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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on October 21, 2017, 12:13 PM:

I have a question about this one. I have found out that yes, this was released on L.P.P. film stock, but from what i have read, all the source prints for this feature have been from bad neg sources. That is, the color has been very iffy on it.

Is this true of the L.P.P. copies of this feature as well, or did they come up with a very good print source?

By the way, as another neat curiosity, the trailer for this was released on low fade film stock and that was taken from a very good color print source, as I've seen it and it is kind of a funny case of the trailer looking far better than the feature on super 8! [Smile]

Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on October 21, 2017, 02:33 PM:

There are many excerpts available from this film but I have never seen one which had good colour.

Posted by Alexander Vandeputte (Member # 1803) on October 21, 2017, 03:12 PM:

I have this feature. My print is indeed on LPP stock and has 'subdued' color. But I am not sure if that was due to technical reasons, or if this was intentional.

Posted by David Guest (Member # 2791) on October 21, 2017, 03:15 PM:

I HAVE THIS ON 16MM AND WILL BE FOR SALE AT BLACKPOOL

Posted by Joe Balitzki (Member # 438) on October 22, 2017, 01:00 PM:

When first released after it had fallen into the Public Domain by Mizzell Films (I think that is the correct name but I may not be remembering it correctly) the ad description listed it as coming from a 35mm IB Technicolor print. However, the film base had yellowed and it throws the palette off balance. Later when Red Fox Films made their own release they printed it lighter to remove some of the yellowing. In doing so, the color was desaturated. I do not know if they used the Mizzell Reduction Negative or made a new one from the 35mm print. Nor do I know what preprint material was used for UK release but possibly another source with less than perfect color.

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on October 22, 2017, 01:19 PM:

I had a print of Til The Clouds Roll By which I purchased from the local public library in 1990. It was a stunning print, extremely sharp, with deep rich colors. I sold it to Derann, which I now regret.

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on October 23, 2017, 11:21 AM:

I wonder if that was one of the Red Fox prints, Paul?

I do know that red Fox, when they were using low fade film stoc, released many prints that were literally second to none, (not true all the time but was often the case). I have an agfa "Robin Hood' Red Fox print and it is truly stunning.

Thanks for the info thus far. the only prints I have seen stateside have been the quick fade eastman prints which are varying shades of red to beet red, but I'll keep on looking.

I must confess, however, that I'm really looking for just the complete reel on of this feature on L.P.P. or agfa film stock, as i personally felt that the high point of this film was the first ever (on film) excepts from the musical "Showboat" which was very well done. [Smile]

Posted by Jason Smith (Member # 5055) on October 23, 2017, 06:01 PM:

I have the full length feature on Eastman LPP (1982 date code).

My copy has a lot of wear from the master but I could easily imagine the master material must have been a nice looking IB Tech when it was first released.

I'm not sure who released my copy but the colors are desaturated.
Perhaps, I have one of the Red Fox prints that Joe described.

If I had to take a guess, perhaps some of those faded copies that you've seen Osi have been Red Fox releases printed on Eastman. Considering the date code on my film, other prints around the time could have easily have been printed on non-LPP Eastman.

Posted by Joe Balitzki (Member # 438) on October 24, 2017, 09:16 AM:

I believe you have a Red Fox print. My Mizzell print not only has brighter and richer color, its "warmer" due to the yellowing of the IB Technicolor print that was used. On some shots the yellowing is more prevalent and you know it shouldn't be there. But generally, the richness of the Technicolor makes up for it. However, I am writing from memory as to what my print looked like years ago as I have not screened it recently. I need to check and see if my print has turned...

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on October 25, 2017, 11:35 AM:

Once again, i must admire you're collection from afar, Jason!

That is certainly passable color in my book! I'd probably never find just reel one from this on L.P.P., but I'll keep hoping. Thank you for the lovely screenshots! [Smile]

Posted by Alexander Vandeputte (Member # 1803) on October 25, 2017, 03:37 PM:

Nice screenshots Jason. This is exactly how my print looks like, also printed on Kodak LPP.

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