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Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on March 19, 2015, 10:49 AM:

I am trying to make a 2x1200ft box for Aristocats and although I have the front Derann artwork for this film, I do not have a photograph of the spine art. Can anyone please post me an image of it so I can replicate it?

Either post a pic on here or send me in person please if anyone could possibly assist me with this.

As always if anyone wants any photo's of any of the others, I am always happy to help if I have the film.

[ March 19, 2015, 01:05 PM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on March 20, 2015, 04:53 AM:

Anyone at all have this in its original box please or even just any image of the box spine art?

Once I have seen it,with the templates I already have, I can very easily create a replica.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on March 30, 2015, 04:19 PM:

Still on the lookout please if anyone has a photo of this particular Derann Disney spine.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on March 31, 2015, 03:12 AM:

Managed to find it now after much trawling through the internet thanks.

Posted by Kevin Hassall (Member # 2352) on March 31, 2015, 11:20 AM:

Hi andy glad you got the artwork sorted im after lady and the tramp and dumbo and also fun and fancey free

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on March 31, 2015, 01:45 PM:

I would love to find Dumbo myself one day Kevin but there doesn't appear to be many of them about. I've only seen one or two sets of prints since being back in the hobby and one of them was badly scratched.

Best of luck in finding them Kevin and Lady is fantastic for quality.When you find one Kevin you will be delighted with the print quality I am sure!

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on March 31, 2015, 04:26 PM:

Ah well, all done now, theres another beauty for the Disney shelf! [Smile]

Its not blurred in real life during the daytime. Ha ha!!

Now just got to give "All Dogs..." the same treatment!

Posted by Kevin Hassall (Member # 2352) on April 01, 2015, 07:31 AM:

Hiya andy soz but i have the films but no artwork ian o'reily got them for me the lady and the tramp is a superb print and the dumbo one isnt too bad still got gud colour and minimul lines who ever had these looked after them i always asked ian about the disneys and one day he emailed me and i had these 2 plus hunchback of notradame and sleeping beauty

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on April 01, 2015, 09:47 AM:

Great news Kevin! Really pleased you now have them both Kevin.
If you need the artwork for Lady to stick on 3x600ft boxes stuck together I can send it to you as I have a lovely hi res copy all thanks to Paul Adsett. Just let me know Kevin and I will mail it over to you if you like. [Smile]

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on April 01, 2015, 09:48 AM:

Great news Kevin! Really pleased you now have them both Kevin.
If you need the artwork for Lady to stick on 3x600ft boxes stuck together I can send it to you as I have a lovely hi res copy all thanks to Paul Adsett. Just let me know Kevin and I will mail it over to you if you like. [Smile]

I will have a look around my main computer when home to see if I have or can find either of the other two for you buddy.

Posted by Kevin Hassall (Member # 2352) on April 01, 2015, 12:56 PM:

Hi andy that would be lovely thank you i will pay the p/p

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on April 01, 2015, 02:32 PM:

I can just e mail it to you Kevin if you have a printer?

If not I can post it out to you, just send me address or email by PM Kevin and I will process it either way for you.

If e mail I can do it now, if posting it is the only option I will send it Monday / Tuesday as I am working all Easter.

Kevin, it's the price of a stamp if the latter, so I certainly wont be charging! lol

Just let me know mate.

Posted by Kevin Hassall (Member # 2352) on April 02, 2015, 10:41 AM:

Hello andy i pm you buddy thanks you what a great site for making wonderful friends

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on April 02, 2015, 11:42 AM:

I will have it the post for you Tuesday latest kevin.
Tried sending you this via your private message Kevin,but alas I am still on your ignore list ha ha. [Big Grin]

[ April 02, 2015, 02:29 PM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on April 02, 2015, 03:47 PM:

I cannot find the actual Derann Dumbo Art Kevin, but having seen an original and using this spine art, I reckon I could make you a very good replica Kevin when i am off work.

I would replicate the original Derann cover art for Dumbo and then use the spine art from this.

What do you think Kevin, would it do?

BTW, you would still have to use 3x 600ft boxes glued together for it to work despite the film being only 2 x 600ft.

If it were mine I would just glue the middle box lid and use the inner and outer boxes.

This cover probably looks better than the official one I have seen however I cannot use this one as it stands due to the poor resolution when blown to A4 size.

