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Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on May 13, 2008, 09:25 PM:

Well...these are not mine but it seems there are a lot of really great titles. Unfortunately the seller does not give a description of the quality...only the plot!
Here it is:

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZiamqueeg

Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on May 13, 2008, 09:57 PM:

Quite a list! Thanks for letting us know.

Posted by Claus Harding (Member # 702) on May 13, 2008, 10:18 PM:

What I don't get is the '2 reels' bit in the description. Since we are not talking about a 2-by-400ft edition, can we assume that titles like '2001' is showing up on, what, 2 1600ft Super-8 reels (just doing the math in my head)...think not, although that would be nice.
Might be time to ask the seller a question or two.

OK, as a follow-up, I sent a couple of questions to the seller about whether these are in fact full-length prints and what the quality might be. We shall see... [Wink]

Claus.

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on May 13, 2008, 11:02 PM:

I put this post up because so many times you hear about an auction AFTER the fact! I know people don't want to start a bidding war but we are all friends here. [Smile]

(Aren't we?) [Smile]

Posted by Dan Lail (Member # 18) on May 13, 2008, 11:38 PM:

Bidding war? Why, I wouldn't even hurt that fly. [Razz]

Posted by Jan Bister (Member # 332) on May 14, 2008, 12:03 AM:

Caught you stepping on that spider just now, Dan! [Razz]

Posted by Gary Crawford (Member # 67) on May 14, 2008, 08:18 AM:

The guy with the films answered by questions by saying he didn't have a way to check them. They are on 12 inch reels....and that there is a full money back quarantee. that last part is good...and shows good faith.

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on May 14, 2008, 08:43 AM:

That is great news. Now nobody bid on "Rebel Rousers" please.
[Smile]

(That is a joke of course...!!!)

Posted by Chip Gelmini (Member # 44) on May 14, 2008, 09:21 AM:

No way to check these, and 12 inch reels?

Folks, we need pictures before bidding.

Are you kidding me?

Posted by Jan Bister (Member # 332) on May 14, 2008, 11:16 AM:

Well, it's eBay after all - this is one of those times where you could get incredibly lucky and score a mint feature for a few dozen bucks. Or win a bidding war and find it was all for naught.

I asked the seller about 2001 - A Space Odyssey, btw... he said it came on two reels, again 12" in diameter. So these must be 1200ft reels, which means either there are reels missing or this is a 2-hour cut-down of the feature. Anyone know if such a cut-down exists?...

Posted by Tony Stucchio (Member # 519) on May 14, 2008, 07:42 PM:

Why did the seller list this under projectors and not film?

Posted by Brian Hendel (Member # 61) on May 14, 2008, 07:51 PM:

Wow - that list is almost too good to be true... wish there was more info on the quality of the prints before I go crazy bidding.

Posted by Chip Gelmini (Member # 44) on May 14, 2008, 08:34 PM:

There are two things that bother me about this.

1. Most of those titles listed have always been available as digests, and hardly ever in features that I know of.

2. When the seller can not check the product to be sure, we need pictures.

I once bid on an auction labeled as two optical films on cores. I don't recall there were pictures. The seller could not check the print, yet his business name was a projector shop.

I bid high by proxy, and won. The box arrived, and these were two identical prints. One print was smaller than the other because it was missing a reel. And the missing reel was present on the other print that was complete. And furthermore, I already had an earlier copy of this movie with much better color. So I kept it as chopped leader as needed and still have alot of it to use.

My experience tells me what I have told everyone else here. If there are no pictures and the description is not trusting, count me out.

Chip

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on May 14, 2008, 08:52 PM:

Boy, it makes me even happier that you bid on my print, which is on it's way to you, being that I didn't have any screen shots. I always a little uneasy about selling to forum members, because everybodies measure of "Fade" can be different, so i hope you enjoy the film.

Posted by Chip Gelmini (Member # 44) on May 14, 2008, 09:35 PM:

Hi Osi

Buying from a forum member is different and I would make the exception. Because we could ask questions and have a feeling of trust that questions and answers would be honest and that fair and reasonable return policies could be agreed upon should there be a difference after item is sent/received.

