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Posted by Stefano Cacciagrano (Member # 2751) on July 24, 2012, 04:32 PM:
 
Hi collectors, that's a italian collector selling list.
Please contact: alessandro.pulga (at) alice (dot) it

SUPER 8 FEATURES

- IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE (Frank Capra) great american print 2x360 box with artcover, italian magnetic dubbed sound - Euro 200

- TOP HAT 2x800ft, italian magnetic dubbed sound - Euro 160

- 007 THUNDERBALL Derann print - Euro 350

- TEN LITTLE INDIANS italian faded print, with box - Euro 80

- STAGECOACH english print, italian magnetic dubbed sound - Euro 170

- 007 GOLDFINGER Derann stunning print, italian magnetic dubbed sound - Euro 400

- MURDER ON THE ORIENT EXPRESS, Marketing faded print - Euro 80

- DEATH ON THE NILE, Marketing Film, great colors - Euro 200

- EVIL UNDER THE SUN, Marketing Film, great colors - Euro 230

- WHITE ZOMBIE (Bela Lugosi) - Euro 150

- THAT'S ENTERIAINMENT english print - Euro 170

- 007 DR. NO italian lightly faded print - Euro 90

- 007 YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE CHC stunning print, italian/english magnetic duoplay sound - Euro 510

- 007 GOLDENEYE Pre credits CHC scope print, 1 splice - Euro 50

- SONS OF DESERT (Laurel & Hardy) english Blackhawk print - Euro 150

- 15 x digest (TOWERING INFERNO,
SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER, PSYCO, SINGING IN THE RAIN, THE SOUND OF MUSIC...)

- MICKEY'S CHRISTMAS CAROL Derann print - Euro 80

- 20 x trailer from Derann

- Various TOM & JERRY cartoons

- VIDEO KILLED THE RADIO STAR Derann print

Purchases for more films (with subsidized prices) are welcome!

[ July 28, 2012, 02:18 PM: Message edited by: Stefano Cacciagrano ]
 
Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on July 24, 2012, 06:55 PM:
 
PM me the prices of all the James Bond films please.

email sent

Thanks [Wink]
 
Posted by Stefano Cacciagrano (Member # 2751) on July 25, 2012, 05:20 PM:
 
please, email to alessandro.pulga (at) alice (dot) it
thanks
 
Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on July 25, 2012, 05:29 PM:
 
Sent 2 emails . Waiting for response. [Wink]
 
Posted by Roger Shunk (Member # 2836) on July 27, 2012, 06:36 PM:
 
Pat,
Did you ever hear anything back from this guy? I sent emails with no response as well? [Confused]
 
Posted by Akshay Nanjangud (Member # 2828) on July 27, 2012, 06:49 PM:
 
He replied to me.

Goldfinger - 400 Euros
Thunderball - 350 Euros
Dr. No - 80 Euros
 
Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on July 27, 2012, 07:47 PM:
 
I never heard from him. But I want to by Dr No. And possibly more 007. [Wink]
 
Posted by Akshay Nanjangud (Member # 2828) on July 27, 2012, 07:54 PM:
 
Do you understand/speak Italian? Or, will you re-record?

Hey, I want to buy Goldfinger from you, Pasquale!
 
Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on July 27, 2012, 11:35 PM:
 
Akshay

Both!

I all ready have Goldfinger so I won't be buying that one.

[ July 28, 2012, 12:42 AM: Message edited by: Pasquale DAlessio ]
 
Posted by Joe Balitzki (Member # 438) on July 28, 2012, 04:12 AM:
 
Why is it that lists are posted but the sellers do not respond to inquiries? Don't they realize it can cost them sales? And if something is Sold it only takes a moment to type that its no longer available. That type of behavior is not only annoying, its self defeating. Why? Because the film collecting community is small and bad sellers will be Blacklisted by other collectors very quickly! And while I'm at it, members need to read their PMs! It doesn't take long! If the sender has taken the time to write one, why not take the time to read them? If you have time to read the postings here, then you have the time to read your PMs! [Mad]
 
Posted by Stefano Cacciagrano (Member # 2751) on July 28, 2012, 06:31 AM:
 
