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Posted by Pete Richards (Member # 2203) on July 07, 2013, 01:01 AM:

As an adjunct to another discussion, (I wish I knew how to start a Poll) what movies would you be willing to purchase new, (assuming they were under USD$1000) in the Super8 format if they were available to purchase now?

Probably should put them in order too!

For me it would be:

1977 Star Wars
Blade Runner
1980 Empire Strikes Back
Thief and the Cobbler

What about the rest of you? Only list them if you would actually put up the money to buy at least one of the titles you list. I'm interested to see if there really is enough demand for new Super8 feature prints or not.

Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on July 07, 2013, 04:37 AM:

I'd love that Star Wars 1977 version too

Empire is available from Steve Osborne and CHC I believe

Blade Runner I also had on the list before, and still haven't gotten it, so yes please :-)

Temple of Doom would be nice ... Wild at Heart is one of my favorites. Alien would be on the list

Posted by Pete Richards (Member # 2203) on July 07, 2013, 07:20 AM:

I keep asking Steve about ESB on the new film stock, but he hasn't seemed to work out a price or a timeframe yet.

Posted by Richard Bock (Member # 1926) on July 07, 2013, 08:07 AM:

If it were a title that all on the forum could pick that we could all agree on I would pick Blade Runner. But I would go for these as well:

Rebel Without A Cause-Scope
Seventh Samurai- Scope

Posted by Jean-Christophe Deblock (Member # 792) on July 07, 2013, 08:16 AM:

Midway.
Lauwrence of Arabia.

& of course:

AIRPORT ('70), (but now, I already have it in IB Tech, 35mm.

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on July 08, 2013, 12:42 PM:

No Reservations, "The Wicker Man", a sin that this classic film
has been negleted, a true classic in the genre, WHY?

Posted by Guy Taylor, Jr. (Member # 786) on July 08, 2013, 01:13 PM:

I agree with The Wicker Man; a visual feast of beautiful locations, strange surreal scenes, and beautiful women.

Posted by David Ryder (Member # 3810) on July 08, 2013, 01:50 PM:

Manhattan, Chunking Express, lost in translation, Raiders of the lost ark and just like everybody else Bladerunner. If I owned just one of these I would be a very happy man [Smile]

("it's an investment darling, it will only go up in price") that's what I would have to say to the girlfriend.

Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on July 08, 2013, 01:53 PM:

Raiders you can get ... I bought mine just some weeks ago from Steve Osborne

Looks like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R40FiUKKdMo

Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on July 08, 2013, 01:55 PM:

Many of the titles mentioned are readily available in 16mm and probably at a much cheaper price than you could expect to pay for a brand new Super 8 release.

Posted by David Ryder (Member # 3810) on July 08, 2013, 02:09 PM:

I know that raiders is available but it's more price at the moment, how much is a copy of raiders going for?

Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on July 08, 2013, 02:31 PM:

USD 600, scope and stereo ...

Posted by Dave Velazquez (Member # 3009) on July 08, 2013, 02:35 PM:

I would definitely buy the following films:
Star Wars
Friday the 13th Part 2
Raiders of the lost Ark
The Thing
Halloween
The Exorcist
Jaws
Superman

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on July 08, 2013, 06:58 PM:

Hi Guy, beatings of the same heart, on first seeing this film, it
brought all emotions out in a short running time, from
the sexua,l to pure empathy for the poor soul cremated alive for
continuation of crops, an undying idea.

Posted by Julian Baquero (Member # 2520) on July 08, 2013, 07:17 PM:

I have listed some of this before, but just for the excercise here come some of my 100 favorite movies.

Bladerunner
In the Mood for Love (anything Wong Kar-Wai)
The Godfather I and II
Amelie
2001
Chinatown
Sweet Smell of Success
The Big Sleep
Notorious
Tokyo Story
Goodfellas
Singin'in the Rain
Taxi Driver
Mulholand Drive
The Wages of Fear
Alien
8 1/2
La Dolce Vita
Apocalypse Now
Pulp Fiction (anything Tarantino)
Lawrence of Arabia
Bridge Over River Kwai
Seven Samurai
Rashomon
Snatch
Fight Club
The Matrix
Spirited Away
A Clockwork Orange
One Flew over the Cuckoos Nest
The Shinning
The Royal Tenenbauns
Memento
The Last Emperor
Shutter Island
Chunking Express
Fallen Angels
2046
Wild Straberries
The Purple Rose of Cairo
Hanna and her Sisters
Radio Days
Match Point
Manhattan
All About Eve
Solaris (Soviet version)
The Cranes are Flying
Raging Bull
The Rules of the Game

And so forth...