Having written that, I often suggest that "all sales are final" whenever I sell something because I don't want these kinds of headaches especially if the box is going international. I also feel that, buying something used condition is being stuck with it regardless.

The auctions in question in this folder or another one is much different, and anybody can say anything in that case.

And yes, if you ever have something I am interested in, I'd buy from you again. What I really would like to find is a copy of the earthling and I know you have it, but I do not need a second copy of the Golden (YORT) Seal. If you would like to work something out for the Earthling as a single print, talk to me!

CG

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on May 14, 2008, 10:09 PM:

I would buy a print provided that the seller would take it back if the item was not in good condition or if I was unhappy with the print. I know many of the marketing prints that he has were released as full features. He sounds legit to me and the fact that he will take back the films means I will bid.
Chip, you should have told me you wanted the "Earthling". I just gave my full length print away to a fellow Super 8 collector for free. And before I sold it I watched 2 reels. Actually thought they were faded when I held it up to the light but when projected the colors were still very nice.
Trying to keep the hobby moving along! [Smile]

**Now who bid on "Rebel Rousers"? [Mad]

(Just joking!)

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on May 14, 2008, 10:48 PM:

Sorry Chip, that auction is for two prints together, plus a print of "Hoppity Goes to Town" for free. It's got the dreaded "pinking" and so I couldn't in all good conscience sell it seperately, but for 50.00 dollars for all three films, that's pretty good.

That Earthling print just has a slight browning, not too bad at all, but i understand not wanting yet another print of "Golden Seal".

Yort Yort Yort!

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on May 14, 2008, 10:50 PM:

Sorry Chip, that auction is for two prints together, plus a print of "Hoppity Goes to Town" for free. It's got the dreaded "pinking" and so I couldn't in all good conscience sell it seperately, but for 50.00 dollars for all three films, that's pretty good.

That Earthling print just has a slight browning, not too bad at all, but i understand not wanting yet another print of "Golden Seal".

By the way, I'm always very wary of return policies as well. Anybody, no matter how good the print is, could watch it a few times over a day or wto and then just say, "Hell, I'll send it back and get my money back, haha!", and then you, the seller, are SOL.

These days, almost everything I'm selling, I'm actually selling for someone else.

OH MY GAWD!! I've become an actual seller and I didn't even realize it!!

(Now, if I could just get CHC or Derann to send me prints for me to test and review, hee hee!)

Yort Yort Yort!

Posted by Keith Ashfield (Member # 741) on May 15, 2008, 03:39 AM:

Marketing Films did release "Airplane", "The Longest Yard", Rosemary's Baby" and "The Godfather" as full length prints, back in the early 1980's. I remember hiring these from Deranns' film library.

Posted by Jan Bister (Member # 332) on May 15, 2008, 09:49 AM:

I'm very, very tempted to grab that print of "Airplane!" ... even though it brings me right back to spending money I don't have. But with that return policy the seller's offering... oh my God... temptation is overcoming me... *trembling* must ... resist ... urge ... gGAaaaAAaAAHhHHhh!!

Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on May 15, 2008, 10:26 AM:

My feature print of "The Godfather" (and from what I understand, other prints of this title) have a definite brown tint. Similar to sepia but without the red.

Doug

Posted by Chip Gelmini (Member # 44) on May 15, 2008, 11:19 AM:

Here is a vendor on Ebay selling some 16mm films. Notice how he has done these pictures. Looks like he used an overhead projector and took a digital snap of that said image. Nicely done.

http://cgi.ebay.com/16mm-THE-ODD-COUPLE-WHERS-GRANDPA-1972-Paramount_W0QQitemZ270236717171QQihZ017QQcategoryZ63821QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Posted by James N. Savage 3 (Member # 83) on May 15, 2008, 12:25 PM:

I agree Chip!

That is an excellent way to show the true condition of a used film.

I noticed something strange on one of the seller's other 16mm film prints. The Mary Tyler Moore Show- Viacom- there are four still shots from the film. Three of them are almost completely red. But one has perfect, like-new color. I've never seen such an extreme difference of quality in a single print.

