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Posted by Ricky Daniels (Member # 95) on May 13, 2012, 01:21 PM:
PAY ATTENTION NOW!
The 13th could be lucky for you!!
I've just spent the weekend sorting through boxes of films that have remained unopened since I moved house almost 5 years ago! I know!!
Anyway to my surprise I have unearthed a German Super 8mm Feature Length print of STAR WARS: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK that's been painstakingly re-recorded in ENGLISH STEREO by non other than ex.BBC Film Editor and Super 8mm guru Mr Keith Wilton.
It's mounted on 2x 1200 foot spools, it's CinemaScope and LOW FADE Colour.
Okay now I know this is a much sort after title so to be fair I'm giving all those who wish to purchase this film an equal opportunity to add it to their collection.
Therefore in order to do so I am accepting EMAIL OFFERS ONLY on this title, the highest offer made over my personal £900 reserve price by Sunday 20th May 2012 will secure this feature film and STAR WARS: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK will be theirs.
Interested collectors should email their offer to rickyd2001 (at) hotmail (dot) com and substitute the bracketed words with the relevant characters, it's done like that to elevate spam emails ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
In your email subject field please enter THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK followed by YOUR OFFER ABOVE MY RESERVE .
This is not a title for bargain hunters ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
so sensible offers only please above my reserve and good luck to you all.
The lucky bidder will be contacted on 21st May 2012
Exciting stuff ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
All the Best,
Rick
[ May 14, 2012, 03:16 AM: Message edited by: Ricky Daniels ]
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on May 13, 2012, 02:31 PM:
Wow! My print (on ebay) is a great deal compared to yours, (being over 1,400.00 US dollars at 900.00 pounds!)and much more exceedingly rare...
But I wish you the absolute best in selling it! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posted by Adam Deierling (Member # 2307) on May 13, 2012, 03:47 PM:
Finally the one I'm looking for! Sadly Way too much money ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
Posted by Ricky Daniels (Member # 95) on May 14, 2012, 09:28 AM:
Wow! Nice plug for your own eBay sale there Osi, though not quite true being originally listed for way more than this STEREO SOUND & LOW FADE print...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Empire-Strikes-Back-scope-feature-Super-8-color-snd-RARE-/320893610187?pt=US_Film&hash=item4ab6bfe8cb
…and not to mention the Buy it Now price!
Anyway thanks for using my sales thread to promote your own sale, nice one Osi!
Posted by Oemer Yalinkilic (Member # 86) on May 14, 2012, 12:47 PM:
How much take CHC for a brand new print of Empire?
More than 900 Pound?
900 Pound = $1449 = 1128 Euro
[ May 14, 2012, 02:05 PM: Message edited by: Oemer Yalinkilic ]
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on May 14, 2012, 01:21 PM:
Hee hee, I couldn't help it, and it doesn't help anyhow, I think were into a phase of, "Hey, I better hold onto my cash, I have no idea what's coming down the pike worldwide" period, and that affects everybodys sales ...
That, and then all those annoying people (well, ,as far as I'm concerned) that hold out and think, "He's going to drop the price, he's going to drop the price!" and then, if you drop the price, they continue to watch, saying, "He'll drop it more, he'll drop it more!
Well, I guess if I was desperate, I probably would drop it, but I'm thankfully not.
It'll swing back around and as far as I my print is concerned, if my music does take off in the near future, I'll take down my auction for "Empire" and place it back into my collection proper, as I really would rather not sell it, and I would still therefore have the most rare of editions of this film on super 8. It isn't something really to part with.
Posted by Adam Deierling (Member # 2307) on May 14, 2012, 03:35 PM:
New prints from CHC go for 500 pounds or so.
Posted by Oemer Yalinkilic (Member # 86) on May 15, 2012, 02:40 AM:
I understand that price for Star Wars and Return of Jedi rise up because you can´t get no more new prints. I also understand the price for Osi`s print but the German Empire prints are still avilable.
Another question, is it allow on this forum to sell something without a fixed price?
Posted by Ricky Daniels (Member # 95) on May 15, 2012, 03:59 AM:
Oemer, Good luck getting a new print struck!
