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Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on September 04, 2017, 05:54 AM:

Yet another example today, proving once again that if the right title just so happens to come along, in the right condition, offered to the right people, then it isn't only Star Wars that fetches the big bucks on 8 any longer.
We have already seen examples of where films such as Alien, Aliens, Speed,Terminator & Gentleman Prefer Blondes have fetched these very high prices of around the £1000 mark. Now here is another...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Super-8-Feature-Film-Movie-Victor-Victoria-1982-Julie-Andrews-LPP/302428954040?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on September 04, 2017, 06:00 AM:

Personally, I wouldn't pay $10.00 for it but going by the bidding the. two Julie Andrews fans in the world are having a gigantic bun fight. In regards to this title I think we are seeing a once in a lifetime solar eclipse moment 🌚🌚

Posted by Mark Mander (Member # 340) on September 04, 2017, 06:25 AM:

Must Be mad paying that,I wouldn't do it for any title,Fair play to the seller but large sums of money like that would make me nervous,Mark

Posted by Brian Fretwell (Member # 4302) on September 04, 2017, 06:27 AM:

At least it is on LPP. Also I note a Red Fox LPP print of The Adventures of Robin Hood from the same seller is showing at 10% of that price. I know which I'd bid for (if the postage wasn't so high).

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on September 04, 2017, 06:51 AM:

To me it is a print i would dearly love to own one day,in excellent shape of course, but I too wouldn't go quite this far either, no matter how much I admire the work of Dame Julia.

On this occasion, I only wished the whole world now had the outlook that Mike has regarding the legendary Julie Andrews [Wink]

As we always say, there is no accounting for taste now is there? [Big Grin]

Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on September 04, 2017, 07:27 AM:

Julie Andrews starred in some decent movies this wasn't one of them. Ironic that a classic film like Robin Hood is going for less than 10% of Victor Victoria shows in a mad world some people have no taste or sense.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on September 04, 2017, 07:39 AM:

She did indeed Mike, and for at least 4 people in this mad mad world, this is also one of them. [Wink]

Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on September 04, 2017, 10:13 AM:

Andrew only two bidders anyone else is still window shopping. This title has turned up on dealer lists over the years. In fact, I would speculate it was one of the slow sellers for them.

One of those titles Derek brought out because he had access to a negative or had requests from collectors. Right up there with The Elephant Man quite a good film but wouldn't want to part with £250 to own it forever. The Abyss a film that made Raise the Titanic look exciting. Fearless Vampire Killers total amateurish dross from Polanski and despite loving Vincent Price I hate the Masque of the Red Death why couldn't he get any of the other Poe films.

You know my opinion on the Magic Box.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on September 04, 2017, 10:20 AM:

As said Mike, each to their very own. [Wink]

There are people here and in this hobby in general who wouldn't part with a tenner for a film so the £250 part of it, doesn't really come into it.

For those that like, they are the ones who buy.

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on September 04, 2017, 10:22 AM:

...and if the bidders know that the very title is still availble for sale in this forum for $300....and still no takers... [Big Grin]

...another one from a Mexican seller for $600... yes more expensive but still below this crazy bid war.

Cheers,

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on September 04, 2017, 10:28 AM:

Maybe there are reasons for that Winbert. [Wink]

Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on September 04, 2017, 11:00 AM:

Star Wars, Star Trek, Hammer Horror, Universal Horror, Horror in general, Science fiction, Spielberg, Disney , Tex Avery and particular stars like Marlilyn Monroe, John Wayne,Elvis & Bogart etc I can understand they are strong genres and have big followings of world wide fans. Victor Victoria I can not understand it is up there with Beatrix Potter and Hugo the Hippo in film collecting terms. Either two Julie Andrews fans with a grudge or memorabilia collectors who have no idea
or clue. Let's face it look what they pay for posters now £100,000 for an original King Kong or £20.00 for a reprint that looks better and won't get stolen.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on September 04, 2017, 12:14 PM:

There is an element in all of this that film collectors may simply want to collect all of the very nice prints like the later German and Derann type as well as Red Fox, kempski etc etc.

There have been many offerings of Robin Hood on lPP up for grabs over the years and so maybe those who want one, probably already have one.

Perhaps it will be the more obscure prints like this one here and say titles such as Elephant Man, that when they emerge in top drawer condition, may command the same high prices paid for the more obvious titles.

Posted by Melvin England (Member # 5270) on September 04, 2017, 12:32 PM:

Let us not forget that this price is being reached due to BIDS.... NOT some opportunist setting a price who thinks they have the Holy Grail.

Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on September 04, 2017, 12:36 PM:

We have been here before i thinks,

BTW Melvin, i agree 100% on this, i have always said if a seller starts at a reasonable price then what it ends up at in bids is solely down to the buyer and what They want to pay.
Idiots, like the pillock that listed a trailer with a start price of £799 recently, are just plain dim and clearly have no idea and certainly give ebay the reputation it gets. They need to bring back the listing price based on the start price.

A/ Will it get paid for and
B/ its only a movie, i just dont get this nutty pricing however, well done the seller if they pay, and as someone who is also a seller on ebay solely to raise money to buy other films, i can honestly say i will be delighted if a certain film i will be listing soon get anywhere near this. (no its not T2 or Grease)
I get upset after the effects of parting with 200 for film, guilt seems to set in every time i do it and its quite rare that i do.
If cine was the only way of seeing a film i could seriously understand it, i also appreciate that cine is now very retro and big for collectors but it isn't the only way to see a movie on the big screen.
Anyway, it aint half making us think again. Have to say i am very much loving all the 16mm titles out there and with only 6 feature films in our 16mm collection we are looking to increase to no more than 10/12 due to size and space etc, while some 16 is now becoming scilly priced there are still many many sellers like Mr Guest who sell good films in good nik and at great prices. We are currently awaiting an excellent print of Blue Thunder, i could have bought 6 titles for the price of this Julie Andrews super 8 film.
Anything is worth what someone is willing to pay i guess but remember David Hardy s sanity check thread? That certainly counts for this one [Wink]

Posted by Melvin England (Member # 5270) on September 04, 2017, 12:42 PM:

Well said,Tom. I will keep my eyes peeled on Ebay to spot your "mystery" film!

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on September 04, 2017, 12:52 PM:

And I completely agree with your initial post there Melvin.
This is a film that has risen to this price by demand.
It wasn't started as an expensive print and for that the seller should be commended I feel.

Posted by Melvin England (Member # 5270) on September 04, 2017, 01:10 PM:

Yes. Lucky person.

Posted by Daniel Macarone (Member # 5102) on September 05, 2017, 05:46 PM:

It's possible these few bidders are so rich, they don't necessarily love the movie, but they will pay any amount without blinking, because that movie just happens to be on their want list. I, personally would gladly buy 3 prints of Robin Hood, 3 of The Wizard of Oz, and 3 of Dumbo before buying 1 print of Victor Victoria.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on September 05, 2017, 06:03 PM:

I have The Adventures Of Robin Hood, the Wizard Of Oz and Dumbo, Daniel, but I'd still like Victor Victoria as I am a big big fan of Julie Andrews and all of her work.
I am just not filthy rich and never will be, so I guess I will never see this one in all of it's glory on film sadly.

At £1065, it will never be my money that buys it.

Posted by Steven J Kirk (Member # 1135) on September 05, 2017, 06:41 PM:

Me neither. Over a thousand pounds? I will never be paying that for a film print. I too have found 16mm features very reasonable over the last couple of years. £80-120 will buy a good print of a good film. The classics will still be expensive but a 'watchable' good film suits me. I want a nice condition print more than an all-time great, the great films will come out on the new formats anyway...

Posted by Kevin Clark (Member # 211) on September 05, 2017, 06:46 PM:

Hyper-priced by two must-win-at-any cost and over excited / money no object bidders in this case I'm sure - the silly season has indeed begun.

I thought it was the one where you see Julie's Thrupenny Bits but it's not even that one - much better to keep the money ready for a nice print of Derann's Mary Poppins or Sound Of Music and see the very best of Julie Andrews at likely half this price or less.

Kevin

Posted by Brad Kimball (Member # 5) on September 05, 2017, 09:02 PM:

I love projecting film. Next to my family and our pets my film and projectors are 2nd. However, there is no way in hell I would ever pay more than a couple of hundred dollars for any film print. I love both "Victor/Victoria" and "Robin Hood", but $600? I can live without them. I could also never be comfortable electronically transacting a purchase for that amount. Film is an obsolete medium. No NEW equipment - just fix the old or buy refurbushed. There's no NEW prints - just old used prints. When there's nobody left to fix projectors and no more replacement bulbs to put into them then the hobby is pretty much done. I just can't see myself making a huge investement into a medium that although I love it I'm too aware its days are numbered.

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on September 05, 2017, 09:27 PM:

Wellll....

One way to look at it is the conventional wisdom would tell you that the Silver Disk would make these prints worth no more than what a DVD or Blu-Ray costs these days, and probably less.