James.

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on May 15, 2008, 07:07 PM:

This reminds me of Dan lail's auctions, (and hey, I don't get any freebies for plugginh his occasional auctions). I have never seen such great pictures from actual prints than on His auctions, and he doesn't doctor them either. I have seen that
doctoring in the past, and unless you have a trained eye, you can be fooled, (you know, the use of assorted filters to enhance color.

Even if I don't bid on his stuff, I love to view his auctions.

Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on May 15, 2008, 08:17 PM:

"I have seen that doctoring in the past"
This can be a tricky area as there are times when I've taken a screenshot of a seriously faded print for eBay use, and found that the colour and contrast on the photo looks significantly better than on the print!

Posted by Chip Gelmini (Member # 44) on May 15, 2008, 09:15 PM:

I don't know why, but the same thing happened to me a few years back.

I was transferring old 8mm movies owned by my brother in law, Jack. The movies had been shot by his father many years ago. I ran the projector to a table top screen, then had my camcorder set to the screen. The camcorder did the conversion from film to video. I passed it through the camcorder and sent it line in to a vcr on the tv system.

While I monitored the transfer between 8mm table top screen (faded) and the TV screen, the TV screen had much better color of the same image. Some kind of color correction happened during the process and I have no clue.

Chip

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on May 15, 2008, 10:45 PM:

Re the print of "Marry". I can see that there are some possibilities:

1. The frames are totally from different lab process (the selller took the shoots from different reels which have different stock or/and lab proess). It can be seen that the white background of the 3 pictures are the same, so there is no possibility of different on bright/contrast/re-colouring process. While the white backgrounds are the same, we can also see the sprocket side of the reddish ones are purplish. So it can be Eastman

2. He just simply took two different films.

cheers,

Posted by Jan Bister (Member # 332) on May 16, 2008, 11:51 AM:

Chip, it's really simple: your camcorder automatically adjusted the white balance which, as you correctly guessed, rebalanced the colors.
As a photography buff, I'm surprised you didn't figure that out yourself. [Eek!]

Posted by Brian Hendel (Member # 61) on May 20, 2008, 08:48 PM:

I can't believe I won three of the six films I bid on from this seller! I was sure I was going to be outbid... I am a little scared (no photos, quality details) but that money back guarantee clause is making me relax a bit. Someone said he's offering that, right?! I won 2001 (for only $125), Straw Dogs (for $60), and Barbarella (for $70, my favorite movie so I needed a second backup print). I'm amazed all his incredible titles didn't go for higher. I have been looking for 2001 for ages and am VERY curious to see what this print is like. I'll report back after I receive them.

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on May 20, 2008, 08:59 PM:

I hope someone here won Saturday Night Fever! I bid on it but was outbid. I didn't want to go too high because every print I have ever seen has been warm. Except maybe Paul Fosters? But its $350 US.... [Frown]

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on May 20, 2008, 10:15 PM:

I tried for "The Stranger" (Put in a bid at the last few seconds twice as high as the high bid, but apparently, whoever wanted it, wanted it more than I), but didn't get it. Oh well, I'm sure another print will show up.

Hopefully ...

Posted by Jean-Christophe Deblock (Member # 792) on May 21, 2008, 05:01 AM:

Hi Alan,

I have a print of "Saturday Night Fever" and the colors are not warm. If you want, I can sell it to you. But, I don't have found the last reel (reel n°7 with +- 100ft , last sequence and end titles ). In place, I've put the last sequence of the 3x400ft featurette.

If interested, let me know what.

Regards,

JC.
jc (dot) deblock (at) scarlet (dot) be

Posted by Del Phillipson (Member # 513) on May 21, 2008, 10:15 AM:

Who won what then ? I bid on 10 items and won 3 (I was the highest bidder on "Straw Dogs" but twas not to be [Eek!]

