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Posted by James Wilson (Member # 4620) on January 29, 2016, 09:40 AM:

I`ve just been cleaning up my projector collection, when I noticed
my Eumig S807D sound head seems to be in contact with the film be it sound or silent. I bought this projector years ago so I could transfer Super 8 sound & Standard 8 sound.
While you can switch between both types of film soundtrack there is no position for silent, I wondered with the sound heads being soft does this wear them out quicker?
James.

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on January 29, 2016, 10:04 AM:

My take on this is sound stripe is much more abrasive than bare film base, so it shouldn't really matter one way or the other.

I also don't think the 800 series heads are as soft as 900 series ones.

My first sound machine is an 800 series Eumig. I got it just around the same time I joined this Forum (I believe the Czar was still in power that long ago...) and I heard the stories of the soft Eumig heads.

I developed this elaborate plan to use the machine like 10 minutes a week to stretch the head's useful life out (no big deal when you own like 5 films...)

-but I soon fell off the wagon anyway and used the imminent death of my "soft" Eumig head as a reason (...excuse?) to buy other sound machines.

Long and short of it is pushing 13 years later the sound is still fine (-other than the hum, which I can manage) and when I clean and inspect the heads they look fine too.

-bearing in mind this machine was over 25 years old when I bought it. How soft can they really be?

Posted by James Wilson (Member # 4620) on January 29, 2016, 10:15 AM:

Thanks Steve,
It certainly is a fine machine, thanks for, putting my mind at rest.

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on January 29, 2016, 10:36 AM:

I enjoy mine: it's kind of funky with the bulb being lit all the time, and having to remember the inching knob when I clean the gate, but I have to respect anything that I bought when it was already old enough to have kids in school that years later still shows up for work without any complaints, and always has.

-there is a parade of dead VCRs, CD players and DVD players that have come and gone since the first time I threaded this up!

(It was cool to actually have sound after all those years!)

Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on January 31, 2016, 05:39 AM:

James my first reel Eumig 807d purchased only 42 years ago is still working fine. You'll oft hear collectors compare them to Elmo gs1200 and forget the huge price for a gs. I'll dig out my Eumig receipt from my teens and report back. Happy memories

Update: Eumig 807d in 1974 just under £120
Elmo GS1200 a couple years later £850

Posted by Janice Glesser (Member # 2758) on January 31, 2016, 04:46 PM:

I have an Eumig S810D. In looking at the general specs it appears identical to the S807D. Can anybody explain the difference?

Posted by Joseph Randall (Member # 4906) on January 31, 2016, 04:57 PM:

According to the user manual, which covers both the 807 and the 810, the 807 takes a 75 watt lamp, and the 810 a 100 watt. The 807 also came with a 1.6 lens compared to 1.3 for an 810.

Posted by Janice Glesser (Member # 2758) on January 31, 2016, 05:40 PM:

Thnx...so it's basically the same projector. It definitely was built to last. I just wish the motor wouldn't keep running when you plug it in. Although I guess this makes it pretty difficult to forget to unplug the projector when done. I frequently forget with other models. I usually plug it into an extension cord with a switch so I don't have to keep plugging and unplugging it [Smile]

Posted by Joseph Randall (Member # 4906) on January 31, 2016, 06:05 PM:

Yes, but although you can always upgrade the lens of an 807, the 75 watt light output is a bummer. I believe I've seen later 807 models listed on eBay that take a 100 watt lamp, but I'm not 100% sure.

Update:
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This listing claims the 100 watt lamp, but one of the pics clearly shows the spec as 75 watt:

Eumig 807

Posted by Zechariah Sporre (Member # 2358) on January 31, 2016, 07:14 PM:

I agree those Eumig projectors seem to just keep going. I have a few different projectors but my old trusty is my Eumig 810. I seem to never have issues with it. Yes, I've had a few 807s and most took the 75 watt bulb but atleast one took 100w so they must have changed at some point. So it appears the only difference between the 807 and 810 was the lens.

Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on February 01, 2016, 03:26 AM:

Hi Joseph.
Those 42 years and having my original 807D still have passed away so quickly. Anyhow, since the 70's I have always used a 12 volt 100 watt lamp in my 807D and not the 75 watt recommended. I've had no problems other than last week I changed the knobs to a new set. Audio output from this model was 6 watts through a external 8ohm speaker which was enough for a moderate room size.

Here is the old girl.

You can upgrade the lenses in these of course to a 1.3 or 1.2.

Regarding the differences between the models.
Later versions of the 807D or 810D can be identified by the lamp house cover as they have a much larger black front. Later versions also had a deeper black back to accommodate larger modified amplifier circuits, also a large focus knob which was a bonus.

Its nice to see the interest in the 807D, a model which holds such great memories for me. For many a year now we have a once a new year show using it projecting some of my childhood film collection. So much fun with 8mm.

Posted by Joseph Randall (Member # 4906) on February 01, 2016, 04:22 PM:

Hi Lee.
I got my 810D in 1974, too. I've upgraded to the 1.2 lens along the way. I've had speed problems which I recently sorted out, and had to replace the gate and pressure pads at some point. My Elmo ST1200-HD gets most of the work these days, but it is still fun to take the Eumig out for a spin every now and then since it was my first sound projector.

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on February 01, 2016, 04:38 PM:

Something I'm kind of queasy about these is that angled rewind over the roller at the back of the case. The depth of the roller is not deep enough that the film is always in the groove.

Depending on the eccentricity of the take-up reel the film can wind up on top of the roller's flange once or twice a second during rewind. I don't think I've ever gotten a scratch from it, but it's a concern.

-definitely a job for external rewinds if you have them!

Mine stood inactive for a long time, but I put it back to work while my ST-1200HD was recovering from last spring's meltdown. Lately I've noticed how nicely it projects 'scope. The lens actually fits inside the recess of my anamorphic lens and the image is nice and sharp. Also, the slightly narrower Eumig aperture means I don't need to move it so far forward to get the image entirely on screen.

I set this up as a third machine dedicated to 'Scope the week before Christmas as a Holiday Special.

-It's still there!

(My wife is very tolerant!)

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