As I clearly wrote in the post, the films are of a fellow collector and are not mine ... every other day I set the prices.
thanks
 
Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on July 28, 2012, 07:30 AM:
 
Well here's how I feel. As much as I want to buy some of the James Bond films I am not about to beg for them. So since I have not received any responses to my emails or posts you can keep your dam films. There is nothing more upsetting than wanting to spend hundreds of dollars on films and getting no responses. You and your friend are both ignorant for not responding and are not worthy of this forum. [Mad]
 
Posted by Stefano Cacciagrano (Member # 2751) on July 28, 2012, 07:46 AM:
 
pasquale, the film is a hobby ... us during the week we also have commitments with family and work ... if you wait a few days for your answer, nobody died ... I beg you to tone it down and within the limits of kindness, thanks
 
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on July 28, 2012, 09:16 AM:
 
Patience and civility all around, please.

Stefano, please understand that discovering one person got a reply while others did not can be a bit disconcerting.

Doug
 
Posted by Stefano Cacciagrano (Member # 2751) on July 28, 2012, 09:20 AM:
 
hi doug, almost everyone has probably been answered, but you know very well... maybe some collectors prefer to keep the information for themselves and carry out negotiations very private! ... for this I am committed to publish prices within days.
i do not accept the tone of pasquale, in any way
 
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on July 28, 2012, 09:23 AM:
 
I understand. It can also be difficult posting a list for someone else.

Doug
 
Posted by Roger Shunk (Member # 2836) on July 28, 2012, 10:33 AM:
 
Why is this person only responding to a select few and ignoring the others? Apparently he's not real anxious to sell his films so he can just keep them all! Besides you are supposed to list your prices with your films when you post! [Mad]
 
Posted by Joe Balitzki (Member # 438) on July 28, 2012, 10:45 AM:
 
On another Forum which shall remain nameless, sellers have been removed and blocked for such behavior. And on that Forum it is also required that prices be listed. Sorry, but having worked in retail for years, its unacceptable behavior. And in this poor economy, one cannot afford to mistreat customers! The Blacklisting has already begun...
 
Posted by Stefano Cacciagrano (Member # 2751) on July 28, 2012, 10:46 AM:
 
please be patient and calm things...
never forget that the collectors of movie is a wonderful passion and must remain always a pleasure ... if the tones become hatred and envy, combined with exaggerated greed, it is not worth the trouble ... thanks
 
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on July 28, 2012, 11:46 AM:
 
Stephano, we all know what a nice hobby it is, being patronised
and told to keep calm doesn't "cut the mustard".As some of the
other members have already stated,either have the common
decency to answer their mails and place prices with the films.
If these criteria can't be met,then tell your "friend"to bugger off
and bother somebody else!
 
Posted by Stefano Cacciagrano (Member # 2751) on July 28, 2012, 11:52 AM:
 
why you always have this haste and greed? and why you have the assumption that someone wants to cheat you? my fellow collector is simply busy with work and family ... he is not on the internet h24! please do not let me repeat ... more I'm sure everyone will be satisfied soon in negotiations. thanks
 
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on July 28, 2012, 12:00 PM:
 
The simple answer to that question, is that domani never comes,
you are either selling an item or wasting peoples time.I have just
had two months of my time wasted by a dealer, and he wanted to make it three,until i decided enough is enough.So perhaps it
would be a good idea for your friend to put his life,family or
otherwise in order before placing some half arsed ad on the
forum when he has no intention of doing anything about it anytime soon.Greed has nothing to do with it, SPEED on the other hand is of the essence.
 
Posted by Stefano Cacciagrano (Member # 2751) on July 28, 2012, 12:04 PM:
 
I disagree ... I read the arguments above are driven together by greed and excessive speed... soon the prices! thank again
 
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on July 28, 2012, 12:09 PM:
 
Don't hold your breath gentlemen, it's summer and it takes effort
you might get your movies in time for Christmas,providing there's
no distractions.
 
Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on July 28, 2012, 12:43 PM:
 
This list was posted only 4 days ago. I really don't understand how anybody could have a problem here at all. It's one thing to be kept waiting for a matter of weeks for replies but, given that most of us have lives outside the hobby, people should be prepared to wait a reasonable amount of time for replies to any enquiries.

The fact that someone else may have been replied to before you is neither here nor there.

It's incredible that some of you have attacked the seller like this.
 
Posted by Mark Mander (Member # 340) on July 28, 2012, 12:49 PM:
 
I agree Michael,All that will happen on this forum is people won't post there "for sale" items,It's happened already with a few people on here and some quite large lists are not being offered anymore as a result, Mark.
 
Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on July 28, 2012, 01:13 PM:
 
Joe Balitzki said:
quote:
On another Forum which shall remain nameless, sellers have been removed and blocked for such behavior.
Not after just 4 days they haven't!!
 
Posted by Stefano Cacciagrano (Member # 2751) on July 28, 2012, 02:19 PM:
 
post edited with prices. sorry for delay and thanks to all!
 
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on July 28, 2012, 03:08 PM:
 
I too don't see Stefano made a problem. He just posted somebody's else item by referring us to contact the seller directly. If the said seller did not reply you, simply thinking that it was sold and you were not the lucky one.

I too sent an email to the seller and as Pat, did not get a reply. But I don't need to be rush. Films can be anywhere. Man does not live by films alone.

This post goes wrong only because Joe (most likely) thought Stefano was the seller and said the above postings. If he carefully read the post we all know he only passed the information.

Btw if the Goldeneye is not mistyped for the price, No matter it is 1 splice or 10 splices. It is 007.... [Smile]

I TAKE IT !
 
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on July 28, 2012, 03:17 PM:
 
Stefano isn't the seller Michael, he's merely the go between, and
that is where the anomaly lies, why can't the seller advertise
himself,and save a lot of problems,even if he has to join the forum.
Myself, if I place an ad,I check e-mails, and reply and above all keep people informed.This attitude that some sellers adopt of
"well theres no rush" does kind of grate,especially when they want the positive "feedback" I think is the buzzword.If theres no rush,
then send the film,and we'll sort a price later,we'd see a change
in attitude then no doubt.
 
Posted by Joe Balitzki (Member # 438) on July 28, 2012, 03:18 PM:
 
Re: the other Forum - it depends on the seller. Usually within 24 Hrs. of a posting of a list in violation of its rules the post is deleted with a explanation as to why. Then they are told to re-list according to the guidelines. Having their post deleted quickly gets their attention. While rare, there have been instances where banning or blocking was done quickly.
 
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on July 28, 2012, 03:27 PM:
 
Just a point,nobody,especially Winbert seems to be interested in what kind of filmstock these films are printed on.Why's that?
 
Posted by Joe Balitzki (Member # 438) on July 28, 2012, 03:44 PM:
 
@Winbert: Hey! Don't shoot the messenger! I was posting in response to Pat Ds post. It was a blanket statement. I am not one of the potential buyers who made an inquiry. There are many people on the different Forums who are wonderful to deal with. Sure, people have a life but failing to respond to several inquiries just breeds ill will. If you aren't going to list with prices, then you don't do it! And naturally, a new list is going to generate inquiries so if you can't be bothered to set aside the time to reply then don't do it! Its just common courtesy and good business. And most people check their e-mail daily if not several times daily unless there is a family emergency or illness. I understood the content of the postings very clearly. And this Rush nonsense! Anyone knows that shipments from overseas take time. When you walk into a store you expect to see the prices posted. If a item is out of stock, you expect to be told so. Sure, you can assume that a film has been sold if you don't hear from the seller. But really now, how long does it take to reply to a inquiry?
 
Posted by Mark Mander (Member # 340) on July 28, 2012, 03:56 PM:
 
Hugh,
perhaps the seller doesn't speak English as i would guess he's Italian being a friend of Stefano,Mark.
 
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on July 28, 2012, 04:01 PM:
 
Hugh, not everyone is interested joining the forum. The resons can be various starting from the unavailability of the internet, and the most common one is language barrier. Most Germany and Italian collectors don't join here because of that reason.