) I did win the "Selznick Years", "Grease" and "The Longest Yard" though. Was kicking myself I didn't bid more on "Thats Entertainment", "African Queen" and "King Creole", but you can't win em all [Smile]

Posted by Keith Ashfield (Member # 741) on May 21, 2008, 10:25 AM:

Like you Del, I was the highest bidder on "The Godfather" and "African Queen", but unfortunately dropped off to sleep just before the auction finished and missed both by a couple of dollars. Drat, drat and double drat!! [Frown]

Posted by Del Phillipson (Member # 513) on May 21, 2008, 11:24 AM:

Unlucky Keith, can't believe you dropped off, hehe, I had been reading up until midnight and could feel myself dropping to sleep so I got up and played around on the PC till the auction started. I think if I had have been bidding in pounds I would have bid more, but 60 or 70 dollars sounds more than it actually is. Still, I'm happy with my lot (just hope the quality is ok), Del.

Posted by Daniel Isenschmid (Member # 396) on May 21, 2008, 02:58 PM:

I won Top Hat, Touch of Class, Flying Down to Rio and King Creole. I used to have a copy of Touch of Class and the colors were very good. I hope they will be here as well. I have a print of Top Hat but is was on a blueish color stock, so I hope this will be better.

Del - I hope Selznick Years works for you. My copy was pretty faded. Grease should be great as it was printed in Germany on low fade stock (at least mine was).

Brian - Great price on 2001. I had a copy at one time that was a bit faded - but even so, it would have been worth more than $125. The print of Straw Dogs is edited to 85 minutes - but is a great editing job.

Keith - I have a print of The African Queen listed on the forum:

Film List

I used to have The Godfather and the colors were not that good even to begin with. (They were better on The Godfather, Part II).

Anyway, I think the fact the films were not listed in the Cameras and Photos section not 8mm film category affected the final prices.

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on May 21, 2008, 04:05 PM:

And that is why I posted them! [Smile]

Posted by Keith Ashfield (Member # 741) on May 21, 2008, 04:54 PM:

Thanks for that info Daniel. If I don't "strike lucky" at the BFCC and find "African Queen" there over the weekend I may be in touch. Regards, Keith

Posted by Del Phillipson (Member # 513) on May 22, 2008, 08:38 AM:

Thanks Daniel, I think we should all be ok, it seems to me that the collection is from a big collector (some of the titles are very rare) and the fact that all the films seem to be on 1200ft spools tells me they have been looked after (my glass is usually half full) anyway the first person to receive anything, please give us all a review, I await fingers crossed. [Smile]

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on May 22, 2008, 08:59 AM:

I'm just curious, who won "The Stranger". I went up as high as 89.00 dollars (an outrageous sum for a black and white film, at least, coming from me) in the last 22 seconds, but apparently, somone wanted even more than I. I hope it wasn't one of those price fixing "one up bidding" programs. Now THAT'S shameful!

Posted by Chip Gelmini (Member # 44) on May 22, 2008, 09:25 AM:

Now that the auctions are over, did anyone here win a feature? Have you received it yet? Was it as described? Or did you get taken?

Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on May 22, 2008, 10:14 AM:

A huge round of thanks to Alan Rik for letting us know about the auctions, when he easily could of kept quiet and won them all at a low price (which is something I'd have probably done [Big Grin]

).

Doug

Posted by Brian Hendel (Member # 61) on May 22, 2008, 10:40 AM:

Chip - I'm still biting my nails waiting for my three features. I will report back as soon as they arrive which will hopefully be soon! Brian

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on May 22, 2008, 11:43 AM:

I just hope for everyones sake they all get nice, clean, and colorful Gorgeous prints with nice Kodak Brown Prestripe!!

Posted by Brian Hendel (Member # 61) on May 24, 2008, 11:46 AM:

Wow... My big box of films just arrived and I am about to have a great weekend checking my prints. My big surprise already came with 2001. It's not on two 1200' reels as it was described but three! That means it's the full feature... and reeling a little of the film out, the color does not look that bad. I'm in super 8 heaven!

Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on May 24, 2008, 12:17 PM:

Brian,

You deserve some good luck after suffering through your GS-1200 woes!

