This is topic Star Wars in forum 8mm Forum at 8mm Forum.
To visit this topic, use this URL:
Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on August 26, 2007, 06:02 PM:
Well a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away, "30 years" the face of Super8 collecting changed thanks to "Star Wars" here is a reflection of those long ago days.
This is not the original box on release, which came out as a carboard box sadly I no longer have it, which I preferred
The much awaited second part.
I think this was the first Empire extract came out before the second part of "Star Wars" was released.
and finally the second part to Empire, the final reel to be released, "to my knowledge" it was all a long time ago, so you are welcome to correct me if some of this is wrong. Its been a while since I watched the Super8 versions which are all joined onto one large home made reel, sadly I remember that some of the reels suffered from fade, such is the passage of time.
Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on August 27, 2007, 03:41 AM:
Larger version here.
Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on August 27, 2007, 05:06 PM:
Very interesting comparisons between the different boxes.
Regarding "Marketing films" on the first release has the colour lasted well compared to Kens.
Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on August 28, 2007, 01:20 AM:
Graham: I have a Marketing set with stunning colours.
Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on August 28, 2007, 05:49 AM:
Interesting images Graham. Nice to know someone still has those nice boxes. I also have the scope feature, scope 400 and others. Its endless !
Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on August 28, 2007, 07:23 AM:
Lee, the problem with the SW scope feature from Derann is that the front cover visual is from Return of the Jedi, not from A New Hope...
Well... It's not a problem per se but it's rather odd.
Posted by Andreas Eggeling (Member # 105) on August 28, 2007, 07:24 AM:
[ August 07, 2008, 09:06 AM: Message edited by: Andreas Eggeling ]
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on August 28, 2007, 11:47 AM:
Could anyone do a screen shot of thier AGFA german release STAR WARS prints? I would love to see the look of that print.
Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on August 29, 2007, 04:40 AM:
The original Derann box is a bit of an odd choice.
Only thing to do is make your own cover!
Designed to wrap around the spine of a 4x600ft feature box
Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on August 29, 2007, 06:40 AM:
Love your box Rob.
Here is the box for the 400ft reel Scope issue with the Cinemascope sticker.
Must be loosing the plot here as last weekend I purchased a Vader costume for my Star War screenings.
Dear oh dear......
Will it ever end?
[ September 19, 2011, 12:21 PM: Message edited by: Lee Mannering ]
Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on August 29, 2007, 06:55 AM:
Lee: it will never end!
I regularly appear dressed as Vader for charity work with fellow members of the Imperial 501st. We collect toys and books from Star Wars licensees that we later give to hospitalized kids when we visit them. I have also Imperial officer uniforms (Grand Moff and Grand Admiral).
Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on August 30, 2007, 04:13 AM:
Rob, email the full quality version of your box cover pleeeeeze! Looks bl00dy great!
Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on August 30, 2007, 07:33 AM:
Outstanding job on your own artwork and a treat for my own feature print.
Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on August 30, 2007, 02:24 PM:
John, sent it to your bfcc email as I'm not sure if the one I have for you is still valid.
Lee, glad you like it!
Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on August 31, 2007, 01:37 AM:
Darn it! It hasn't come through yet. This email lark is getting as bad as the Royal Mail. Perhaps email's on strike now!
Luke... sorry, John.
Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on September 02, 2007, 03:50 AM:
John, has it has arrived?
email me an another address if you like (is the one from a couple of years ago still valid?)
Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on September 02, 2007, 02:54 PM:
If you also collect "Star Wars" on 35mm, you may be interested to know that both the teaser trl, the short one with Alec Guinness in it, and the later longer version of "Revenge of the Sith" can be easily joined together by simply cutting the end credits of the teaser and the opening introduction to the longer one. I tried it out last year and it worked out very well, there does not appear to be any doubling of scenes, it flows nicely, I call this one my Super Duper "Star Wars" trl.
Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on September 03, 2007, 03:23 AM:
Try john.clancy at bfcc.biz Rob. That should do the trick as it always forwards to my valid address.
Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on September 04, 2007, 02:35 AM:
Can't think of a better way to remember "Star Wars" on Super8 than the front cover of this marvellous "Films to Buy and Hire" addition that came with the "Film Making" magazine May 1978, reading back over the posts, its a pity Marketing films did not do the English version as well, although to be fair to Ken Films who would have thought back then, that 30 years on people would still be enjoying and projecting Super8 films.
Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on September 15, 2007, 03:32 AM:
A question to our agents in Germany:
Was 'Empire' part two released in Germany first?
The US box feels like a graphic adaptation of the UFA packaging.
To UK members:
Is there any graphics for the box of Derann's release of Return of the Jedi?
Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on August 08, 2011, 06:03 PM:
Its nice to see that Darth Vader and "Star Wars" has lost none of its appeal with the young of today.