On the other hand, I too see latey many members joining this forum actually have been in the hobby for years, although they can speak English. So there must be many resons.

Therefore, this seller one of these guys and so asking Stefano who is a member to do on his behalf.

Joe have you ever been flooded with many emails at the same time? i do for another business. It is too hard to answer all emails if the item is no longer available. But the most important to know that in this kind of situation sometime email server filter the certain emails by putting to junk folder resulting the seller did not read it. Maybe because the server curios that his email is attacke by spammers.

So there many reasons that should calm us down. It is ONLY films.

Joe,.... You go to 16mm sales section and there is very similar situation there between Moussa (non member), Leon (member) and Mike W (member). That is even worse now. Be a messanger there, give your advocate.

Here is still very light situation.
 
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on July 28, 2012, 04:04 PM:
 
That's a good point Joe,and just to pick Winbert up on "man does
not live by films alone",that is very true Winbert,but then I don't
carry records of them on mobile phone,to remain in touch with them.What I do expect,is that when an email is sent with an
enquiry to purchase,a speedy THAT DAY reply to be sent,it's
not as though the postal systems are involved at this stage.After
all this is the digital age.If I as a potential buyer,must be slotted
in sometime when it suits the seller,then I would rather do without and spend my coins somewhere else.The purchaser too has an outside life.
 
Posted by Joe Balitzki (Member # 438) on July 28, 2012, 04:19 PM:
 
All valid points and a most interesting thread to be sure. Yes, I have had a full inbox. So I type a response, copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into the reply of each inquiry till all have been answered. And no, I am not going to play Devil's Advocate on the 16mm thread. I'd rather watch a film [Smile]
 
Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on July 28, 2012, 04:28 PM:
 
Listen, chaps. The list was posted FOUR DAYS ago and you're attacking the guy for non-response???
You can try to rationalise this any way you like - it'll still be nothing more than over-reaction.

There's more to life than the tiny group of people on these forums.

Hugh:
quote:
What I do expect,is that when an email is sent with an
enquiry to purchase,a speedy THAT DAY reply to be sent...

- I would suggest you're in the wrong hobby. Many sellers are from an older generation who do NOT check their email every day.

You're suggesting that anyone who has a list of films to sell should arrange to leave everyday commitments behind for the few days following posting his or her list, in order to be able to deal with responding to emails?
That ain't real life, sir.

quote:
The purchaser too has an outside life.
Then, the purchaser should get on with his or her outside life, and not let it revolve around the purchase of a film print and whether or not they receive an immediate reply from a seller.
 
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on July 28, 2012, 04:40 PM:
 
I think on the 16mm thread Joe,the misunderstanding could be
resolved as it turns out Leon has been very ill,which accounts
for his disappearance suddenly from the forum,and I'm sure we all wish him well.That is a valid point that Mark and Winbert make
on the language barrier.Strange though that Stefano hasn't been asked about acetate,estar,what number stock it is etc Why?
 
Posted by Joe Balitzki (Member # 438) on July 28, 2012, 04:43 PM:
 
@Michael: Quite right! But this is what we talk about when we are having a High Tea! You will excuse me now while I prepare some Bird's Custard... YUM! Now don't get your knickers in a twist; I am quite fond of our fellow UK collectors! [Smile] And Hugh's wife makes delightful finger sandwiches for a High Tea! [Smile] Hugh, is the projector threaded and focused? Because the teapot is about empty!
 
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on July 28, 2012, 04:58 PM:
 
Michael,are you saying that the older collectors don't know
how to display the simple courtesy of a reply,I suggest that you
haven't dealt with that many older collectors sir,the older
collectors that I have dealt with in my time,had the item in the post that day sir.Don't try and make excuses for bad manners
and I think some of the older collectors on this forum would take umbridge at the suggestion that they aren't on the ball.Some
of us do treat people with respect,especially a prospective
purchaser.
 
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on July 28, 2012, 09:09 PM:
 
Stefano was kind enough to post the list, and the seller (Alessandro) should have been prepared to deal with responses in a timely manner. Not necessarily within a 24 hour period, however to keep a prospective buyer waiting for over three days is too long.