-yet somebody thinks they're still worth a lot more, and a whole lot at that.

I don't even try to explain this to my non-film friends. I've had a few of 'em ask how much some new feature length print cost me (a rude question).

Standard Answer: More than a pizza, less than a car!

(Other people's hobbies often make no sense: there's no explanation possible.)

Posted by Daniel Macarone (Member # 5102) on September 05, 2017, 09:58 PM:

Didn't mean to put down Victor Victoria, Andrew. It is a good film and you might still find a print for a reasonable price.

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on September 05, 2017, 10:06 PM:

That's the thing about Ebay: the prices are all over the place. What one sale does means very little in terms of what a similar sale might do a few weeks later.

Maybe two years ago a friend from Cinesea sold a 16mm Star Wars for more than a few of my cars cost me. A number of similar prints showed up for sale afterwards, but lightning didn't strike twice.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on September 06, 2017, 06:50 AM:

Thanks Daniel and it doesn't matter to me what anyone thinks regarding a film, we all like what we like.

I love a lot classic musical films like GIGI, The Sound Of Music, Seven Brides For Seven Brothers, Hello Dolly, Showboat...etc etc, the list is endless.

At the same time, I understand that to some collectors, these type of prints would sit on the shelves for an eternity.

I agree with Kevin earlier here in that Julie was truly outstanding in The Sound Of Music and Mary Poppins but I'd equally like to add to my collection of musicals Victor Victoria one day.

I was truly thrilled last week to finally find a print of Mary Poppins that actually equals in every way, the print I had new from Derann all those years previously.
To me, this film is one of my all time favourite Disney classics and much of that is due to the superb role played by Julie herself.
A voice as pure as the driven snow itself. Truly mesmerising.

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on September 06, 2017, 10:50 AM:

I agree ... a rediculous price for this film. I wouldn't put great money on it re-selling for that amount again. "Victor Victoria' is a marginal appeal film ...

but hey, if the margin is willing to pay out top dollar like that, I wish I had a print of it lying around for sale! [Big Grin]

Andrew ...

What film stock is you're mary Poppins on?

I've seen comparisons of Derann Agfa and L.P.P. prints of this title and I would most certainly desire the Agfa print, but would personally pass on the L.P.P. print.

Posted by Mike Newell (Member # 23) on September 06, 2017, 03:04 PM:

I see 2010 has been listed now place your bet will we see $1500😂😂

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Super-8-Fe ature-Film-Movie-2010-1984-Roy-Scheider-Scope-LPP-/302441812837?hash=item466aefd365:g:L0cAAOSwRaRZrxAy

I would predict $600 for Romancing the Stone based on Robin Hood price.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Super-8-Feature-Film-Movie-Romancing-the-Stone-1984-Scope-Stereo-LPP-/302435393870?hash=item466a8de14e:g:ug0AAOSwEQFZqHKt

I don't hold out much hope for Million Dollar Mermaid. Esther Williams Techicolor wallpaper. Most of her fans would be 💤💤💤💤 and considering she had to lie in her life story to make it interesting . Poor dead Jeff was much maligned 👗

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Super-8-Feature-Film-Movie-Million-Dollar-Mermaid-1952-Esther-Williams-LPP-/302437502614?hash=item466aae0e96:g:IbEAAOSwm-pZqpCE

Anyway judging sanity has left the building must be some idiot will bid $200 for old Esther in her bathing costumes.👙

Where Mr Hardy when you need him. Hopefully, he is not in a black hole 🕳!!!

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on September 06, 2017, 03:17 PM:

I have two prints of Mary Poppins Osi and I had another brand new from Derann in the very early 90's.

All of them, like most of the Disney features from Derann, were printed on Agfa stock from the ones I have had.

Each looked pretty much identical in every way from the ones I have had. They have glorious rich colour and they are all really top notch prints.

Posted by Chip Gelmini (Member # 44) on September 06, 2017, 03:50 PM:

What about the seller who uses a different account to counter offer the bids just to drive the cost up.....hard to proove but suspicious now and then.

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on September 06, 2017, 03:57 PM:

Not good Chip, but you as a bidder should always have an idea in mind of what you are prepared to pay maximum.

If the same solo bidder just continues to overtake your bid several times over, to then a price you feel is unrealistic for any particular print, then I'd simply allow that bidder to win the item.

Chances are it will no doubt be offered to you anyhow shortly afterwards as a "second chance" next highest bidder.