Doug

Posted by Brian Hendel (Member # 61) on May 24, 2008, 12:43 PM:

I agree Doug - Luckily my GS is just back from Leon to play all these 1200' reels... I'm watching 2001 right now and it's amazing ... just a little warm with no major scratches or problems, yet... but it's a long film to get through before I know the whole print is good. I thought it may have been a scope print when it started and I got even more excited- but it turned flat right after the credits. Will report more later... Brian

Posted by Del Phillipson (Member # 513) on May 24, 2008, 12:44 PM:

Brian, I'm getting all excited now, trouble is I've got to wait another 3 weeks for my delivery [Frown]

Posted by Brian Hendel (Member # 61) on May 24, 2008, 01:47 PM:

Del - Sorry you have to wait a little bit - but from the looks of my prints it will be worth it. I was nervous about the films having lots of wear because the way they are all in the same cans, it appears they used to be part of a library. They are shipping from Ithaca which is a big college town so I'm assuming they were part of one of the student film libraries... that's just a guess. But I'm watching Barbarella now and again there are no scratches yet. Color is a little warm on this print too... but then again none of the Marketing features look great these days, do they? Haven't checked Straw Dogs yet... will get to that tonight hopefully.

Did someone on here win Rosemary's Baby? I got outbid on that and am wondering how the color is... mine is pretty washed out and was looking for an upgrade.

Posted by Del Phillipson (Member # 513) on May 25, 2008, 01:28 PM:

Brian, agree with the Marketing comment, I have been very lucky thus far, I have Saturday night fever, The longest yard, The Prophecy and Escape from Alcatraz as 3x400" cutdowns and the colour is very good on all of them, fingers, toes and anything else that is crossable will be crossed [Wink]

Posted by Brian Hendel (Member # 61) on May 25, 2008, 02:21 PM:

Del - Yes,it's very rare to find a Marketing print with good color. The cut-downs are holding up much better. However, the Barbarella feature I just got is getting better reel by reel color-wise... not sure why the first one looks more off. I think it's because her fur lined spaceship has a red tone so it was throwing me off! Plus, I don't want to rub it in, but the Straw Dogs" print is pretty gorgeous... with rich deep color and seamless editing down to 85 minutes.

Posted by Joe Taffis (Member # 4) on May 26, 2008, 10:40 AM:

I'm waiting for A STAR IS BORN, which I got for under $40.00 including postage. It's supposed to be on 2X1200' reels. Just hoping the color is decent. This feature was listed a little later than the others. I wonder if there'll be anymore? Brian, not to get off the subject, but how did you make out with that Derann print of THE MUMMY that had the defect? Oh, and THANKS to Alan Rik for the alert!

Posted by Brian Hendel (Member # 61) on May 26, 2008, 12:52 PM:

Joe - Derann checked out the Mummy negative for me and it appears it's been damaged so all the prints are similiar at this point. Gary was nice enough to give me a little credit and I believe the title has been withdrawn because of the problem. It's still worth getting however since it's a gorgeous print besides the rolling white line on reel four which isn't enough to ruin it.

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on May 26, 2008, 01:07 PM:

Gee I really hate to say it...but there is a copy of "Freaks" in 16mm with this same seller..I don't know how rare in 16mm but super rare on Super 8mm. The last one went for over $400 years ago!

http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-Tod-Browning-1932-Classic-Cult-Film-FREAKS-16mm_W0QQitemZ300226041929QQihZ020QQcategoryZ151720QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

But this one may sell high....its in the right category!

Posted by Del Phillipson (Member # 513) on May 26, 2008, 01:28 PM:

Brian to say you don't want to rub it in, your doing a very good job [Big Grin]

I didn't really want that one anyway, honest [Wink]

It does look like all the super 8 stuff has gone, it's now all 16mm.

Posted by Brian Hendel (Member # 61) on May 26, 2008, 02:33 PM:

Del - OK, I don't feel guilty about getting Straw Dogs then... but I must admit it's a tricky film to show to an audience. Any woman would be horrified/offended by that rape scene. I forgot how intense and controversial it was/is.