Posted by Pete Richards (Member # 2203) on July 08, 2013, 09:07 PM:

So it looks like we already would have enough interested parties to do a group buy of Blade Runner, Star Wars, Alien and possibly 2001.
We should run this thread for a while, and then if everyone is still interested, select the most requested titles, and perhaps ask Steve or CHC or the German Lab as a group and see if it makes some of these titles feasible to purchase.

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on July 08, 2013, 09:29 PM:

A good idea Peter, that would require a list of titles for release
and no doubt a deposit. somehow, I can't see it taking off, there
are request's of film, but ask them for deposits is something else.

Posted by Maurizio Di Cintio (Member # 144) on July 09, 2013, 09:27 AM:

Please count me in too for "Blade Runner".

Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on July 09, 2013, 09:37 AM:

Should we ask CHC how many we need to get one? Blade Runner is one that many has mentioned. Problem might be to have something to print from.

I'd prepay for that

Posted by Ernie Zahn (Member # 274) on July 09, 2013, 11:11 AM:

I have a survey form I built and it's ready but it's becoming difficult to narrow down a short list to vote from.

I cross referenced by most watched on streaming services, highest grossing, highest grossing adjusted for inflation, requests made here, greatest cult status, films that haven't been put out as features or digests in the past, and highest user rating on imdb and highest critical acclaim on rotten tomatoes.

I should have it complete by the end of the day BUT no matter what film wins the only metric I couldn't lock down is availability of the 35mm print. I made sure that all listed have been released on 35mm (even if shot on digital) but I can't comment on how hard or easy it is to get a hold of those prints. To say nothing of how much it will cost to license the films from their holding companies.

But I consider this a fun experiment and we'll see what happens!

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on July 09, 2013, 01:13 PM:

Blade Runner, pure and simple.

Digest"

Dragonslayer 2X600ft (dream digest there)

Posted by Ernie Zahn (Member # 274) on July 09, 2013, 04:47 PM:

Blade Runner seems to be a popular request. But I'm wondering, what version is everyone focused on? Theatrical? Director's? Final? International?

Imagine throwing down $700 and much to your surprise there is no narration. Or much to your surprise there IS. lol

Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on July 09, 2013, 04:54 PM:

I'd want the same as the old Criterion Laser Disc ... Awesome and uncut

Posted by Brian Stearns (Member # 3792) on July 09, 2013, 06:47 PM:

Very underrated film

The Shadow (1994)

And I would like pure cheese

Dracula vs Frankenstein

Posted by Pete Richards (Member # 2203) on July 09, 2013, 07:12 PM:

Hugh, the suppliers keep saying they could do print X or Y, but there is not enough people to make it feasible. In my experience anyway, they keep telling me 'we have no other requests for that'.
I reckon if we organised ourselves and found some common ground on what we waned to purchase, then contacting the supplier and saying 'we have 6 people who want a print of Bladerunner (or whatever)' then they can get back to us and say if it is doable or not, and how much and how long. I'm sure they would want a deposit, but I don't see that as a problem if people actually want to buy.
The main problem seems to be that they need a certain amount of people to buy a print to make it viable.

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on July 09, 2013, 08:00 PM:

Sounds sensible to me Pete.

Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on July 09, 2013, 09:14 PM:

I can add a third order for 'The Wicker Man'. I'd love a trailer for it too.

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on July 09, 2013, 09:15 PM:

Well done that man Adrian.

Posted by Laksmi Breathwaite (Member # 2320) on July 10, 2013, 01:45 AM:

BLADE RUNNER! HERCULES 1958, AVENGERS,1977 STAR WARS, THE TIME MACHINE Pal Version, 20,000 LEAGUES UNDER THE SEA, 7th VOYAGE OF SINBAD, GOLDFINGER and THUNDERBALL

Posted by Ernie Zahn (Member # 274) on July 10, 2013, 08:27 AM:

Well here it is! I've made a voting form.

Super 8 Voting Ballot

I came up with this short list of choices considering many factors. I know everyone's choice is not up there so if you really strongly disagree with all the choices, I left a "suggest your own" box. Though I encourage you to vote on one of the choices to increase the odds.