Being realistic this is 2012 and not the 1980's/90's and the way film labs are going it won't be too long before they stop printing altogether as the push to digital delivery continues to gain momentum and film stock prices continue to escalate. That's not an uneducated comment being indirectly employed by one of the world largest film labs who are heavily investing in digital delivery. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Of course anyone wishing to order a print will need to have a 'friend' purchase one as well because 2 prints will need to be ordered due to printing in pairs. And very good luck getting it recorded in to English Stereo and synced to the pre-print material, I recall Keith saying this title is a nightmare to re-record due to irregularities in the pre-print material. ![[Mad]](mad.gif)
Thanks to those offers already received, I’m grateful for your interest but as stated please no bargain hunters, if you think you can get it cheaper then I wish you very good luck in your quest. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
On a different subject following my weekend of ‘unboxing’ I’ve realised I have quite a few Derann Features (many of them brand new or only run once!) that are surplus to my requirements and will put a list together over the next few days.
So anyone wishing to purchase Super 8mm features please drop me an email requesting the list and I’ll mail it out once compiled.
Best,
Rick
Posted by Oemer Yalinkilic (Member # 86) on May 15, 2012, 04:35 AM:
The price difference between a new struck print and your print is not the problem. It´s not fair to make an offer like a auction for the highest bider.
This is on other forums (35mm Forum, 16mm Filmtalk) forbidden.
I´m not sure if it is here allowed.
Posted by Ricky Daniels (Member # 95) on May 15, 2012, 05:25 AM:
Oemer,
I thought I was being fair!
If you want to alienate sellers and limit further the amout of 8mm material available to collectors you are going the right way about it... maybe think on that a while.
Best,
Rick
Posted by Oemer Yalinkilic (Member # 86) on May 15, 2012, 06:32 AM:
Ricky, as I wrote "the price" is not the problem, I think you are not a unfair seller, but this kind of listing is not fair. Why you don´t say a fixed price?
In the past I saw your large sale list and the prices for your prints was ok for every title, except Master and Commander and Return of the Jedi. You do the same like now, not a fixed price, only best offer over 500.
I´m sorry but in my opinion is a forum the wrong place for listing like a auction. In this case is ebay more fair.
Please do not think that I want criticise your price, it is only your kind of offer. Maybe I´m wrong and this is ok for other forum members this is only my opinion and I´m realy sorry if I faulted your sale.
regards
Oemer
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on May 15, 2012, 08:03 AM:
I can see both sides of this discussion,and both have valid points.
Therefore would it not be better if Ricky wants to sell his film for
the optimum price,which he has every right to do,then he can
do the sealed bid routine by offering the film in the "offers in the region of",then if anyone wants it they put in their highest bid,
the film is theirs.It's no different to having a set price and being
"pipped at the post",which used to be a way of life for me.I can't
see why this shouldn't work,it did in the past for me,when the
late Harry Nadler,offered up "When Dinosaurs Ruled The Earth"
IB TECH on 16mm,I put in my bid £50.00 above the start price
and nailed it.So if you want something bad enough,you have to
nail your colours to the mast.
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on May 15, 2012, 12:48 PM:
BOY! You got a deal on that print Hugh! Was the print in great shape? (I know we're a little off the topic, but Hugh perked my interest! Blame Hugh! )
Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on May 15, 2012, 02:14 PM:
Hey chaps, whatever the pros and cons of posting prices or not, it's a little unfair to hijack Ricky's sale thread.
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on May 15, 2012, 02:48 PM:
Hi Osi,refer to your own topic "Yah my new find" to continue.
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on May 16, 2012, 01:07 PM:
I would, but this does not refer to that topic, (snicker) and once again, all the best on selling this print Ricky! (there, right back to the subject!)
Posted by Ricky Daniels (Member # 95) on May 16, 2012, 05:30 PM:
Michael, Thanks for your support and common sense. I see no reasons why anyone would wish to comment on anyone elses sales.
Kindly keep your comments to yourselves if you are not interested in an item for sale, after all would you step in and make disparaging comments on a potential sale in any other sales situation???? How rude if you feel this is acceptable behaviour!
[ May 16, 2012, 07:00 PM: Message edited by: Ricky Daniels ]
Posted by Bill Brandenstein (Member # 892) on May 16, 2012, 09:38 PM:
Hey Ricky, I wish you all the best in your sales, but would you please bear in mind this is a public discussion for anyone in the world to see and chime in! Community is what makes this place fun! So far as the auction-style approach, well, if the moderators don't have a problem with this, then does it matter what anyone else thinks?