Update: I have now found this art shown above in Hi Res if you could use it Kevin?

Posted by Kevin Hassall (Member # 2352) on April 03, 2015, 03:52 AM:

Hello andy i pm you buddy thanks you what a great site for making wonderful friends

Posted by Kevin Hassall (Member # 2352) on April 03, 2015, 08:07 AM:

that would be great buddy thanks ever so much

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on April 03, 2015, 02:24 PM:

I shall send you two copies of each Kevin. That way,each of the four sides of each of the film boxes can be covered if you wish.

I did this for "Lady...." and I reckon the boxes look better for having the artwork all around rather than just on two sides in the way Derann distributed them.

I always thought the back of the boxes soon looked grubby with just the plain white card showing every mark.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on April 07, 2015, 09:37 AM:

The two Derann pieces of triple 600ft sized boxed artworks have gone out to you today Kevin. Hopefully you will get them in a day or so.

As mentioned above, I have printed you two of each in case you want to cover the mock feature boxes all the way around as I did with my own copy of "Lady & The Tramp".

"Dumbo" has printed a little clearer than "Lady" on the Spine artwork section but this is just due to the quality of the original scan that I have to work with.

I have left them full A4 sized so you will need to cut a straight line just where the art work ends on each and then they will fit the boxes and wrap around perfectly.

Hope these are ok for you and I look forward to hearing back from you soon once you have received them Kevin.

Once again kevin, I did try to inbox you on here but you are still not accepting personal messages from me on here. Hopefully you will soon be able to rectify this feature that you have accidentally disabled.

[ April 07, 2015, 03:31 PM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]

Posted by Kevin Hassall (Member # 2352) on April 08, 2015, 03:19 AM:

Thank you buddy ever so much i can seem to get the hang of the private message thing ive got other people on ignore and i dont kniw jow to take it off arghhhh

Posted by Ricky Daniels (Member # 95) on April 08, 2015, 03:47 AM:

Andrew,
As Dumbo was never an official release I doubt there's any proper Derann Disney artwork in existence.
Best
Rick

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on April 08, 2015, 03:53 AM:

Derann released it Ricky. Just not many about that's all, but it's out there as an official Derann release on 2x 600ft reels.

Kevin has the Derann release as have one or two others on here from all accounts.

This cover is not the usual one they issued. It is a red background type like Lady and The Tramp, The Little Mermaid etc etc with an insert photograph similar to the DVD.

The full list of official Derann Disney releases exists on the other English forum written by Disney fanatic Gian Luca Loncrinni.
It's listed there as well as in some of their catalogues.

Posted by Kevin Hassall (Member # 2352) on April 08, 2015, 07:39 AM:

hiya andy the artwork for dumbo and lady and the tramp came this morning and wow !!!!! they are superb cant thank you enough my friend if there is anything i can do for you just ask buddy what a guy [Wink]

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on April 08, 2015, 08:22 AM:

Glad you like them Kevin. Should make your two features like when new now Kevin. They all deserve the finishing touch of a near original box I think. [Wink]

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on April 08, 2015, 08:34 AM:

It's amazing how much some good box art and boxes can add to the enjoyment of your film collection.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on April 08, 2015, 08:41 AM:

Too right. That's two people you have made their day for now Paul!
Thanks once again.

I love the entire look of my three cupboard shelves all uniform with the very same boxes for each of the main sizes in my collection.

I have a shelf for 1200ft films, one for features that are all on 2x800ft reels and then finally a shelf just for features that are as new in their original 600ft Derann boxes. All of the spine art ties in with one another and the collection then begins to look just that... a treasured collection where everything matches one another and a title stands out just by its artwork.

Even a rack full of Dvds or Blu Rays look good shelved, Films when uniform simply look fantastic!!

I just wish I could house these all in a display cabinet in the lounge area but sadly they are all behind cupboard doors so as not to agrevate the wife more than they do already each time one comes out for screening!! Ha ha.

