRs were worth a fortune and films on VHS were in the 200-400 USD price range if you wanted to buy one (hence the success of video rental).
We are collectors, ie - a bunch of zany guys playing cinema at home. In essence, we are turned towards things of the past. The general public don't give a $#%@ about super 8. They want movies available as fast as possible after the theatrical release, on a cheap, easy to use format/support.
I'm proud of my collection and I dearly value the fact of being able to share this passion with so many great people on this forum. But, let's face it, we're a minority. Indeed, we are buying new prints, but this is no real market...
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on November 07, 2005, 02:45 PM:
All very true Jean, super 8 is only being kept going because those dealers who still produce the new releases are themselves film collectors, Derann of course was all down to Dereck and, as i understand it, he wanted the buisness to go on for as long as the collector still buys. No one would seriously go into super 8 to make a living anymore.
The DVD market is as rife as the vinyl records were in the 60's and 70's, cheap, good quality but in my mind, no challange, and every 1s got one. Film always fasinates my mates, they chuckle as first, especialy when i 1st switch on but when the image lights up on the screen there always very silent. Kids are always taken back. We are the steam enthusiasts of the movie world, & there aint nothing wrong with that.
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on November 07, 2005, 03:28 PM:
Much agreed! There is a rapt attention to film. Perhaps there is a subconscious nod to earlier times and a knowledge that this is passing away. I dare say that when moview theatres one day switch to a digital video instead of film, we (and 16mm, 35mm collectors) will be the only ones to observe this proud heritage!
I'm the same way about my love for the CBS radio Mystery Theater, all 1400 episodes. I used to lie under the covers letting the crap be scared out of me as a kid, and I still love to fall asleep to those old radio shows, pining for those simpler days.
Though unrealistic to the changes in medium used for entertainment, I will still covet my film collection. Let the world get faster around me! I'll still click on that beautiful image, reel by reel, sitting back with popcorn and sweetie, (who happens to love super 8) hand in hand and just watch the story unfold before my eyes once again!
Aaaaaaah super 8 bliss!!
Posted by Michael De Angelis (Member # 91) on November 08, 2005, 09:37 PM:
Too bad regarding You Only Live Twice. Hopefully with a better economic situation, this may turn around.
Classic Connery would be wonderful. Especially with today's technology in producing wonderful prints.
Thank goodness for this Forum. Otherwise it would be bleak to know what's happening with this specialized interest of ours.
Michael
Posted by Mark Norton (Member # 165) on November 09, 2005, 02:36 PM:
Real shame about You only Live Twice not being considered. I can't understand why the other two Bond Pre- credit sequences have not sold well, they are a complete mini story in themselves, not expensive, great scope quality and in my mind the classic red view through the gun barrel repeating accross the sreen to the Bond theme is the business.
Posted by James N. Savage 3 (Member # 83) on November 09, 2005, 04:10 PM:
Osi- Thank you for that very "poetic" entry, which I think pretty much defines the super 8 collector. Very well said ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
.
Nick.
Posted by Michael De Angelis (Member # 91) on November 12, 2005, 10:11 PM:
If a Christmas themed feature was available in full length, would that encourage more collectors to take the plunge?
How about The Polar Express? Tim Allen in: The Santa Clause? A full length release of Albert Finney's: Scrooge- In Scope???
Will Ferrell in Elf?
Paramounts White Christmas?? The original Technicolor was breathtakingly Gorgeous!
Just think, Christmas with a film to show, and everyones happy!
Just running The Bohemian Girl, and when the scene gets to the snow, everyone makes the connection that it could be a Christmas event.
With this in mind, any film with snow could also be a good tie-in during the holidays. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Well Ok, if not a feature, than how about those Madagascar Penguins!?!?!?
Michael
Posted by Jan Bister (Member # 332) on November 12, 2005, 10:23 PM:
Or how about that feature March of the Penguins? It's supposed to be such a good film, though I haven't heard much of anything about it other than it's some kind of surprise hit. But if it's as good as they say....
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