My son came round last week and we watched it, the first time scince he broke his wrist after falling of the bar stool back in the 90s, changing reels on a 16mm Scope print...we never did watch the end. That old projection box had to go as the projector was to high up...anyway we did watch it last week on the VP on DVD....much safer although he did fall asleep near the end ...a long working day.
from the 90s..the old projection box..the B/H 16mm is way to high to safely reach.
this neat photo was taken last Christmas by the local paper...incidentally everthing you see, the bridge and buildings were all badly damaged in the February quake and is an area still of limits to the public.
Posted by Adam Deierling (Member # 2307) on August 08, 2011, 06:56 PM:
Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the feature? Would love to add that to my collection. Already have Jedi and love it!
Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on August 08, 2011, 07:33 PM:
Is that you as Darth?
Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on August 08, 2011, 08:00 PM:
No Pat although I think its great that people get the stuff and entertain the kids with it. I dont think my wife would let me buy into it.
Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on September 14, 2011, 07:58 PM:
Well what a surprise went out shopping with my better half and came across "Star Wars" on Blu-ray. Three boxed sets were available. The original trilogy of "A New Hope" "The Empire Strikes Back" and "Return Of The Jedi". The Prequel Trilogy or you can buy the box set that has all six films plus 40 hours of extras.
Well my better half said "NO" to that last one, but gave me the OK for the original. I should add that those films are the 90s re-mastered versions. I would have liked the original 1977 without the extra scenes, however it does look good.
PS. I still like my Super8 and 16mm copies though.
This particular scene brought back memories, on the left side of the picture it looks like some sort of vent on the wall....well after spending many years in aviation a long long time ago and many a night shift working on the Rolls Royce Dart engine, that part is the elbow "seven of" between the compressor housing and combustion chambers it has two swing links "removed" and held on with five nuts.
How is that eh!
back to Super8 though I ran my Super duper Star Wars reel this afternoon all four 8mm extracts joined and edited by yours truly long ago. Its been a while since I last watched it...not bad, so if you dont want to watch the full features of Empire and Hope just join them onto one big reel, it works well.
Super 8 screen shots.
[ September 15, 2011, 01:29 AM: Message edited by: Graham Ritchie ]
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on September 15, 2011, 12:46 PM:
ThanX 4 those shots from the Super 8 version. That shot of Luke there has the same look of color as my copy, but sadly, that scene in the asteroid field still looks very brownish.
Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on September 16, 2011, 01:59 PM:
For those who cant afford the full features with, a little bit of creative editing joining all four digests up can give you a bit of Star Wars fun.
you will need to make some reels though with a one and a quarter inch centre.
Posted by John Skujins (Member # 1515) on September 16, 2011, 03:49 PM:
Nice color shots from Empire, Graham! I'm also lucky enough to have both parts of ESB with nice color. Some shots from my Part 2 are on this page:
I would love to see some shots of Star Wars Part 2 with nice color if anyone has?
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on September 17, 2011, 01:34 PM:
I've noticed that the part 2 has tended to hold it's color quite well.
Still, I'm waiting for some (PLEASE?!) to put up some screenshots from part 1 during the asteroid sequence, as though I have terrific color on the rest of that part 1, that one sequence is awful broun and I's love to see if any copies actually had no fade to that part.
Posted by Patrick Walsh (Member # 637) on September 17, 2011, 09:34 PM:
Ahhh STARWARS, Love em (untouched versions)
My cinema opened it's theatrette in 1983 with RETURN OF THE JEDI to packed houses so much that the former owner of the theatre said that he ran another session 20 minutes later in the other theatre ( both theatres running 20 minute changeovers with carbons)and as the 1st sessions changeovers where done he took the reels next door and they got ran again!
Recently watched my SW and ESB digests, great fun, would of been a sight to see in the 70s!
Posted by John Skujins (Member # 1515) on September 17, 2011, 09:45 PM:
I took these pics of my ESB Part 1 tonight. The last three are during the asteroid scene. The first two are for color reference.
Posted by Greg Marshall (Member # 1268) on September 18, 2011, 12:04 AM:
Looking for the original 'Star Wars', still. Bargainn price would be great, but know that price will dictate the sale. Let me know if you need to move yours on to another collector who will take great care of the print.
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on September 18, 2011, 09:25 AM:
Well John ...
That certainly answers my question as to whether that asteroid sequence was just a faulty negative source or not! John, could you look at your perforations and tell me what film stock that is, as that will help my search immensely.
Once again, thanX 4 the screenshots. The strange thing is that while the earlier shots in the reel have absolutely spot on color, (facial tones and all) it's that last three or so minutes of part 1 that suffer terribly.
Therefore, a question for anybody who might know. Though all versions of this digest worldwide were the same edit (2X400ft and a rarely seen 200ft), could the source negative that went out worldwide have been on different film stocks which may answer why this last sequence is so lacking in color on most digests, but are obviously spot on in John's digest, for instance?
