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Posted by Claus Harding (Member # 702) on October 20, 2019, 12:37 PM:
Here we go...first batch from Number 20. Bear with me if there are slight gaps in my postings, but they'll all get there.
You do the usual: after I have posted, someone put a quick note as response so all the posts can stay in one thread.
You know the old saying about how "When one door closes, another opens"? Well, that's what happened to CineSea this time.
I can't have been the only one who had a 'sinking feeling' when I read Doug's initial e-mail about how our old faithful Ocean Holiday hotel had been sold to be renovated, and that the hunt was on for new accomodations. Thanks to Doug and to Lou for his legwork, we wound up almost right across the street at the Shalimar:
A lovely hotel with great staff, the same room rates, pool and a heated enclosed meeting room :-) Now all we had to do was get to work and fit ourselves in to the new environment:
Windows had to be blacked out:
...and our screen frame, coming with us from the Ocean Holiday, had to be assembled:
That's the start. More to come.
Posted by Janice Glesser (Member # 2758) on October 20, 2019, 12:45 PM:
Can't wait to see more Claus Looks like a great venue. What did you use to blackout the windows?
Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on October 20, 2019, 02:03 PM:
(Sorry Janice, I could not resist )
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on October 20, 2019, 04:06 PM:
Thank you Claus! What a great start.
The Franchetti's get all the credit for finding the Shalimar. When Lou called to tell me, I was ecstatic since I really thought CineSea was done for, at least this year. I drove out that weekend to check it out and thought it was perfect.
Janice, I'm not sure exactly what material Joe Greisbach kindly brought with him on Thursday. What worked well was that it wasn't 100% opaque so that we had a decent general ambient light level while still able to project in the room during the day. Huge thanks to Joe and to everyone who came in a day early to help with the setup.
Our previous space had a 10' tall ceiling....exactly the height of our screen's frame. The new room has a height of 9'. The 1" conduit pipe had to be cut down and a cross bar added to keep the screen fabric taut. This worked out well.
Posted by Claus Harding (Member # 702) on October 20, 2019, 08:04 PM:
Gary Crawford and I had arrived on Thursday, and more people had made the same decision, to extend the week-end and make the most of the event. Of course, when Gary and Shorty Caruso get together, you have to keep an eye on them. Small wonder Mr. Boland looks worried...
As Doug mentioned, the screen was just a little taller than the room:
...however, with some trimming of the pipes...
...the screen fit as if it had been made for the space. The hotel was very accomodating in removing some ceiling lamps to allow for as clean a throw as possible:
Come Friday morning, a tradition: the early birds went for breakfast in Cape May at Uncle Bill's
After this, it was back to the hotel for the real setup to start.
More next time.
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on October 20, 2019, 09:24 PM:
Now I have this craving for pancakes......
Posted by Claus Harding (Member # 702) on October 23, 2019, 10:54 AM:
Time to get everyone and everything in place:
With the new space, we still had two absolutes: the big screen and the throw distance, and the "island" where the Super-8/16mm/35mm machines would sit for the main screenings. Little by little it came together:
Shorty Caruso got going on his 8mm film history table:
We figured out a good efficient layout for all the tables so everyone could be comfortable and able to move around. Gary Sloan started setting up:
Meanwhile, people were arriving. Jason, our long-distance traveller from Japan, joined us again:
...and it was time to catch up on contact info and life in general:
Gary got a comfy corner for his Pageant and his Super-8:
...and Geoffrey started prepping the 35mm:
More to come.
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on October 23, 2019, 11:18 AM:
There is always so much to bring in and set up. If only CineSea could be longer. More on that thought later....
Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on October 23, 2019, 01:55 PM:
Geoffrey's 35mm projector looks amazing!
Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on October 23, 2019, 02:18 PM:
Janice, at the 9.5 convention in Harpenden (UK) last Sunday, the Windows were blackouted with black cloths held with shower rods (like this : https://www.manomano.fr/p/tringle-pour-rideau-de-douche-reglable-aluminium-couleur-blanc-reference-05778-7286914?product_id=7558620)
Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on October 23, 2019, 02:35 PM:
In the USA Joanne's Fabrics sells window blackout by the yard. It works great, NO light gets through it.
Posted by Janice Glesser (Member # 2758) on October 23, 2019, 03:18 PM:
Thanks Dominique and Paul. Good to know
I'm starting to recognize faces each time I see the Cinesea photos. What a great group of attendees!
Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on October 24, 2019, 09:05 AM:
We're an interesting bunch! -Many very different people. It's hard to generalize other than to say we all love film!
What's nice about is after twenty of these we've formed kind of a community, and every time has the feeling of a reunion.
I loved the Ocean Holiday: it was far from the perfect venue, but after a while it became kind of like an old pair of shoes: either it adapted to you or you adapted to it and it was comfortable.
-Yet, it is nice not wearing a jacket to Saturday Night Show!
Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on October 29, 2019, 05:07 AM:
Posted by Claus Harding (Member # 702) on October 29, 2019, 10:40 AM:
Getting things set up also meant putting up our logo and some beautiful foam-core-mounted posters:
...and then it was time to start digging in bins, talking and screening:
One of the more amazing offerings this time was a big collection of Standard-8 silent classics, everything from Stroheim to Fairbanks. If they had been in Super-8 or (heaven forbid) 16mm, I might just have gone a bit crazy, since that's one of my areas in film:
Gotta check the prints. Why not with a cellphone:
The hallmark of a showman: whether it's on a tabletop or in an auditorium, a good presentation is a good presentation...
...the right angle of screen and projector, a sound processor and a mixer to maximize the limited frequency range of 16mm, a pair of small but suitable speakers and a decent print. Voila, miniature cinema. I can vouch for the little Da-Lite screen, having had one for decades; they are incredibly convenient and compact:
Somehow, there are always some films you've just got to take home:
These images on display are a good reminder that "we are not alone" at CineSea. Along with our friends in Britain and elsewhere, every show helps keep the flame alive. We can argue over many things, but not over the basic idea that we are (here it comes again...) custodians of both home-release films and, increasingly, also of cinema films:
More to come. A bit slow in processing and posting this time due to work, but we'll get there.
Posted by Mike Spice (Member # 5957) on October 29, 2019, 11:02 AM:
Thank You so much for taking the time to post these photos.
A) I am so envious I couldn't fly there to enjoy it
B) I am so envious of you guys all hugging and getting together to enjoy cine
C) I want pancakes
A venue that takes out ceiling lights for the projector throw?
bonus, hang on to that venue!
What a great experience for you....
Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on October 29, 2019, 11:03 AM:
The selection was nice this time:
-I not only bought my first 16mm CineSea print, but found it about four friends for the ride home.
What's also nice is we've gotten to know each other and our likes, so at least two people came up to me: "Steve! There's a railroad film on Lou's table!"
-and yes, there was: nice one too!
Posted by Claus Harding (Member # 702) on October 29, 2019, 11:05 AM:
Mike, start saving for the next one. We'd love to have you, and then you could have pancakes
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on October 29, 2019, 11:57 AM:
Just when I got over that pancake craving....
Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on October 30, 2019, 08:59 AM:
Congratulations to all responsible for what was clearly a very enjoyable event. The initiative and skill shown in reducing the height of the screen was impressive! A floor to ceiling picture would worry me a little, though, unless it's possible to avoid sitting behind anyone else.
I wondered who made the Blackpool 2018 display, as that's a superb piece of work? If two film collecting events were ever 'twinned', CineSea and Blackpool would appear to be the obvious ones, although I'm guessing that CineSea visitors experience warmer coastal temperatures!
