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Posted by Joe Caruso (Member # 11) on January 14, 2010, 04:08 PM:
A public accolade to our great moderator, and top-film friend Doug. We recently conducted a nice trade and am most satisfied - This is what our forum is all about; friendship and an exchange of good information - Thanks Doug, from Shorty
Posted by frank arnstein (Member # 330) on January 15, 2010, 04:38 AM:
Hi Joe

It is nice to see you handing out a public accolade to Doug but we members can only observe silently from the side & wonder.

Why do we wonder?
Because you have not given us any details of this deal Doug & you have done. There has been no disclosure to the members at all about the details. Just an expression of great satisfaction & much praise to Doug, but its only after the deal has already been done. Its too late for us to help you.
You have done the deal completely on your own.

You have written...

"This is what our forum is all about; friendship and an exchange of good information"

OK.... that sounds good...
but where is evidence of the "exchange of information" about this "great deal" to the Forum Members for debate & general airing of opinions.?

If great deals are being done, why aren't all members being told the full story?
I.E. The item you were sold, & the price that you paid.

Maybe others here would want to do the same deal.
Why cut them out of the action?
It doesn't seem fair, does it Joe?
After all, we are fellow Forum Members & here to look after each others problems & lend moral support to the confused.

If we could all make comment on what we thought of the overall deal and thus be really involved, then the Forum is seen to be doing its job for us & driving prices down for all.
You, on the other hand, would get great benefit from the members who would volunteer much advice about wether you are really getting a good deal or not.
The "great deal" may turn out to be somewhat less than "great" once its analysed by the collective knowledge of the whole forum.

You can't really be sure you got a good deal, because at the moment, the only people that think it was great is you & Doug.

Why not use the vast experience of all the forum members before committing to, or closing any such deals in future?
We are always ready to advise & make sure you get a good deal.

When buying stuff from Doug or anyone else for that matter, we members will always act in your interests, because we all know that one day, we too may need similar advice from the Forum.

I think some, if not most of the Forum Members will agree with me on this very sensitive issue. We will see if there is any responses.

Anyway, congratulations to both of you for the excellent outcome of this private deal.


[Roll Eyes]
Posted by Joe Caruso (Member # 11) on January 15, 2010, 06:32 AM:
Okay, he had a 200' Color-Sound print with box of THE TALL MEN, which he swapped for my Super 8 Sound-B&W 200' print with box of THE YOUNG LIONS - We're happy and hope to conduct further business
Posted by Stewart John Boyle (Member # 1785) on January 15, 2010, 11:55 AM:
Come on now Frank, surely a mutually beneficial trade between forum mmembers does not have to be discussed or scrutinised by everyone here?
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on January 15, 2010, 01:03 PM:
Be assured, you are not left out of the loop, dude? I personally don't know anyone who plays favorites on this forum, (well, I know that I don't).

Besides, you and I and everyone on thid forum benefit each and everyday from Doug's great work. He is one of the moderators and is responsible, (as well as Kevin and Brad), for the excellent content and doing they're best to keep this place a happy, pleasant and largely informative place that it is.

Wish i could help you more with your searches for rare titles Joe! (I also wish there was a Son's of the Desert chapter close by. I think the closest, sadly, is in Utah. What would one have to do to start one up here?).
Posted by Christian Bjorgen (Member # 1780) on January 15, 2010, 01:19 PM:
I have to disagree with you a little, Frank. Of course we have to free to do trades and deals amongst each other without it being detailed here.

It would be like buying something on eBay without posting it here first, it's no big deal and it happens.
Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on January 15, 2010, 02:08 PM:
It sounds to me like somebody was trying to say something nice about somebody else.

Really shouldn't be any need to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt...

Besides, I've met Doug (in the three dimensional world, no less). He is nice!

Same goes for Joe!
Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on January 15, 2010, 02:12 PM:
Ah come on now fellas.

Surely you can see that Frank was being humourous.

Nice one Frank.
[Big Grin] [Big Grin]
Posted by Stewart John Boyle (Member # 1785) on January 15, 2010, 03:21 PM:
Michael.. you think so ?
Posted by Gian Luca Mario Loncrini (Member # 1417) on January 15, 2010, 03:23 PM:
[Roll Eyes]
Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on January 15, 2010, 04:48 PM:
Geez....I certainly hope so....???
Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on January 15, 2010, 05:00 PM:
Joe was simply paying a nice complement to Doug

Regarding the details of the film transaction then in my view thats there business not ours.