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on May 26, 2008, 05:53 PM:

Boy, I'm going to watch that, just to see how high it goes.

Does anybody know just how many prints of "Freaks" there was on super 8?

Posted by Del Phillipson (Member # 513) on May 27, 2008, 06:07 AM:

Brian, that's why it was banned in the UK for a long long time.

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on May 28, 2008, 12:13 AM:

Freaks ended at $408...almost the same as the Super 8 version. Its a classic!

Posted by Del Phillipson (Member # 513) on May 28, 2008, 03:40 AM:

Wow, somebody's not feeling the credit crunch.

Posted by Gary Crawford (Member # 67) on May 28, 2008, 09:07 AM:

I've been away at the Columbus Cinevent. Brian asked about who got Rosemary's Baby...and that would be me. It's odd, but my print has not arrived so I can't report on it yet. I'm glad you other folks were reasonably happy with your prints.

Posted by Del Phillipson (Member # 513) on May 28, 2008, 10:12 AM:

Gary, I think only Brian has received his up to yet, but reading between the lines I think the forum members won quite a lot of the features on sale and we are all waiting (us brits longer than others [Frown]

). Del.

Posted by Brian Hendel (Member # 61) on May 28, 2008, 02:34 PM:

Gary - Glad I know who got Rosemary's Baby now! I'm very curious about how it compares to my print which is a bit washed out compared to the cut-down and the letterboxing changes shot to shot which is really annoying. Please report back after you watch it.

Posted by Joe Taffis (Member # 4) on May 28, 2008, 05:09 PM:

I received my film A STAR IS BORN on two nice ELMO 1200' reels. The description said there were some splices, so I attached a new leader (which was missing) redid about five splices I found on the first reel, ran it through some FILMGUARD, and ran it. Although the color was a little faded, it was still pretty good. Excellent clear sound and no lines or scratches, and it ran rock steady with a good sharp focus. The only problem was that it wasn't the film described...it's the 1937 version starring Fredric March!!!! [Big Grin]

Posted by Brian Hendel (Member # 61) on May 28, 2008, 05:38 PM:

I remember thinking that I had never seen the Streisand/Kristofferson version of A STAR IS BORN as a feature on super 8 before. I guess that's becaue it doesn't really exist!

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on May 28, 2008, 06:47 PM:

In my opinion Joe, you got the much better version of "A Star is Born", the modern version, (in my opinion) was a pale comparison to the original,

considering that I'm a big Streisand fan, that's saying a lot.

Posted by Joe Taffis (Member # 4) on May 29, 2008, 05:29 AM:

you're right Osi, it's a great film, so I wasn't too disappointed, although I won't be keeping it in my collection. It's now on six 400' reels and will be sold.

[ May 30, 2008, 06:39 PM: Message edited by: Joe Taffis ]

Posted by Brian Hendel (Member # 61) on May 30, 2008, 10:47 PM:

Just got through the last reel of my 2001 print. The color seemed to get better and better as the film went along and the black space looked nice and black - not washed out and faded. I'm so thrilled to have this classic film in my collection.

Does anyone know which distributer released this feature on super 8? Was it a Ken release? I don't remember seeing it advertised in any of my catalogs. I seem to remember a photo of the film coming in a large plastic case with nice artwork, but now I'm not sure. Since it's on 1200' reels now there are no clues. Thanks for any info...

Posted by Paul Spinks (Member # 573) on May 31, 2008, 08:40 AM:

Hi Brian,
yes you are correct. 2001 was released by Ken Films in those great plastic cases with the great artwork. It is interesting that though you see a lot of those Ken Features coming up for sale, very few are still in those cool boxes. I wonder what happened to them?
Best wishes,
Paul.

Posted by Brian Hendel (Member # 61) on June 02, 2008, 09:10 PM:

Gary - Don't forget to report when you get your ROSEMARY'S BABY feature... still curious about the print quality.