Posted by Joe Caruso (Member # 11) on October 31, 2019, 08:45 AM:
Adrian, that collage was courtesy of David Lucidi, a top technician in the field and a truly caring individual. I had given him the materials and he created the fine tribute - More photos when I come there again and, I earnestly wish some of you chaps would come over here and we would have a bilateral event of it. We'd all have a fine time of it - Next one is April, the weather is fairly mild and a splendid time would be had by all - Cheers, Shorty
Posted by Claus Harding (Member # 702) on November 04, 2019, 10:20 AM:
As you may recall from the forum, the vote was put up for the Friday Night Feature at CineSea well before the event. This time around,"The Blob" was chosen, to be screened in 16mm. More on that in a bit:
As always, looking at gear was fun. When you want to go "wide", the Rectimascope lens (owned by Gary Crawford and others) is a fine choice. The mount fits the hole on the Elmo St-1200...
...and the lens, although stout, sits nicely on the machine:
...and there you go, Super-8 scope ready for action:
Steve Klare and Jack Cleveland, Jack proclaiming his love for all things Lucy and Desi (Jack told me of the wonderful museum in Lucille Ball's home town, Jamestown, NY, where they honor her career.)
Come Friday night, we had a pre-show. A episode of the "Monkees" TV show reminded us that not all comedy dates equally well :-) Still, with Lon Chaney, Jr. guest starring, as always, it's fun to see things you don't watch every day:
Time for "The Blob". This was a new experience, at least for your Trusty Reporter (!), as the film was a "Marco Print". In other words, it was printed to 16mm from a digital source.
The quality was very good. It leads to some interesting philosophizing about film prints, doesn't it? Some might say it's heresy to go this route, while others might simply want a good print, given the state of so many color prints these days. It's truly something new in the hobby:
A great night was had by all, and we looked forward to Saturday.
There will be more...
Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on November 04, 2019, 10:40 AM:
Thanks, Claus !
Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on November 04, 2019, 11:08 AM:
"Marco Print", you say?
I'm shocked! My only reaction at the time was "What a nice print!".
It's not even as if it skated by on a small screen: this is a seriously large screen, especially by the standards of what any of us could ever do at home!
I enjoyed The Blob. I hadn't seen it in so long I forgot it's color. It's really good to go back and give the classics like this a good look on a big screen and appreciate them for what they are.
Posted by John Armer (Member # 4655) on November 04, 2019, 12:20 PM:
Amazing to think that I have been at Cinesea. Well, a photographic likeness of me on the Blackpool 2018 board, but nevertheless, I was there!
Posted by Claus Harding (Member # 702) on November 04, 2019, 12:39 PM:
Next time, come for real if you can
Posted by Joe Caruso (Member # 11) on November 04, 2019, 01:07 PM:
When I get over there next week, I'll re-convince my old mates to pay us a nice visit - Shorty
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on November 04, 2019, 04:09 PM:
quote:Claus, I still don't get it. Does it mean, a new print taken from Bluray/DVD source?
The Blob". This was a new experience, .... it was printed to 16mm from a digital source.
Can somebody let me know how much is the cost for 90 minutes of 16mm (and perhaps 8mm too) and who can do that job ?
Posted by David Baker (Member # 3259) on November 04, 2019, 04:43 PM:
YES , it is a 16mm print " struck " from a Bluray disc .
I know it cost me nearly 500.00 ( USD ) for 1000 feet of 16mm film . But , I enjoy the film .
Recently I had the Overture walk-in music for Roger Corman's " HOUSE OF USHER " made as well as a 30 min. digest of GODZILLA , KING OF THE MONSTERS .
Nice stuff , THE BLOB was very good color , sound , the works !
Posted by Claus Harding (Member # 702) on November 05, 2019, 08:08 AM:
For our Friday screening of "The Blob", Geoffrey ran it using change-over on his pair of Eiki 5500 Xenons, which produce a bright, very stable image. Here they are with the cabling in place:
A special 'thank you' to David Lucidi for his efforts in creating posters and bringing the giant sacks of popcorn for our enjoyment. His daughter seemed to have a great time too; she got to use the hotel pool when she wasn't in watching films with us:
David also brought this strange creature, the 16mm Kalart-Victor model 25. Now, if one were to call a projector design "backwards", that would normally sound like an insult, but in this case, it's the truth. How about a film path that runs from the rear reel to the front?...