Posted by Claus Harding (Member # 702) on September 18, 2011, 11:43 AM:
Now that's what I call "ultimate Star Wars trivia"....
To recognize the pipe on the wall...wonderful.
Posted by Bill Brandenstein (Member # 892) on September 18, 2011, 03:28 PM:
Graham, when the time comes, you could retire comfortably just by manufacturing more of those amazing reels and selling them to us.
Posted by John Skujins (Member # 1515) on September 18, 2011, 04:15 PM:
Osi, there are no letters near the perfs on my ESB Part 1, but the following info is on the leader:
Maritz Lab "Empire Strikes Back" Rev.
Dec 23, 1982 FCL69855 Part 1 "The Empire Strikes Back" Ken Films, INC. HEAD
Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on September 19, 2011, 12:43 AM:
Bill I was given a pile of old Japanese Karaoke Laser Discs they are just about the same diameter as the Elmo 1200ft reels and nice and flat to ...so all is needed is a centre and a hole saw food for thought.
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on September 19, 2011, 10:26 AM:
That could mean that your print could be a LPP print, as LPP had just come out within a year of that time , I believe.
Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on September 19, 2011, 12:26 PM:
Nice to read all these SW postings, but I do wonder what people make of the new Blu-Ray quality? Like many the old 8mm boxes/films do hold a great deal of magic and I kinda like the various cut down reels un-touched when projected.
Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on September 19, 2011, 12:45 PM:
Dec '82 is supposedly the last batch from Ken's so, indeed, it could be low fade stock.
Lee, I watched Empire on Bluray a few days ago and to be honest I don't see much difference with the last DVD transfer.
Posted by John Skujins (Member # 1515) on September 19, 2011, 01:20 PM:
I believe I bought my low-fade copy of ESB Part 1 from you, Jean-Marc, if I remember correctly.
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on September 19, 2011, 01:33 PM:
Glad to see you bought a good LPP copy.
Now, if I can just find a copy myself ...
"Anybody? Anybody? Bueller?"
Once again, a magnificent print of ESB part 1.
DRAT! Now I'm really wanting one!
Posted by Larry Arpin (Member # 744) on September 19, 2011, 07:55 PM:
It's been years since I've seen this digest. I can't believe they left out important events, but I would imagine it must have been part of the deal. Here's an auction with youtube of the entire reel:
Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on September 20, 2011, 01:03 AM:
John, yes I remember, exactly one year ago.
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on September 20, 2011, 10:35 AM:
I always hate that kind of auction. Unless the You Tube link is from that actual print and the You Tube was put up by the person actually doing the auction, you really have no way of knowing as to whether the image quality is what the video shows. Potentially fraudulent.
Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on September 20, 2011, 11:06 AM:
Right Osi, and in that particular case, the YT vid is 9 months old. The seller is saying that the video and the photos are similar to what he is offering for auction (he says that the video is to check content of the reel).
Posted by Chris Fries (Member # 2719) on September 22, 2011, 03:51 AM:
Has anyone seen this? Parts 1 & 2 have been re-edited and are being sold together on eBay out of NY.
According to the description, "pro editing inter-cut in the right order. focus & sound does not shift on the cuts"
Sounds like a lot of work to me. 7 day auction, no reserve and starting at $50. Not sure if I'm going to bid. If anybody here gets it, let us know if it looks as good as advertised.
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on September 22, 2011, 10:26 AM:
Be willing to part with that nice color digest?
Posted by John Skujins (Member # 1515) on September 22, 2011, 12:47 PM:
Sorry, Osi, but I have one of each part with good color and I want to hold on to the pair. Good luck !
Posted by Oscar Iniesta (Member # 1731) on September 22, 2011, 02:04 PM:
About the spanish ebay auction, I have to say that spanish super 8 fans know this seller very well, because we have been talking several times. We dont exactly know what happens. But we have seen how the same articles are sold again and again and usually, they reach very high prices, despite they are not features or hard to find collectibles. You will see the Star Wars film been sold from time to time (last days it was sold for more than 200 euros!), the Star Wars OST CD box, and my favourite, the Yelco DS630MS, sold for more than 500 euros!!! I canīt say more.
Pd; SPANISH SUPER 8 FANS ARE WORKING TO KEEP SUPER 8 ALIVE, AND WE ARE SERIOUS BUYERS AND SELLERS.
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on September 23, 2011, 12:57 PM:
It was, of course, worth a try!
Posted by John Skujins (Member # 1515) on September 23, 2011, 02:37 PM:
Understood. If I lose my job and I need to raise funds, I'll think of you first!
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on September 24, 2011, 12:28 PM:
Now look at me! wishing happily
"get him fired, get him fired!"
haha! Just kidding. By the way, I sent you a PM!
Visit www.film-tech.com for free equipment manual downloads. Copyright 2003-2019 Film-Tech Cinema Systems LLC