Then it's simply down to you as buyer if you suspect foul play, whether or not you pursue the item any further at the maximum price you were prepared to pay.

The secret really is to never get sucked into any type of gamesmanship with your bidding.
You decide a price you're happy to pay at the outset and stick with it.
Then it doesn't ever matter whatever tactics a greedy seller or their allies throw into the equation.

[ September 06, 2017, 05:10 PM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on September 07, 2017, 11:19 AM:

I've seen that happen to, (seller using a different account to counter bid against a real bidder to jack up the price). It's kind of hard to prove, though.

I'm just glad that i bought the films i really wanted when I actually had a good deal of money to work with, and no wife and kids at the time.

I love my family, but money doesn't go as far as it used to .. [Smile]

... and, quite frankly, the prices for features 10 years ago or so, were much more realistic!!

Posted by Ty Reynolds (Member # 5117) on September 07, 2017, 12:00 PM:

If it's difficult to prove, then why make the accusation? Isn't that just poor sportsmanship to rationalize losing the bid?

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on September 07, 2017, 01:42 PM:

It isn't always so difficult to see some of the tactics used.
Some become very obvious if you keep a look out at the goings on at these places.

For some it may be less obvious and sometimes it may even be genuinely two people trying to win one item.
Nevertheless if you know your maximum before you even bid, you cannot go far wrong. Just don't be drawn in with these games,there will always be another somewhere down the road.

If I've ever lost a bid, I don't get too upset about it because someone else has paid more than I ever would for it.

Much more annoying, which has happened, is when you win something for a reasonable amount and because of that fact, the seller won't sell it to you!
It happens and it really should be a violation of the rules on ebay but unfortunately with all of the get out clauses for both seller and buyer, crap like this we occasionally have to put up with.

That's why ultimately, I'd much rather buy my films from a trusted dealer or known and trusted collectors if at all possible.

Posted by Daniel Macarone (Member # 5102) on September 07, 2017, 06:31 PM:

Good for you, Osi. I wasn't collecting ten years ago because, ignorantly, I was happy with DVD. Now, I'm married and can't buy anything. Boy, did I miss the opportune time to buy, especially as I find out Derann was still making new prints back then. I will soon be in the same position as most collectors, to find a little spending cash for the hobby now and then.

Posted by Chip Gelmini (Member # 44) on September 17, 2017, 10:52 AM:

I gave up on Ebay not too long ago. The heck with that crap. It's one of the most expensive and dumbest flea markets if there ever was one. From nothing but junk to non paying deadbeats. Maybe I feel this way since I am fighting the never ending battle of GS 1200 machines purchased through this site and the repairs continue.

As for Vic/Victoria:

And so it goes. The bidding has ended and it is only marked as "ended."

Shouldn't that say "sold" i.e. as it was paid.

Apparrently not. I dunno. I don't give a **** but WTF.

By the way my copy I bought new it was $399.00. [Big Grin]

[ July 04, 2018, 09:33 PM: Message edited by: Douglas Meltzer ]

Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on September 17, 2017, 01:26 PM:

Yes that sounds about the price I'd expect when this film was new.

Many titles now sell for far more than when brand new and in some cases we have seen examples like 3 or even 4 times the brand new retail prices for Super 8mm feature films now being sold in the second hand marketplace often not even in "as new" condition.

Strange, but once again, true.

Posted by Michael Lattavo (Member # 4280) on September 19, 2017, 07:24 PM:

I love Victor Victoria, have it on 16. It has vs, but no problems projecting so far. It's fun to see Julie Andrews cut loose a little bit from her wholesome image. And when she hits those high notes, it's something else!

Posted by Brian Fretwell (Member # 4302) on September 20, 2017, 02:53 AM:

2010 ended Winning bid:
US $355.00
Approximately £262.53
Lucky buyer.

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on September 20, 2017, 11:41 AM:

I'm still seeking reel 3 of 2010! [Frown]

On the plus side, my three reels are on Agfa and look absolutely glorious. Really saturated in color! The funny thing is that you can watch reels 1,2 and 4 and still have a very satifying view, but I'd love to have that reel 3.

Posted by Daniel Macarone (Member # 5102) on October 08, 2017, 12:36 PM:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Super-8-Feature-Film-Movie-The-Wizard-of-Oz-1939-Judy-Garland-LPP/302470088676?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D46674%26meid%3D5e06 9844ebe2425e80d551a733f5c772%26pid%3D100033%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D302470088676&_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042

To add to the craziness, this print isn't even the greatest, due to a blue tint, but it's selling higher than I've ever seen for this title.

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