8mm Forum: Heurtier TRI "50" (R8/9,5/16mm)

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Posted by Phil Murat (Member # 5148) on August 26, 2018, 01:53 AM:

Hello,

Has somebody any experience with this machine ?

- R8 / 9,5 / 16mm
- Voltage 110-115
- This one has no sound
- Adjustable Speed
- Adjustable Shutters
- Reel Holders interchangeable

Developped by HEURTIER in 1939 and marketed untill 1960 (Approx)
(Last ones were 110v / 220 v)
This not a very rare machine, but ones with sound are very difficult to find.......

[ August 26, 2018, 03:17 AM: Message edited by: Phil Murat ]

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on August 26, 2018, 03:52 AM:

It looks very similair to the model I have, although mine is not a 50. Are you encoutering a specific problem or do you have a question regarding that projector ? They are reliable machines.

Posted by Phil Murat (Member # 5148) on August 26, 2018, 05:32 AM:

Dominique, at this time I am just discovering how that works, in that case , this is to run a few 9,5mm in the futur....

The machine is complete with user manual and 3 films guide and spool holders.

Quality of machinery "1939 design" is very good , Heurtier made a good job during this era..

However the lamp installed (350w) is too much powerfull at my opinion, even if cooling fan seems to be efficient.

I would like to convert it to 150W (halogen or other system) to prevent from film overheating

Is Yours fitted with sound?

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on August 26, 2018, 02:56 PM:

Actually, I have two Heurtier. Both have magnetic sound. The lamp on the sound projectors goes until 750 watts. I agree with you that it heats a lot. The advantage of the Heurtier vs more recent projectors is that the slower speed is at 16 FPS and not 18.

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on August 26, 2018, 06:11 PM:

Phil, I have for many years a Heurtier Tri-Film Série 53, mute versione, with which I have always found myself very well! Obviously it has the cons of an old projector, like a lot of noise, but in many ways it's better than many more recent projectors. First of all, with a good lens it's very clear and bright; the mechanism is old but functional, it is also convenient to have the belts outside and not inside the projector.
You say that the 350w lamp is too strong, but I, however, although I found myself already well, I bought the 500w lamp (the maximum power that indicates the manual, the 750w of version of Dom in fact I saw them only on sound models like his).
Ah, I remind you that the lens that usually comes with these Heurtier models is Ok for 8mm films, but not enough for the 9.5mm and 16mm films, whit these the image is vignetted, you need a suitable lens.
Another "highlight" of these models is the variable speed, the already named adjustable shutter and also the still image with plate that blocks the heat and does not burn the film.
It also has its own rewinding system!
I know him well and I also have the manual, if you need help I'm here.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on August 26, 2018, 06:42 PM:

Luigi, on my model also, the 20 mm is specifically designed for the 8 mm. From memory, so I may be wrong, three lenses comes with the projector. On my model, the shutter is set differently for the 8 mm gauge so if you watch a 9.5 (or 16 but usually those projectors are used now for 9.5) and you see a "ghost" (I translate from French) on the screen, check if the shutter is not on the "8" position.

Posted by Phil Murat (Member # 5148) on August 27, 2018, 12:58 AM:

Thanks Dominique and Luigi for your answers !
Mine is not sound. Upon more tests I let you know.
This is a nice machine really.

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on August 27, 2018, 07:48 AM:

Yes Dom, you're right, 20mm is Ok for 8mm and 35mm for 9.5mm and 16mm, both because they are about the same size.
Both lens should be included, but I've often seen these Heurtier models sell only with 20mm.
And yes, you have to set the shutter blades correctly with the selector.

Phil, I have the 110v version (old France standard, at the time of the projector), I use it with a transformer that convert to 220v.

One thing I don't like about the projector is that it does not get 24fps, so the 16mm most popular films (even those with sound, if you want to watch them without sound) you see a little 'slowed down.
Even the films (silents) that shot in 24fps with my Krasnogorsk3 16mm are seen slowed down.
Instead the version of Dom should have an interchangeable wheel for the 24fps speed.

Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on August 27, 2018, 08:51 AM:

Indeed, you just have to put the belt on the other pulley to switch from 16 to 24 fps. If you have a 35 mm lens, you're lucky, they come often with a 40 mm one.

Posted by Luigi Castellitto (Member # 3759) on August 27, 2018, 11:04 AM:

Ah, true, just move the belt, instead I remembered that you had to replace the pulley. Very comfortable, like this.
Instead, on the silent version the pulley is unique, there is only one, I remember we talking about it. [Smile]

I found the 35mm lens at a very affordable price, it's a good Angénieux 1:1,5. Also of 20mm I have an Angénieux 1: 1.5, the company has created lens specifically for these projectors.

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