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Interesting to see those 3 screenshots from my own personal print, photographed and posted by myself in an entirely different thread, used to advertise your own ebay listing.

Nice.

Thanks.

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What?
Are those screenshots from the print on auction, or not?
 

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Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on November 17, 2011, 05:05 PM:
 
No. They are screenshots that I took from my own personal print.

They are posted in other threads on both this forum and Small Format Film Forum.

They were posted in good will and have been used on other Star Wars related Websites.
 

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Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on November 17, 2011, 05:07 PM:
 
Well, Osi, I guess you should state that in your description, my friend.
 

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Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on November 17, 2011, 05:18 PM:
 
Michael, I see you've revised your post on the Small Format Film
Forum.

I will too.
 

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Posted by Mal Brake (Member # 14) on November 17, 2011, 05:36 PM:
 
This is confusing. Below is the actual quote from the description on Ebay

The photo's are taken from this very DERANN release of this print! Note that the photo captures, while nice, do not show off how very sharp this print is.
 

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Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on November 17, 2011, 05:48 PM:
 
http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=005948# 000000

http://www.savestarwars.com/starwarsonfilm.html
 

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Posted by Bill Brandenstein (Member # 892) on November 17, 2011, 10:22 PM:
 
So "taken from this very release" is not the same as "from this very print." Subtle.
 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on November 18, 2011, 12:41 PM:
 
Rob ...

I honestly didn't know those were yours personally. I probasbly would have known if I continued to scroll down on the "Save STAR WARS" site. I think it said that someone else had, but it didn't use the name.

However, the print I have on auction is flawless, (except for that one splice I mentioned to you folks) and those photo's definitely represent the image quality and condition of the print. Just for all of you folks knowledge, I did not get the screenshots from this forum, but the "Save STAR WARS" site and, unless he has a disclaimor on that site that states that the sceenshots cannot be used from his site, they are public domain in my opinion, nor do they mis-represent the print.

Nor is it "subtle", inferring that I am somehow trying to rip off people. Nothing could be farther from the truth. I do not have the ability to take screenshots, unfortunately, but attempting to rip off the public has never been my way of life and I and my wife do take that "slam" personally. It's inappropriate. Save that kind of stuff for the real thieves.

OSI
 

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Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on November 18, 2011, 01:15 PM:
 
Sorry, Osi, but your description does lead potential buyers to think that the shots are from the print you're auctioning.
I don't think anyone is implying that you're trying to rip people off - just that in your own interest it might be better to reword your description.
-Mike
 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on November 18, 2011, 01:30 PM:
 
Just to let folks know, my wife went back on ebay and revised the listing a little and even encourages folks to go to the "Save STAR WARS" website to see more shots.

I understand where your coming from Micheal, but I'll be damned if someone will impugn our integrity.
 

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Posted by Joe Taffis (Member # 4) on November 18, 2011, 03:50 PM:
 
My integrity is offended by being referred to as a "postal ape"
 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on November 19, 2011, 12:32 PM:
 
I refer to the workers who take no care with what they handle, and I've seen too many video's over the years of the "care" some postal workers use, in fact the "samsonite gorilla" was more kind with the luggage, (anybody remember those commercials?)

I'm sure that your top notch, Joe.
 

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Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on November 20, 2011, 03:04 AM:
 
Osi, indeed there is nothing to stop anyone from using those screenshots for their own use (although what Lucasfilm might think is something else, but we're all guilty parties there!)

However, they were requested in the original thread for use on a specific website and subsequently used on the Saving Star Wars website with this introduction;

"Below are thirteen rare photographs of a Derann print being projected. These were posted, at the request of Adrian Winchester on my behalf, by an owner on an 8mm message board. They are just low-quality photographs of a screen, but I think the sharpness and vibrancy still is apparent:"

I personally think that is a little different from using them to adverstise a print for sale, especially with the wording of the original ebay description, which I do think suggested that the images were from the print on sale.

However, you say that wasn't your intention and I have no reason to doubt you.