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on May 16, 2012, 10:31 PM:
While fixed prices are preferred, we don't delete sales where an offer has been requested. Auctions are not allowed here. Ricky has stated his minimum price and asked for offers above that. He did not say he was going to then list the highest offer made and ask for higher bids. That wouldn't be allowed.
Doug
Posted by Bill Brandenstein (Member # 892) on May 17, 2012, 12:22 AM:
So everything's cool. Thank you, Doug!
Posted by Oemer Yalinkilic (Member # 86) on May 17, 2012, 02:45 PM:
I´m sorry
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on May 17, 2012, 03:06 PM:
Oemer,
There's nothing to apologize for. You were checking policy and as Bill said, you are allowed to chime in!
Ricky,
Best of luck with the sale!
Doug
Posted by Ricky Daniels (Member # 95) on May 18, 2012, 03:23 AM:
Hi Douglas,
Many thanks for your clarification and wishes although it is very unconventional that members are allowed to express opinions on what amounts to a private transaction. If members are not interested in following up on an item listed For Sale that should be the end of it for them, why do they feel the need to make comment, it wouldn't happen in the real world if they were not directly involved in a transaction.
Indeed I am a member of two classic car websites and any member offering a classic vehicle For Sale does not have to endure other members pointing out to fellow members for example the shortcomings of the members vehicle on offer e.g. ‘Not original colours’, ‘Wrong hood mascot for the year’, ‘I have one listed that's cheaper’, etc, etc, it just isn't tolerated and is considered poor form and bad manners. So why is it tolerated on here, public forum or not?
I’ve often felt bad for members who list items For Sale only to see their listing swamped by ridiculous replies from members who have no intention to purchase often to the point where the thread goes completely off topic and the poor sellers item becomes forgotten about.
My feeling is an item listed for sale should be the end of a thread with any further communications conducted in private between the seller and interested member(s), with the seller allowed to add to their listing if further details become available.
I’m strongly considering never selling a film through this forum again. I know for certain that other members have felt the same in the past and no longer use the forum as an outlet for their items due to this type of conduct and as a consequence limiting further the amount of film available to collectors.
Best,
Rick
[ May 18, 2012, 04:30 AM: Message edited by: Ricky Daniels ]
Posted by Thomas Smith (Member # 1889) on May 18, 2012, 04:22 AM:
i must agree with rick, and that also goes for wanted posts
no offers but loads of comments with regards to the post i.e
was it avalable on super 8mm or i have a great print but i
would never part with it ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on May 18, 2012, 09:06 AM:
I feel there is a culture difference here between the two continents.
I remember long time a go there was a Pepsi ad where the actor (I think it was Michale Jackson) threw away a bottle of Coca Cola. For other continent it was seen not right, but in the US it was normal.
I am not from any of these two continents. I am Asian.
But can I advise you to use this forum just like we are having a chit-chat in a bar. Our discussion can go anywhere, eg.
Mr X: I have a jaguar for sale
Mr Y: How much?
Mr X: $150,000
Mr Y: Wooow that is too expensive bro...! the new one is even less.
Mr X: Yeah I know, but this one comes with the original autograph of Ms. Lady Gaga
Mr.Y: O I see..... if I were you I would not part with it
Does Mr Y who is replying need to buy that jaguar ... NO!
Does Mr Y need to shut his mouth.... NO! this is in a bar anyone can talk.
Is only people going to buy that is allowed to respond?...NO!
The only think that I feel not proper is if Mr Y saying publicly "hey his Jaguar is suck don't buy from him".
If we are allowed to make a joke (laugh) on silly Ebay listings, even we have a designated thread for it, why not for other type of listing. Is it because another member listing it then we have to shut our mouth.
Thomas, if you list something for sale and only allow people who is interested to buy to chime in, than no one will make a chat in your thread. Your thread will sink in the middle of hundreds threads and you will keep "bump" your own thread to make it apparent.
Please not that this forum has a rule about bumping own thread.
ps: however if you think it has to be like that, I think you are free to write "PLEASE REPLY ONLY IF YOU INTERESTED TO BUY. FREE TALKERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO WRITE"
Otherwise please appraise other members who replying as a free bumping of your sale.
Rick, I sale my films in Ebay because I knew everyone here has already their own films and more selective. And I got more money from there.
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on May 18, 2012, 12:58 PM:
Winbert, I would have never guessed that you were Asian! You don't think of a name like "Winbert" as being Asian. You learn something new everyday!