Posted by Kevin Hassall (Member # 2352) on April 08, 2015, 11:22 AM:

Thank you buddy ever so much i can seem to get the hang of the private message thing ive got other people on ignore and i dont kniw jow to take it off arghhhh

Posted by Ricky Daniels (Member # 95) on April 09, 2015, 04:34 AM:

Hey Andrew,
Yeah I had and sold a copy of Dumbo way back in the day, it was a bit grainy and soft but not too bad all things considered and not as soft as that 'truly' official Little Mermaid release!
Best
Rick

[ April 10, 2015, 04:44 AM: Message edited by: Ricky Daniels ]

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on March 18, 2016, 06:06 PM:

I brought this back to life having seen Ricky post here again today.

It's interesting looking back now on what Ricky says here now I have been lucky enough to track down "Mermaid" and " Dumbo" in the past 12 months.

Ricky's assessment of Dumbo regarding overall print quality is spot on I'd say, however when I received "Mermaid", I was a little bemused having read Ricky's and many other peoples comments regarding print quality on this one.

When I first viewed Mermaid, I noticed it wasn't AS good as the very best of the Derann Disney prints, however, on the one I have put screen shots out there of, it really isn't too far off the mark either.

At the time of posting the screenshots, i did ask the question if anyone knew whether some were better than others?
I know the first batch of these took quite a bit of criticism along the lines of what Ricky speaks of here regarding soft focus issues etc etc.

What I notice from mine is that it is far far superior to my Dumbo print for both grain and for the most part sharpness but i really don't know if this is just because it's a later than first released, first run print or not.

Anyone else have any experience with both of these prints from Derann / import?

Posted by Ricky Daniels (Member # 95) on March 19, 2016, 06:07 AM:

Hi Andrew,
Good to read your comments.
Regarding Dumbo print quality, I wonder if there was more than one Negative 'source' for those 'Imported' feature prints? i.e.GB? and maybe Italy or Germany or?
I recall mine had better edge sharpness to the image than my Derann Little Mermaid, so maybe there was more than one printing source for Dumbo?
Best,
Rick

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on March 19, 2016, 06:18 AM:

This Dumbo print of mine Ricky, is a German print. The Dumbo print falls very much in the bracket of "as expected" I'd say.

It's more the Mermaid print that I'm a little intrigued over Ricky. The one I have, really isn't too far off the standard that you'd expect from any other of the Derann Disney prints.
Highly detailed print, not at all grainy, excellent colour throughout, as you'd expect.
If there is a slight sharpness issue on this print, it's not apparent throughout and it is extremely slight.

Not enough from the first released Derann Disney print, to bring about the reaction I've seen on many counts regarding some of these first run prints.

I was overall, pleasantly surprised when I first viewed mine based on my expectations from reading the reviews and comments of other past owners.

So, I'm still left wondering if some of the later released prints were any better, based on initial customer reactions etc.
Was another negative supplied by the Disney Studios perhaps?

Just a thought.

[ March 19, 2016, 07:54 AM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]

Posted by Ricky Daniels (Member # 95) on March 19, 2016, 08:25 AM:

Hi Andrew,
Sounds like you are luckier than most.
Maybe there was a printer fault in the print runs for a while? My personal experience was a soft one! Personally I can't watch animation unless the drawings are pin-sharp.
Best,
Rick

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on March 19, 2016, 09:34 AM:

yes maybe Ricky. You're right though, the very best pin sharp animations are some of the very best to view on the Super 8mm gauge imo.

Many of the Disney Derann prints are among my highest quality prints that I own, or probably ever could! [Smile]

Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on March 20, 2016, 10:34 AM:

I bought 'The Little Mermaid' soon after it was released and I think mine is probably from the first batch, but I also feel the sharpness is better than people might imagine in view of some of the criticism. I don't recall hearing evidence of later improvements so I think it's simply a case of collectors expecting high standards and knowing that 'Mermaid' was not quite reaching the level of quality they would associate with a modern film and a negative supplied by a studio. I think a key factor was that Derann released 'Mickey's Christmas Carol' shortly before 'Mermaid' so everyone hoped that the high level of quality that this established would be the norm. I recall someone telling me that Derek had said to him that it may have been feasible to get a better negative from Disney, but he dared not do so because superior prints would have caused all the existing buyers to be more unhappy!

An interesting fact is that in the early days of the Disney deal it was said that the features would be available for a strictly limited period and with 'Mermaid' the end was flagged up and it was discontinued, but I'm not sure if that happened with other releases. Maybe it did with 'The Rescuers Down Under', but I believe Disney never imposed a limited period with most other feature releases.

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