...and look at the gate area. The film veers sideways before hitting the pull-down. It's not a projector one would hand to a beginner in the hobby, but, that said, it produced a pretty image, as long as you survived threading it.
We all know what posters can cost when they are in good shape. Here's a fine example of monster-movie art:
"One day, all this can be yours!"...if you collect for as long as Dr. Caruso:
As always, little nuggets from the 8mm past on display at his table:
On we go, in a bit...more to come.
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on November 05, 2019, 08:37 AM:
The Lucidis are wonderful folks and David does so much to help CineSea work as well as it does.
I realize some will balk at the thought of a 16mm print from a digital source, however The Blob looked spectacular. I would never have known....
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on November 05, 2019, 02:56 PM:
quote:Good to know this is possible, I am sure there is no cost different between B/W or Color, isn't it?
I know it cost me nearly 500.00 ( USD ) for 1000 feet of 16mm film . But , I enjoy the film .
If I am using a simple math a 1000 ft = $500 of 16mm, this means the same cost for 2000ft of 8mm. Furthermore to make a 600 ft 8mm digest (30 minutes) will be $150. Will that math correct?
Is it possible to strike 8mm nowadays?
Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on November 05, 2019, 03:33 PM:
Winbert, I think it's not possible on super 8. Keep also in mind that with super 8 you would have to add magnetic stripping and record costs.
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on November 05, 2019, 04:54 PM:
Dominique is correct. That service is only offered in 16mm. If you'd like to continue to discuss this, kindly start a new topic.
Posted by Claus Harding (Member # 702) on November 06, 2019, 11:40 AM:
Where there's film, there's work to be done. Splicing, cleaning, winding...you know the routine:
Of course, some winding requires a bit more horsepower. Geoffrey's motorized 35mm Goldberg winder was definitely up to the task:
His portable (relatively speaking) 35mm projector is always a pleasure to look at, both mechanically and on the screen. Watch your fingers, though; a 16mm might give you a "nip", but a 35mm can cause real injuries if you are not paying full attention when using it:
A new friend joined us, a man known for all he does in restoring and re-issuing 3-D films, Bob Furmanek (right) here with John Capazzo:
As always, the search goes on for hidden treasure...
...or how about cheap treasure? Have WE got a DEAL for YOU!!! 5-dollar prints, how is it possible...
...get them while the gettin's good:
We mentioned popcorn earlier. David Lucidi, being the proud owner of a real commercial popper, always brings these giant sacks for our cinematic experience. We never run out of popcorn...
That's it for this one; more to come.
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on November 06, 2019, 12:50 PM:
Any bets as to which popcorn was more popular?
Posted by Bill Phelps (Member # 1431) on November 06, 2019, 04:55 PM:
Movie style! Nice thread of the event happenings.....I’m hoping to make it to one of these sometime.
Posted by Claus Harding (Member # 702) on November 07, 2019, 10:30 AM:
"An army travels on its stomach"...definitely applies to us too! If you've followed these shows, you'll note the "yin/yang" we have going on:
Friday is the more "formal" screening, doing the feature, but we take it easy when it comes to food, ordering pizza and sandwiches and just enjoying ourselves in the room.
Saturday we go on the town for a real dinner, and the screening afterwards is then an open affair, with people bringing reels of what they wish to show.
It makes for a good combo of the planned and the casual.
Saturday dinner was at a place we knew well: Alfe's:
It's always a bit of a challenge when 'the hungry horde' shows up all at once, but a nice evening was had in preparation for the upcoming night of film:
After dinner, the screening room beckoned...
Two more: The Saturday screenings and a wrap-up.
Posted by Mike Spice (Member # 5957) on November 07, 2019, 10:41 AM:
Thank You for the images
I wish I didn't live so far away!