Posted by Del Phillipson (Member # 513) on June 04, 2008, 01:28 PM:

Get my films on Friday, Gordons decided I don't pay enough TAXES as it is and wants some more of me before I can have them delivered, I have to take my hat of to the man, he certainly knows how to shaft the masses [Mad]

Posted by Joe Caruso (Member # 11) on June 04, 2008, 04:28 PM:

Hi Alan, let me know if you sent the 50' can or box - Thanks from Shorty

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on June 04, 2008, 10:30 PM:

Me thinks Del is peeved!

Now I'm almost happy that I didn't win "The Stranger", and I still don't know who won it. I'm thinking that it must be someone that's not a member of this forum.

Why that's immoral!

Posted by Gary Crawford (Member # 67) on June 05, 2008, 08:12 AM:

I received the print of Rosemary's baby and it was brownish....odd print. Most brown prints don't carry green's or blues...but when this print does have blues and greens..in some cases very strong blues and greens...but the overall tone is still brown....almost as if it was printed on the brown side to start with. Sound is excellent. One problem...it came on two 1200 foot reels which were overflowing.....so I had to break it down to three reels in order to show it. Still...it was in good shape..and watchable....and since it's a very rare print, I didn't think 90 dollars was too much. I had not seen the film since it opened theatrically so many years ago..so I was very caught up in it again. I had forgotten about William Castle's cameo appearance.

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on June 05, 2008, 09:54 PM:

Gary, it seem your Rosemary's print similar to the other Marketing's prints, i.e Godfather 1 & 2.

They are very sephia. I would think we should blame on the negative they had.

cheers,

Posted by Brian Hendel (Member # 61) on June 05, 2008, 10:35 PM:

Gary - It sounds like your Rosemary's Baby print is very similiar to mine. Does the aspect ratio chnage every so often - when it switches from outdoor to indoor scenes and reel to reel? I find myself adjusting the framing control a lot. Who cares. It's still one of the best film's ever made so some minor quality issues really is no big deal.

Posted by Del Phillipson (Member # 513) on June 06, 2008, 10:38 AM:

Mine have arrived this afternoon, just cleaned "The Selznick Years" with filmguard (it was well dirty) and am watching it tonight [Smile]

, I will report on it tomorrow and the others, as and when watched, Del.

Posted by Chip Gelmini (Member # 44) on June 06, 2008, 11:01 AM:

Brian

Your issue with adjusting the framing often is common human error, but in the mastering of the said print. No matter what projector you run the print on, it will happen, although some machines might be less flexible than others.

In the years I was a projectionist, I often found the film claw movement on projectors off center. Rather than have a built in film claw typical of super 8 or 16mm, the 35mm has an intermittemnt movement assembly located just above the bottom film gate loop. And rather than be just a film claw, this is a true sprocket wheel that is built in to a cam shaft and star wheel.

To adjust the frame, the frame knob slides this assembly up and down much like you do the claw on your machine.

There is a point where this assembly should always be set: on the center position. Equal to up and down maximum.

When the print goes out of frame, the quick adjust and less distraction is gained when the assembly has been centered.

Common error in the theaters is the operators do NOT reset this to the center between reels or shows. And the very next time there is a frame adjustment, they run out of room. Example: You're in the cinema the picture is out of frame. They try to go up but can't so then they go all the way down. Had this assembly been on center position, they could have gone either direction one time only.

With this said and assuming you understand this, I believe the same problem to be in the optical printers from which the 35mm positive print is run to make the negative, then the negative is struck to your super 8 print.

If the intermittent assembly on the 35mm projectors, positive or negative are adjusted to the center and the film is threaded properly in frame, I think your problem should not be an issue.

I am not experienced with optical printers, but based on in the cinema, just taking a guess.

While writing this and reading through this topic, I saw Joe Taffis comment on his Star Is Born print. It's not the version he wanted. This is my point with this seller, or any seller who doesn't know that much about the item being sold. The buyer can and should ask qwuestions....but what good is that when the seller doesn't answer or answers the question by avoiding the issue. In my opinion, any seller who doesn't have film to test a projector, or who doesn't have a projector to check the print, can not be trusted.

I'm pleased most of you are happy with your purchases. But had I bid and won, I know I'd be disappointed on a few of those titles in that said auction.

