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Posted by Mark Mander (Member # 340) on June 10, 2006, 07:48 AM:
 
On the forum,it is often mentioned the sound sync units from Pedro.Are these units still about?and how much do they cost?I have seen some units on a German website but am not sure about them.thanks Mark
 

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Posted by Mark Norton (Member # 165) on June 10, 2006, 08:37 AM:
 
Mark I got mine direct from Pedro after reading a thread on sync boxes on this Forum. I went for the top of the range one for the GS1200, which exepts external sync as the GS Cresta Interface. I've found all I really use is the crystal 'clock'sync for re-recording my super 8 films. I can't emphasize enough what a difference Pedro's box has made to my collection. Many good films that I didn't show because of poor sound now have DVD quality sound with good separation thruogh my 6 speaker set up. It's hard to tell between the recorded sound and the DVD on most of my re-recordings. But this possibility is not just for the GS1200. Pedro also makes sync units for a few other projectors.
 

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Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on June 10, 2006, 08:46 AM:
 
I'll back-up what Mark Norton just said. Re-recording sound from PAL sources is a dream using Pedro's equipement. I have the basic one for the GS1200 and it works flawlessly.
Pedro will only build on order so you need to contact him through his web page, check the unit you want in the product list and send him an email.
 

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Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on June 10, 2006, 09:30 AM:
 
I hope Pedro will come out with an NTSC version soon. There are quite a few of us who desperately want one!

Doug
 

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Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on June 10, 2006, 11:51 AM:
 
Looking at the pictures he sent to a few of us some time ago, he might actually have the unit (called P1008GS-DDS) ready...
 

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Posted by Mark Mander (Member # 340) on June 10, 2006, 03:16 PM:
 
Thanks for the information,i've just checked out the website.It is for my GS1200 and i have a few films that i would like to re-record the sound on,so do i record through the pulse unit on the projector or the inputs (left and right)if so which leads will i need to do so thanks Mark
 

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Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on June 10, 2006, 04:19 PM:
 
From looking at Pedro's web site I get the impression that the new NTSC unit is now available for sale.

Mark, The sound doesnt go through the sync box but you will plug your audio device straight into the line inputs of the GS. (3.5mm mono jacks)

The sync unit plugs into the ESS socket and is just a means of giving the GS crystal contolled speed at the speed you wish to use. This will probably be 25FPS for Pal DVD's. All the other aspects of the GS are used as normal.

Kev.
 

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Posted by Jan Bister (Member # 332) on June 10, 2006, 07:28 PM:
 
He's got a website?
 

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Posted by Dimitrios Kremalis (Member # 272) on June 10, 2006, 07:43 PM:
 
Here you are http://www.super8sync.com/English/home_e.html
 

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Posted by Jan Bister (Member # 332) on June 10, 2006, 09:14 PM:
 
By George - he's got a website!
 

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Posted by Dan Lail (Member # 18) on June 11, 2006, 12:08 AM:
 
I viewed Pedro's site. Which unit would I purchase to record a new NTSC sound track on my GS-1200? The P1008-DDS or the P1008GS-DDS?

I have corrected a couple of typos above. Hope it makes sense now.

[ June 11, 2006, 11:58 AM: Message edited by: Dan Lail ]
 

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Posted by Mike Peckham (Member # 16) on June 11, 2006, 03:48 AM:
 
Just to add to the praise for Pedros box, even for a relative technophobe like me re-recording using this device is a synch (is that a pun ). I have also managed to edit my copy of Grease (ie leaving just the right number of frames between each 400ft reel which are then mounted on a 1200fter) to be able to show the whole thing in sync with the DVD, thus getting the best of both worlds. Pedros box will keep the GS1200 and the DVD in sync for the whole 1200ft of each of the two reels!

Have to say, it was those amazing synced up shows at the BFCC that inspired me to do this, and the result is soooo satisfying .

Mike
 

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Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on June 11, 2006, 08:33 AM:
 
Dan, I would think the DDS. I have to say that I couldnt see the SS version your referred to?

Kev.
 

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Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on June 11, 2006, 10:32 AM:
 
Kev,

Could you get Pedro to post about his NTSC units?

Thanks!
Doug
 

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Posted by Dan Lail (Member # 18) on June 11, 2006, 11:01 AM:
 
Kev, I made a typo in my post above. I corrected it. Hope it makes sense now.

Right, Doug, Pedro would be a great help on these posts and probably get quite a few purchases.
 

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Posted by Jan Bister (Member # 332) on June 11, 2006, 11:32 AM:
 
Dan, nice job on the spelling corrections. I suppose you changed site into sight and NTSC into NYSC.

(Sorry, lol, I had to! It's all in good fun!)
 