BZ to all.
(BZ is a Royal Navy signal sent from the Ministry of Defence when something amazing has happened and everyone has done a brilliant job. Bravo Zulu)
You could have posted me some popcorn
Posted by Claus Harding (Member # 702) on November 07, 2019, 10:43 AM:
Mike, thank you.
Maybe next time we can send you a "care package" of popcorn :-)
Posted by Claus Harding (Member # 702) on November 09, 2019, 10:22 AM:
After dinner, the Saturday screening commenced. Beer, wine and soft drinks were procured, along with snacks and some home-made cakes. This would be the "Saturday Mix" of different reels, making for an eclectic evening full of surprises.
Before we started, Doug made a few remarks, summing up our good fortune in having gotten into the Shalimar on such short notice. Also, an announcement was made about a possible other festival, but I will leave it up to the parties involved to talk about that...
Some classic color cartoons are always welcome:
A film, however silly, near and dear to my (Danish) heart: an excerpt from "Reptilicus", the one and only monster movie ever attempted in my little land:
A great-looking "Little Shop of Horrors":
...and "The Addams Family", in keeping with the theme...
How about this one: a sound check film for the Elmo 1200 GS. It couldn't have found a better audience:
...a beautiful 35mm Bollywood trailer in glorious Tech-looking color:
A few more screen shots coming...
Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on November 09, 2019, 10:27 AM:
I'm always impressed by pictures taken during a projection. My caméra doesn't allow me to do that.
Posted by Claus Harding (Member # 702) on November 09, 2019, 10:34 AM:
Thank you, Dominique; I use my Iphone for this, and then crop as needed afterwards. Not ideal, but it is less disruptive than me trying to set up my big Nikon and do it "for real" during the showings.
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on November 09, 2019, 11:16 AM:
There is a scene in Reptilicus where the monster is attacking, crowds are fleeing across the Langebro Bridge and the operator decides to raise the bridge resulting in numerous people plunging into the river below. That man's torment is one of the greatest moments of acting in the history of cinema.
Posted by Claus Harding (Member # 702) on November 09, 2019, 11:36 AM:
The Saturday screening went on.
We enjoyed some Charles Bronson in 1975's "Hard Times":
...some vintage comedy with Patsy Kelly and Thelma Todd:
...and "What's My Line?" with the one-and-only Groucho:
A training film about how to run 16mm film got many laughs:
...and "Mr Bean" in 35 mm was quite something:
It was an altogether terrific evening with a great mix spanning decades of film.
Some last images and thoughts coming up.
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on November 09, 2019, 11:57 AM:
Wonderful! Hard Times is a nicely edited 400' german language digest that I re-recorded into english.
Posted by Claus Harding (Member # 702) on November 09, 2019, 01:12 PM:
With Sunday, CineSea 20 was done. It was a show to look back on for several reasons: we had more attendees, we had a new home at the Shalimar, gotten, seemingly, against all odds...the mood was one of appreciation and optimism, seeing how we had weathered the storm and made ourselves comfortable in the new surroundings.
35 mm has gone from being a one-time attraction to being a regular part of the screenings (a big 'thank you' to Geoffrey for all that work) and we can only expect more wonderful showings in that regard. We can now say that we offer Xenon projection across the board, from Super-8, through 16 to 35.
Just to end, these images. Some stills of us crazies who keep coming to this little seaside town in 'Jersey, all for the love of film. Apologies for anyone (or anything) left out; rest assured you will eventually "make the picture".
A big "Farewell and See You" until CineSea 21 in the Spring; if you haven't been yet, start making plans and come join us:
As always, thank you for looking and reading.
Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on November 09, 2019, 01:54 PM:
You seem Indeed to be more than before. Good news. Thanks for sharing.
Posted by Chip Gelmini (Member # 44) on November 09, 2019, 05:43 PM:
The Bollywood trailer in 35mm
What was the name of it exactly
That music was really good HELP so I can find it!
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