Chip

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on June 06, 2008, 12:02 PM:

Many of those releases were rare and having them in some form is a great thing. Especially when they are in the wrong section and do not go for much money. [Smile]

Doesn't everyone here have a less than optimum print that you are keeping just because its the only way to see it on Super 8? I have "Once Upon a Time in the West" 3 x 400 cut down. It is a little warm but still ...I love seeing it and it was very cheap!
Glad that for once the majority of the films purchased was from this group! [Smile]

Posted by Jan Bister (Member # 332) on June 06, 2008, 05:06 PM:

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Now I'm almost happy that I didn't win "The Stranger", and I still don't know who won it. I'm thinking that it must be someone that's not a member of this forum.

Would it be fair to say that a stranger won this feature, then? [Big Grin]

Posted by Del Phillipson (Member # 513) on June 07, 2008, 12:47 PM:

I can gladly report "The Selznick Years" was excellent, I did intend to watch the first 5 minutes just to check it out, but ended up watching all of it. The quality is first class and couldn't honestly say I noticed any fade whatsoever, the colour in places was outstanding and the picture was nice and crisp [Smile]

all in all 1 very happy collector.
Had a quick 10 minute look at "Grease" (after Filmguarding it) and again the colour seems to be first class, there may be a very very slight tinge of warming (who know,s because these day's virtually all prints show some signs), all I can say is that if the rest is as good as the first 10 minutes, I'll be delighted [Smile]

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on June 07, 2008, 10:13 PM:

BLOODY HELL JAN!!!

I hope that the print of "Stranger" is messed up! It should have went to a forum member ...

... and yes, as a forum member, I feel a little elitist!
How can you feel that you are serious about Super 8 without
being one of us lads?!

It should be said, this whole series of posts and the
subsequent won auctions by many on this forum shows just one
of the great plus's to being on this forum. Though I didn't win on the three I was biddin on, without the alertness of one
certian forum member, none of us would have had the chance to
win these in the first place!

Bravo Fellow Forum Members!

Posted by Joe Caruso (Member # 11) on June 16, 2008, 12:11 PM:

Hi Alan, Thank you kindly for the 300' cans, but I really need the 50' and 100' cans in metal or plastic - Send as you can, thanks, Shorty

Posted by Gary Crawford (Member # 67) on June 16, 2008, 12:56 PM:

Yes, Brian....my Rosemary's Baby did change ...sometimes scene by scene....and not just a printing error or framing error...but it appeared to be a conscious planned thing. Maybe without some masking at various places, microphone booms or something may have shown. Have same thing with my Derann print of Goldfinger...not terribly distracting, but interesting. And I agree with you, Rosemary's baby is a compelling film....even when you know the story and how it all comes out....etc. There's just something about the way it's presented and acted.

Posted by Del Phillipson (Member # 513) on June 21, 2008, 12:51 PM:

finally watched the "Longest Yard", it wasn't too bad, showed signs of fade but still watchable, got better as the film went on (either that or I just got used to it) "Grease" was excellent throughout with booming sound (so much better than my previous print) so all in all one very happy collector. Just one last point, a BIG BIG THANKYOU to Alan for sharing the info with us all (if you ever come over to the UK, a pint of Guiness is yours) cheer's, Del.

Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on June 21, 2008, 06:33 PM:

I am so glad that the prints you have found are good! (For the most part). And Guinness is great! [Smile]

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on June 21, 2008, 10:51 PM:

I bought from Joe Taffis the print of "A Star is Born", that he won from this same bloke that you all won off of.

The print is okay. Not absolute perfect color, but I knew that going into it. The print is slightly over-exposed in some scenes, and so I'm guessing that perhaps this print didn't have perfect color to begin with.

Cracking film, though! I had never actually seen it in fact, and so the ending really did take me off guard and was quite
moving!

Posted by Jose Artiles (Member # 471) on June 22, 2008, 04:14 PM:

My print of " I MARRIED A WITCH" arrived yesterday,its a wonderfull print,great black and white and great density and grey scale,booming sound and no scratchs,im very glad [Smile]

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