I hope you getting good serious offers on your film, Ricky!
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on May 18, 2012, 01:18 PM:
Whatever he is,he's "our Winbert" as we say in the North,and we
love him for it.
Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on May 18, 2012, 01:36 PM:
Geez....is it just me?????
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on May 18, 2012, 05:12 PM:
In my original reading of this thread I thought the question Ricky was objecting to dealt only with whether this type of sale (here's the minimum price, send your best offer) was allowed on this Forum. That is a legitimate question. In re-reading the thread, I see the issue of price of similar features was also raised, which though related, is not the best of manners. Neither is pushing one's own sale of the same title in someone else's thread. Sorry Osi, but mentioning your title is a bargain compared to Ricky's isn't a nice thing to do, especially in his thread. I'm sure you didn't mean it to sound that way, but it does.
Sale threads can go off on tangents like any other thread. Sometimes very useful information about the film arises out of these, and they normally end up back on track. So let's get back on topic. Ricky's print is for sale...send him your offers.
Doug
Posted by Larry Arpin (Member # 744) on May 18, 2012, 05:38 PM:
Unfortunately, this has happened to me. I was just listing a link to my Ebay listing and since the 16mm Technicolor print had multiple splices I got comments like, "I`d rather have the splice free dvd." and "The Derann Super 8 full feature is a much better bet, and so much cheaper."
Here is the original posting:
http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=000524
But yet when I sold it I received this feedback:
"This is now the crown jewel of my collection. Truly a fantastic print! Thanks!
Member id jons*movieshop ( Feedback Score Of 1626Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Oct-23-09 19:01
7th VOYAGE OF SINBAD-Harryhausen IB Tech 16mm feature (#160368846839) US $700.00"
Original feedback is here, about halfway down:
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA PI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller&userid=stopmo&iid=-1&de=off&items=25&interval=0&mPg=28&page=5
Maybe the person who buys Ricky's print will feel the same as the person who bought my Sinbad.
I once offered someone to buy my print of ESB for $1200, as it had sound issues, but once I had it re-recorded by Lance I wanted to keep it. Fortunately, I never heard from the gentleman.
I wouldn't sell it now.
Ricky-You may want to point out to everyone that it is on 'clear acetate' and newer prints would have the yellow base if that is the case. That certainly would be a good selling point.
Posted by Ricky Daniels (Member # 95) on May 19, 2012, 04:34 AM:
Larry and Douglas,
Many thanks for your input and yes this Low Fade print is on 'clear acetate' and not the yellow base of newer prints.
However I do feel that 'For Sale' listing should NOT be an invite for public comment. Any members wishing to help a sellers sale in any way should send their comments directly to the seller.
Put simply an item is listed For Sale and that should be the end of the thread with interested parties directly contacting the seller with their questions.
Wilbert,
Your analogy describes exactly what I am saying, i.e. Mr X and Mr Y are involved in the discussion/transaction and NOT the entire Bar!
Best,
Rick
[ May 19, 2012, 07:09 AM: Message edited by: Ricky Daniels ]
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on May 19, 2012, 08:11 AM:
@Ricky, while you are thanking Larry for his positive input about your print (hence taking a benefit), you rule out not to make any commnet other than an interest to buy on sales thread. Funny huh. To avoid drifting off topic read my further comment in "Sales Thread" at General Yak about Pawn Shop Owner's mentality.
We are a community here. Good luck!
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on May 19, 2012, 01:07 PM:
Now problem Doug and certainly no hard feelings on my part. In fact, I wrote Ricky a PM earlier this week about that very subject, apologizing.
... and, once again, I hope that Rick's print sells.
One thing I'd like to say to the person that posted what a brand new print would cost, that price he quoted, isn't probably including the price of a good stereo record on these prints as well, which does drive the overall cost to the original buyer of the new print up further, at least an additional hundred or more.
By the way, having a non yellowish acetate print of this is great! Even if in a small way, the yellowish cast to the later acetate prints, does distract, and for film lovers like us, even a slight off color print, (especially when buying it brand new, mind you), can really put you off.
Posted by Adam Deierling (Member # 2307) on May 22, 2012, 07:07 PM:
Has this sold?
Posted by Ricky Daniels (Member # 95) on May 23, 2012, 07:53 AM:
...just waiting for payment
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on May 23, 2012, 01:17 PM:
CONGRATULATIONS!!
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