Note that "Hammer Horror" refers to the franchise of Hammer films. There's a lot of demand here for Hammer films but everybody wants different ones. If Hammer Horror wins the vote then we'll have a follow up vote with a short list of Hammer films.

Also I left a box to put in your email or handle. You can be anonymous if you like. Though anonymity in this case might be an issue because we need real votes if this is going to mean anything. Not one person voting for Blade Runner 20 times!

DISCLAIMER: Nay sayers and skeptics, please keep your comments to yourself. We're all in the same community here and we all know that this might not pan out to become anything. If anything, this will just be a fun experiment. Plus we've all heard the skeptic side enough.

If this actually moves forward, then we'll turn these winning votes into pledges.

Rock the vote!

Also, let's keep this organized so feel free to share it with others!

Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on July 10, 2013, 08:39 AM:

I don't have that account, so I am not able to vote, as you need to login

Posted by Ernie Zahn (Member # 274) on July 10, 2013, 08:47 AM:

Try it now. I removed the login requirement.

Posted by Ernie Zahn (Member # 274) on July 11, 2013, 07:37 AM:

9 votes so far. Keep 'em coming! I think I will close the vote next week to give people time.

Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on July 11, 2013, 07:40 AM:

How can you follow the votes? I can only re-vote on the link

Is Blade Runner one of the top still? Would love that one

Posted by Ernie Zahn (Member # 274) on July 11, 2013, 09:23 AM:

Blade Runner is in the lead. I will publish the actual spreadsheet when the voting closes.

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on July 12, 2013, 01:11 AM:

Enter the Dragon Scope Feature. [Smile]

Posted by Pete Richards (Member # 2203) on July 12, 2013, 04:57 AM:

It gives you the option to view previous votes:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1zBVw5_vb8v-WxWEUUwUgkC8PvbQHHS_GiDvflDh7c74/viewana lytics

Posted by Ernie Zahn (Member # 274) on July 12, 2013, 06:48 AM:

Thanks Pete!

Posted by Luis Caramelo (Member # 2430) on July 12, 2013, 03:20 PM:

hi!fells good ideia,blade runner it should be great ,full lenght
and scope,if anyone find a way to print this film ,you can count
with i,m on it...

regards:
luis caramelo

Posted by Ernie Zahn (Member # 274) on July 17, 2013, 07:33 PM:

Hey all, this will be closing tomorrow at 9am eastern time.

Posted by Ralf Hoff (Member # 36) on July 18, 2013, 01:12 AM:

quote:
Hey all, this will be closing tomorrow at 9am eastern time.

Hi Ernie,

I placed my voting already.

Ralf

Arbeits- & Interessengemeinschaft Celluloidfilm
Ehrenamtlich im Einsatz für das Film-Hobby

Cine 8-16
Das Magazin rund um den perforierten Film
www.celluloidfilm.de

Posted by Michael Scheck (Member # 114) on July 20, 2013, 09:53 AM:

I voted for E.T. - and was the first one to do so [Frown]

But I think, Blade Runner is OK...
Best,
Michael

Posted by Zechariah Sporre (Member # 2358) on July 20, 2013, 11:08 AM:

I think it would be neat to see something newer if a feature is going to be released. My understanding is that Master & Commander (2004) is the must recent film to be released. So on that list either Casino Royale or The Dark Knight would be awesome. Don't get me wrong though, I love the classic films too, in fact, I watch more Black & White films then color films.
All that said, I didn't vote because the idea of buying a new film sounds awesome to me but when it comes right down to it am I gonna scratch up $800 and spend it on a film? Probably not, but it would be extremely tempting [Smile]

Posted by Ernie Zahn (Member # 274) on July 20, 2013, 11:13 AM:

Thanks for all your votes! It looks like Blade Runner is the winner.

2001 came in second and Star Wars & Hammer Horror came in second.

I'll follow up soon with the next step. Thanks again, everyone!

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on July 20, 2013, 01:08 PM:

The funny thing is that I'm pretty sure that there is a collector out there, (perhaps even a member of this very forum) who owns a 35MM print of this and could, if they chose to, get a print run or two made at that German super 8 lab. It's still up and running and "Bladerunner" would certainly be a release that would generate not just "buzz", but sales as well!

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on July 20, 2013, 01:36 PM:

How could Derann issue features at prices less higher (as I remember but I may be wrong) that the ones suggested on this topic ?