Posted by Trevor Adams (Member # 42) on January 15, 2010, 05:03 PM:
Dogtor Frank Arnstein,sounds pretty serious to me! [Roll Eyes]
Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on January 15, 2010, 05:05 PM:
I think Frank was probably trying to be humorous. Sometimes the intent of the writer is lost in forum postings.
My wife and I had the pleasure of meeting Doug at the Ealing BFCC a few years back, and he is certainly a great guy, and we all appreciate his moderating efforts on this forum.
Posted by frank arnstein (Member # 330) on January 15, 2010, 06:10 PM:
Good Morning to all in the forum.
At least I can now see that the members do read these posts.....

It was written with tongue in cheek & so am rather surprised anyone would take my ramblings seriously...

If we can lighten up a bit now & then & have a bit of a laugh it can help us all as we try to overcome serious projector issues.
It was not meant to be at anyones expense. Especially Dougs.

My twisted humour has resulted from over exposure to Projectors & I am trying to recover from this affliction.
The prospects of a full recovery are rather dim I am told.

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on January 15, 2010, 06:17 PM:


Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on January 15, 2010, 11:02 PM:
Wow.....I'm only just reading this thread now and it seems to have caused quite the stir!

Joe, thank you very much for the kind words. I'm looking forward to our next confidential covenant.

Frank, that has to be the most deadpan post I've ever read.

Thanks to all for the compliments. I'm thrilled to be a part of this amazing Forum.

Posted by Dino Everette (Member # 1378) on January 15, 2010, 11:37 PM:
This could have all been avoided if only the "Additional Graemlins" link worked... [Razz]

Frank could have inserted appropriately goofy little faces, here, there and everywhere after each bit of sarcasm....
Posted by Dan Lail (Member # 18) on January 16, 2010, 02:33 AM:
Nice one, Frank! [Cool] You really had some members going. [Eek!]

All seriousness aside, I think there is an underlying conspiracy to to stifle the private and public trading practices by using mind control tactics of the third kind. Yes the third kind! I know for a fact that Doug was seen at a Manhattan Burger King with a bag containing not burgers and fries, but rather small films on cores ready to be picked up by an anonymous bystander wearing an inconspicuous trench coat, an actor by the name of Shorty a.k.a. Flickers Caruso. Later to be disclosed on this very forum as a "good deal". Who knows what dastardly deeds go untold in the dark world of polyester. [Big Grin]
Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on January 16, 2010, 02:56 AM:
I repeat - nice one Frank!! [Smile]

Remember Orson Welles infamous radio broadcast folks????
[Big Grin] [Big Grin]
Posted by Chris Smith (Member # 132) on January 17, 2010, 06:48 AM:
Frank, Is that your REAL name?
Posted by frank arnstein (Member # 330) on January 18, 2010, 03:23 AM:
Yes it is my name Chris,

Here is my card, picturing me as a younger man.
This was before morphing into a Projector Dogtor one day.

I look a bit rougher nowdays, with a long wild beard & am quite scruffy in general.

Thanks for the expressions of support from some individual forum members listed above.
Some wanted me drawn & quartered... hmmmmm that would hurt...

I would like to reply to you all individually now, but must do it at another time.
My Cockatoo is now calling me now & I must tend to his evening feeding & watering.

Then later on, I will try to assist newbie projector owners with getting their machines going.

Its always a full day here at Projector Heaven, but I keep at it & hope to be doing this till I drop.

Dogtor Frankarnstein


[ January 18, 2010, 06:41 AM: Message edited by: frank arnstein ]
Posted by Stewart John Boyle (Member # 1785) on January 20, 2010, 12:47 PM:
Nice reply Dogtor,
One request from me [Big Grin]
If your gonna do sarcasm, Can you keep it to one liners !! [Smile]
Best Wishes
Posted by frank arnstein (Member # 330) on January 20, 2010, 05:25 PM:
Hi Stuart
Thanks for your good advice' Shorter is better & in future, I will try to restrict my comments to technical advice, as these rants can lose something in the translation & be misunderstood.

dogtor frankarnstein
Posted by Dan Lail (Member # 18) on January 20, 2010, 05:36 PM:
Nice reply Dogtor,
One request from me [Big Grin]
If your gonna do sarcasm, Can you keep it to one liners !! [Smile]

Stewart, do really want Frank's sarcasm to be shorter than you naivety(oink!oink!)? I think "sarcasm " is the wrong word, but rather dry wit. Stirred not shaken. [Big Grin]
Posted by John Skujins (Member # 1515) on January 20, 2010, 05:47 PM:
Frank - I just now read this thread and I totally saw your post as funny. You just went with it, building and building on it like a good Tex Avery cartoon! A great entertaining reply to an otherwise unremarkable little post that would have been buried rather quickly otherwise.