To me, the original description and use of the screenshots just looked a bit, well, cheeky! Nothing more, nothing less. Hence my rather "cheeky" reply on the Small Format Film Forum. That's the extent of it and I'm not suggesting anything else.

Hope you can appreciate to some extent where I'm coming from...?

Anyway, the description is changed so let's not fall out over it. Let's leave it now..

Genuine best wishes for a successful sale of your print.

Rob.
 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on November 21, 2011, 12:39 PM:
 
I do understand where your coming from.

At any rate, I'm sure that it will sell. When, you never know. An amazing amount of peoploe are actually watching it, (and over 300 have actually just checked out the auction), but rfor all you know, all the people that are watching it, could just be fellow forum members who just want to see if it will sell and how much it will make.

... but when it sells, it will be very much appreciated. 900.00 alone covers our living expenses for three whole months so yes, it will be well appreciated.
 

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Posted by William Mouroukas (Member # 2764) on November 22, 2011, 03:24 PM:
 
Congratulations Osi. Sold at US$1,000.
I would be interested to know what this sold for new from Derran.
 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on November 23, 2011, 01:28 PM:
 
I forget what the actual price was back then, but it was a good number of months to save up for it.

Yes, the most unique Ebay sale yet. I recieved a question saying that a fellow around the Idaho Falls area of Idaho was very interested and would be passing thorugh town and asked if he could visually see the print ...

Always eager to run a print, I said yes and he came over, I screened about five minutes of reel one. he was quite pleased, got on his cell phone qand did the "buy it now" option and paid me a thousand cash! (yes, I made sure the bills were real! You always have to be careful, he was legit!).

Although I will still have the average ebay bite in the future here, I actually ended up with a little more money than usual out of this, though I will be curious as to how much of a bite ebay will take on a thousand dollars.

Sheesh, too bad I couldn't had this extra cash a couple of months ago for that Cine-convention!
 

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Posted by Gerald Santana (Member # 2362) on November 23, 2011, 01:49 PM:
 
Hey Osi,

Congrats on the sale! eBay will take nearly 10% so, it will still be about $900+ dollars for you and family.

Here is another nice, rare print that went for a lot more recently however, on 16mm:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/16mm-Film-SONG-SOUTH-DISNEY-RARE-IB-TECHNICOLOR-/270825728821?pt=US_Film&hash=item3f0e78ab35
 

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Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on November 23, 2011, 01:53 PM:
 
Nice sale, Osi. I gotta say though, if I was actually there and in a position to see the print projected I would want to see a bit more than 5mins of one reel for $1k.

 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on November 23, 2011, 02:01 PM:
 
Since I don't have a 1200ft reel capacity (and this had merely been in storage on 1200ft reels since I already have my first day print on 4X600ft), I had him hold the 1200ft reel above my Eumig 926 stereo on a thick ink marker, while I held the scope lense in front of the camera (he came early, had little time and I needed to improvise), his arms started to get tired after about five minutes, otherwise we would have went longer, but he certainly was able to see the quality.

I'm sad to actually see that print go, but the thousand takes some of the sting away and it was my extra print. The "keeper" is that first day print, in mono but the balance stripe is the commentary's from the DVD, so that was my print to keep.

By the way, we may now have another future super 8 collector! This is a fellow who simply collects STAR WARS and so he wanted to actually have a celluloid copy of his cherished film ...

who can blame him?
 

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Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on November 23, 2011, 04:07 PM:
 
So will the buyer now need to buy a projector and scope lens if he wants to run it at home? If he becomes hooked, that will be good news for sellers of other Star Wars items on 8mm!
 

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Posted by Bill Brandenstein (Member # 892) on November 24, 2011, 01:02 AM:
 
Congrats, Osi. And last time I saw "Song of the South" on eBay, it went for over $6,000, the most I've ever seen a film sold for.
 

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Posted by Gian Luca Mario Loncrini (Member # 1417) on November 24, 2011, 01:22 AM:
 
Also congs from me, Osi!
 

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