Posted by Ernie Zahn (Member # 274) on July 20, 2013, 03:01 PM:

Zechariah, personally I agree with you on that score. I would love to have Dark Knight as a feature.

Osi, that would be fantastic if they could loan it out to the German lab or to Steve who could then delegate.

Dominique, well there are a few things to consider. The changes in the Euro. The availability of stock has changed as well. Kodak has completely moved out of reversal film. That's why 100D rolls are so sought after. They don't use 100D to print these films (AFAIK) but the changes in availability says something about the global market of Super 8 stock, which is not disappearing but is certainly consolidating.

I can't comment on the availability of mag stripes.

35mm prints are harder to come by in some ways, simply because not many are being produced. If a movie hits 1,000 screens in the U.S. but 700 of them are digital then that's quite a lower number of 35mm prints that are ordered for release.

There is a 35mm release of Skyfall for example but I remember hearing that it was a very limited release because Sony is trying to push their Cinema 4K suite of products. On the other hand, 10 years ago, any film had many many 35mm release prints out there in theaters, which means higher chances that some of them could end up in the wild.

I have a couple sources to get my hands on 35mm Blade Runner prints. I'm going to investigate the first source tomorrow. No promises though! I'll report back either way.

Posted by Maurizio Di Cintio (Member # 144) on July 21, 2013, 06:12 AM:

Hello all.
I am extremely excited about the fact "Blade Runner" won the poll. I am ready to put a reasonable down payment on this project as soon as the source print is found AND a price estimate can be issued. BTW since I prefer screening in double system mode, I don't need a striped print and surely this can save some cash.

Hope we can make it through.

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on July 21, 2013, 08:46 PM:

Not my choice, but I HOPE you lads pull it off, Go for it!

Posted by Laksmi Breathwaite (Member # 2320) on July 23, 2013, 11:58 AM:

I hope you do it You got my order for digest or feature YEAH BLADE RUNNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on July 23, 2013, 12:40 PM:

Sorry, I am not sure what this mean?
"BTW since I prefer screening in double system mode, I don't need a striped print and surely this can save some cash."

Can you explain double system mode (do you mean two projectors?) and I thought the stripe was the sound and balance or am I totally off?

Posted by Akshay Nanjangud (Member # 2828) on July 23, 2013, 12:44 PM:

Double system - maybe projector system for image and some other system (like CD) for sound. I am guessing.

Posted by Ernie Zahn (Member # 274) on July 23, 2013, 12:49 PM:

Yes he probably has sound running from an external source.

Posted by Akshay Nanjangud (Member # 2828) on July 23, 2013, 01:52 PM:

Ernie, how long do you think it will be before the first cash advances are made? I ask because that will be *the* sure sign of replicants arriving on Super 8.

Posted by Ernie Zahn (Member # 274) on September 15, 2013, 04:46 PM:

Hey all, just an update. I got a message in the mail. The search for a 35mm print of Blade Runner is currently underway.

Nothing has been found yet but it's being hunted down by someone who is adept to locating such things [Wink]

Don't get your hopes up and hang on to your cash. One step at a time, we'll see what happens!

I'll post subsequent updates here.

Posted by Laksmi Breathwaite (Member # 2320) on September 15, 2013, 05:22 PM:

BLADE RUNNER ,and HERCULES Steve Reeves version.

Posted by Patrick Walsh (Member # 637) on September 16, 2013, 03:10 AM:

Just screened the latest LONE RANGER movie here, a 600ft scope digest of that would be nice!

Posted by Maurizio Di Cintio (Member # 144) on September 16, 2013, 08:38 AM:

Yes, double system in this case means images are projected from film but sound comes from a digital source. The film is synced to the DS by means of a sync-quartzed projector whose speed is exactly 25 fps (like the actual running speed of any film on DVD if issued here in Europe). Of course before everything can be screened for the first time, the soundtrack must be prepeared in otder to match the S/8 print, in terms of start leader, number and length of rolls etc.

Ernie, do you think the "candidate" print to strike the master material from can be checked in order to assess its cleanliness and lack of splices? I wouldn't want to be too piky here, I understand a print older than 30 years cannot be expected to be free of some short scratches (especially at reels end), but nonetheless it must be in such a condition we will not regret the amount of money put into the printing - a good/very good 'compromise'. Also I'd rather have the S/8 printed with side black bars in order to preserve the full integrity of the scope image. Please let me/us know if I'm asking to much and thank you for you unvaluable efforts so far...

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