BTW, I'm glad Joe & Doug are happy with their trade. Joe helped me out once with a film I was trying to find, and I was happy. :-)
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on January 20, 2010, 08:22 PM:

"an otherwise unremarkable little post"? Thanks for the critique.
I'll be looking more closely at your upcoming disquisitions.

Posted by John Skujins (Member # 1515) on January 20, 2010, 08:57 PM:

Hey, it was Joe's post anyway, but I welcome your critiques regardless.

Posted by frank arnstein (Member # 330) on January 22, 2010, 06:54 AM:
Hi to all the Members on the thread.

I want to thank you all for responding & livening up a the forum a bit.
Quite a spectrum of responses emerged & it was most interesting & fun to read them.

I feel compelled to respond very briefly to each Member that replied, or risk being thought of as rude, which I try not to be.

So here goes..

Thanks for releasing full details of the deal for which you publicly thanked Doug for.
Wow, thats some deal you done, no wonder you are excited.

We can all now consider the pros & cons & my personal opinion is, that if there is no color turning red in "The tall Men" then you both got a good deal. A fair swap.
However, if there is turning red, then I think Doug got the better of you on that deal.
The important thing is that you are both happy & you want more of the same deals.

Come now Stuart, When effusive thanks are offered in in the Forum to the Moderator, the Members in the room are naturally going to wonder what was the deal they are talking about.
Why mention it here if we arent going to be told the rest?
Your advice on my future posting brevity is noted & taken on board.

Your words are re assuring. Its good to know that you don't have any favourites here.
I also agree that Doug does a very good job moderating here in the Forum, assisted most ably by Kevin & Brad.
However, he was thanked publicly for something done in private.
Curiosity impulsively compelled me to comment on the lack of detail.

Thanks for only dissagreeing with me a on only a little & thanks a lot for agreeing with me on the majority of the stuff.

You are right, It was serious thanking going on.
but when you thank a room Moderator with such obvious gratitude, it's bound to get tongues wagging because we were only told half the story. People want to know the lot.

Thanks for the support & you are a man that understands others well. I always enjoy your posts. We think similarly on stuff.
The War of the Worlds is one of my favourite classics & this reaction here is mild compared to that. I am flattered,,heheeheh

I am gradually reverting back to childhood as it was a fun time & far too short.

If you feel that way, then what real interest could you have in the post?

I may sound serious but I really ain't.
Projector Heaven is a fun place where seriousness is restricted to diagnosing troubled Movie Projectors.
The rest is devoted to the enjoyment of owning amazing vintage Projectors & assisting others to enjoy their home movies by fixing as many Projectors as possible before I die.

Thanks for your understanding. I always read your posts with great interest. We could have a lot in common, especially our fondness for Eumigs including P8 & Pathes.

Its great to have you as our moderator.
Deadpan is better than Dead, I think.
I think you may have come out of that film deal with Joe, slightly ahead. Congratulations.
PS I love your signature line.

I will be trying out all the Gremlins to see which ones work.
Faulty Gremlins need to be reported to Management by members.

You took my in the right spirit.
Thanks for the supportive words.

Hope I covered you all...
Dogtor Frankarnstein

[Smile] [Roll Eyes] [Eek!]

[ January 22, 2010, 08:19 PM: Message edited by: frank arnstein ]
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on January 22, 2010, 08:22 AM:

... as an artist, how could I not wish to "draw" that magnificent profile?

and well ... we don't have a lot of money these days, but you at least deserve a "quarter" for the privilege of sketching such a magnificent profile!
Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on January 22, 2010, 10:11 AM:

Somebody was trying to say something positive and you highjacked his thread.

-No good deed goes unpunished, I guess.
Posted by Stewart John Boyle (Member # 1785) on January 22, 2010, 02:33 PM:
Thanks Frank
To be honest i really wasn`t interested in what deal was done,it`s none of my business,But i can understand some people might be interested, or just plain nosey to find out what the deal was.
My Graemlins are working perfectly.


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