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Posted by Evan Samaras (Member # 5070) on January 04, 2016, 12:32 PM:

Hi everyone,

I have seen lots of information on Projectors and film but less so on cameras, so I'm hoping for a point in the right direction.

I have a Canon 1014 xls, and have run into a concern:

I have narrowed down the problem to where I believe it is at the claw.

I was shooting a cartridge and then at about 40' it told me END.

I tried new batteries but this didn't solve the issue. I carefully had the claw pulled down, and when I run it, it will then shoot up, come down and then stop, again END. Sometimes after doing this the camera will run for a little before sticking at end. Exposure is working, and the shutter even opens and closes when it is running well.

I am hoping a simple cleaning and lubrication will do the job.

However, this is probably a complicated job (correct me if I am wrong). I have done some work on older photographic cameras, so it may or may not be out of my league.

All suggestions welcomed. If someone knows of any camera repairmen close to NY I would appreciate the referral. Thank you!

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on January 04, 2016, 12:45 PM:

My best guess is your cartridge had 10 feet of existing footage on it and you've reached your real end of film. (I assume you are seeing "exposed" in the cartridge aperture?)

I've swapped cartridges (between cameras, between different stocks in the same camera) many times. It works very well except it really throws a curve at the footage counter.

It's even conceivable whoever loaded the cartridge only put in 40 feet.

-that would be a new one on me!

Posted by Evan Samaras (Member # 5070) on January 04, 2016, 01:07 PM:

Hi Steve,

The cartridge hadn't finished exposing. I put it in a Nikon and was able to finish the last 10'

I tried it without a cartridge, which usually runs without a problem, but I'm still ruining into the same problem

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on January 04, 2016, 01:19 PM:

Oh, Boy...

The one comfort you have is this is a camera worth repairing. A lot of the others become disposable when something like this happens.

I know of this place:

Du-All Camera

I've heard of other people using them but never had the pleasure myself.

About ten years ago I brought a super-8 camera to a local shop and they sent it out for repair. In the end they pulled it off, but I think they were probably happy to see me and my camera leave the building!

Posted by Paul Browning (Member # 2715) on January 04, 2016, 01:24 PM:

Could it be a tight cartridge Evan, I usually rap the cart on a table top a few times to loosen up the film inside, like we did with compact cassettes that wound too tightly. I believe the end flag is spring loaded and connected to a latch inside the camera that engages with the film as its being exposed, like those old speedo's on a motor car, the outside shows how to much film to go or exposed, this resets when the film is removed. I have the repair manual for this camera, but its very complex and two full A4 binders, I will have look for you and see if this is mentioned in a cause and remedy view.

Posted by Evan Samaras (Member # 5070) on January 04, 2016, 01:33 PM:

Thank you Steve! I sent them an email already haha! Unfortunately it's much harder to find these local shops in our area now.

quote:

Paul Browning

Could it be a tight cartridge Evan, I usually rap the cart on a table top a few times to loosen up the film inside, like we did with compact cassettes that wound too tightly. I believe the end flag is spring loaded and connected to a latch inside the camera that engages with the film as its being exposed, like those old speedo's on a motor car, the outside shows how to much film to go or exposed, this resets when the film is removed. I have the repair manual for this camera, but its very complex and two full A4 binders, I will have look for you and see if this is mentioned in a cause and remedy view.

Paul,

Thank you for your suggestion. I didn't expect it to be an easy fix. I would appreciate anything you are able to find. Unfortunately this is happening without a cartridge in place.It usually runs normally with no cartridge. I was able to finish that cartridge in another camera.

Posted by Paul Browning (Member # 2715) on January 04, 2016, 01:42 PM:

No problem Evan, I have a couple of these camera's, a real beauty of a camera, I hope you get it fixed without too much expense, I will get back to you in due course.

Ok I've now had a look in the manual, there is a footage counter contact, which must stop the motor from over running the film out of the cartridge. The contact is made at 48.5 ft and off at 48.4 ft. The contact clearance when off is between 0.5 - 1.0mm, but is 0.2 - 0.1mm. My opinion is that just maybe this contact has arced over time and is now spiking the gap between the two contacts, its only .004" ( 4 thousandth of an inch). Like an old set of points on a motor car, they get "arc crud" which needs to be cleaned away then adjusted. According to the manual this part was replaced, maybe because of this problem. This is just my opinion Evan, and some removal and de soldering is needed to get to it, the pictures are not very clear and I don't think they will help that much.

[ January 04, 2016, 03:57 PM: Message edited by: Paul Browning ]

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