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Posted by Dan Lail (Member # 18) on June 11, 2006, 12:04 PM:
 
Jan, I need a proof reader don't I? I went back and changed it again. I think their was something Freudian in NYSC(NYSE maybe?) and site(sight).

Actually, I had a late niter(nighter :-)) and only one cup of coffee before riting(writing) that post.

Can you say "rubber baby buggy bumpers" real fast?

[ June 11, 2006, 02:00 PM: Message edited by: Dan Lail ]
 

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Posted by Jan Bister (Member # 332) on June 11, 2006, 01:19 PM:
 
Not until the fifth attempt

And I thought How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood was bad!
 

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Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on June 11, 2006, 05:43 PM:
 
Ok now you guys have soted that out between you I still think that Dan needs the P1008GS-DDS.

Doug I will contact Pedro and ask him to maybe clarify thigs on the forum.

Kev.
 

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Posted by Jan Bister (Member # 332) on June 11, 2006, 06:56 PM:
 
FWIW, I agree with Kevin - Dan, the P1008GS-DDS is the one you want.
 

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Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on June 12, 2006, 10:30 AM:
 
Jan FWIW???

Kev.
 

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Posted by Mike Peckham (Member # 16) on June 12, 2006, 12:54 PM:
 
Kev

FWIW = For What it's Worth.

Therefore;

FWIW FWIW = For What it's Worth

Mike
 

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Posted by John Cook (Member # 203) on June 12, 2006, 05:17 PM:
 
FWIW IM ROFLMAO
 

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Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on June 12, 2006, 05:58 PM:
 
Must have been the 30 degree heat in London today making me brain dead.

I have had a reply from Pedro about these units and while he's waiting for his membership to go through he has sent me some text reagrding these units which will hopefully answer some of the questions.

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Only as a quick information:

During my development for NTSC compatibility on request of my US
customers, I had been contacted by the German/French "Lumiere" film
club to offer something for the 16 mm community and show/sell it on
the big trading fair in Waghäusl (close to Heidelberg/Mannheim in
Germany).
As I received a lot of telefone calls and requests even of the German
Elmo repair guy, I interrupted the NTSC developments and created
adaptions for 16 mm projectors, togehter with newly designed sync
controllers that now all have the option to be delivered with NTSC
compatibility.

There are two models of interest:

the first (cheaper) one is the Elmo specific synchronizer, which
"only" outputs a master signal for the internal Elmo regulation. I
called it P1008GS-DDS. The "DDS" stands for Direct Digital
Syntersizer. It is a frequency syntersizer, that can generate any
frame rate at crystal accurancy. You have a small LCD screen which
shows the frame rate with up to 8 digits, f.e. 2.400000 means 24 fps.
With two foreward/backward bottons you can set the cursor to any of
the digits and then increment or decrement it with a dial. This way,
you can adjust the synthersizer to any frequency, even to the exotic
american tv frame rate.
There is also a memory available for 10 preset frame rates which is
not erased with power on reset. So you can adjust 10 of your
favourite frame rates and access them quickly using the memory
positions, just like radio stations on your radio receiver.
When I deliver a unit, I set the memories to 16,666666 - 18,000000 -
24,00000 - 25,00000 - 23,69700 - 21,00000.

the second (more costy) unit is called P1008-DDS and is for all
projectors which work with a DC motor. Prepared interfaces are
available for Bauer 8/16 models. Braun models don´t need any
interfaces for regualtion and Elmo can be connected directly, too.
It is more costy, because these projectors have no regulation unit
in-built like the Elmo has, the synchronizer does the whole job (even
better than the rather simple Elmo ESS circuit can do). The good
thing is, that my regulation system contains a frame memory of in
total 256 frames. So any start and stop delays of the projectors are
fully compensated and it is no problem at all, to control a 16 mm
machine like the Bauer P8 or the Bauer selecton. These machines
receive a user applicable interface board, that senses the rotation
of the projector shutter and reports the number of turns to the
synchronizer. So the synchronizer can slow down or speed up the motor
according to the regulation needs at a certain time. People here do
show thier 16 mm prints with full DVD sound instead of the terrible
optical sound. Other people use the units to control projectors with
full coat tapes or to transform their full coat tapes into CDs or
impulse 1000 Hz-tapes. Everything can be controlled with this units
and we have the perfect bridge to the digital world.

prices: P1008GS-DDS: EUR 299.-, P1008-DDS: EUR 399.-

My next steps in development will be:
1. for active film shooters: a digital flash sound recorder, linked
to the PC contact of the camera, based on a Microtrack 2496 recorder.
2. a Elmo GS1200MO interface, that bypasses the often faulty DDS
regulation of the Elmo. The result will be a much more precise
regulation with frame memory and the possibility to interrupt and
resume projection.

Best regards to all of you!!!

Pedro

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