But to respond with threats and insults is unacceptable. Let's drop the vitriol.

Doug
 
Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on July 28, 2012, 10:51 PM:
 
Vitgriol? What's that a new multi-vitamin? Or a substitute for viagra? [Confused]
 
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on July 29, 2012, 12:20 AM:
 
Hugh, if it is a print from CHC or (later) Derann, no one bothered to ask the stock as they are known mostly to be in good quality

Joe, not everyone is a computer savy, and not all people thinking to use clipboard or notepad to draft an email. In fact, I believe 99% from us writing a post in this forum or replying email direct on the net.

I know computer so if I were you I even had more sophisticated way in dealing this email floods by setting up an email selling address (i.e an email used only to sell something) separated with my daily email. When my item is no longer available, i just make an automated reply saying "sorry the item is no longer available". So whoever send a querry about the item after it is sold will receive the same reply.

(this somekind an automated reply mostly used to say "sorry I am not at the office but if you are in emergency please email xxxx@xxxx.com).

So no need to use clipboard and send many times.

But my point is not there, but more inviting members here to understand that beside being lazy to reply, there are many conditions that can avoid a seller to give quick reply to all querries, as follows:

1. First and foremost, he does not have an internet connection or even more does not bother to have a computer. Do not expect all people are interested with technology.

2. He has a computer an internet connection but it is on slow internet connection, so only replying based on the most priority email.

3. His email server (provider) is the one slow to upload (e.g hotmail), although he has fast bandwidth but still get slow because of the email server.

4. He use internet only through cellphone or in roaming area. So replying "sorry it is sold" will cost him money. Peolple live in rural area must deal with this or use VSAT if he/she has more money for speedy connection.

5. He does not speak English at all, so must use more brain to reply (I'am not an English speaker so understand how is this problem). Remember not everyone in this earth can speak English.

6. Some emails, include yours, go to junk folder so he is not knowing your email, hence no reply

7. (again I should state this) Item is sold. Ask yourself if you put a hot item on Craiglist or Kijiji and the item is of interest hundreds people. You got a hundred emails while the item has been taken on day one. Will you bother to reply the other 99 emails? If the answer YES then you are a good seller but again there are 6 other reasons above that you need have to underatand. If the answer is NO then you are the same person like me, i.e a good seller but has another important job to do outside this hobby PLUS you understand at least there are 7 reasons why a seller did not reply your email [Smile]

Have a good day, and I have a public outdoor screening tommorow. A report will be posted with photos.

Cheers,

[ July 29, 2012, 07:29 AM: Message edited by: Winbert Hutahaean ]
 
Posted by Gian Luca Mario Loncrini (Member # 1417) on July 29, 2012, 02:04 AM:
 
I personally think the whole thread is quite... funny. [Wink]
 
Posted by Mark Mander (Member # 340) on July 29, 2012, 02:45 AM:
 
Me Too!! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on July 29, 2012, 03:11 AM:
 
quote:
and I think some of the older collectors on this forum would take umbridge at the suggestion that they aren't on the ball.
Oh, take "umbridge"(!) my ass!!!

Go read my post again and show where I stated anything other than that older collectors may not read their email every day.
 
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on July 29, 2012, 04:40 AM:
 
Michael,if people are selling an item,end of story,there is no excuse
for keeping people on a string.All these excuses that Winbert and yourself are
coming with,are cover ups for lazyness.Ebay,for all it's rules and
regulations make the seller do what all the good sellers have been
doing for years.Respond.
 
Posted by Mark Williams (Member # 794) on July 29, 2012, 04:53 AM:
 
Lol!!
 
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on July 29, 2012, 05:31 AM:
 
"Lots of love" Mark,....... and we haven't been introduced!
 
Posted by Joe Balitzki (Member # 438) on July 29, 2012, 06:13 AM:
 
Winbert, I am aware of the computer suggestions that you made but have not found it necessary to use them. But I am glad you mentioned them as others may not know about them. I can see how some think the thread is funny as well. But of course, disgruntled customers don't feel like laughing. And I have never known any that weren't ticked off. I lamented in General about bad sellers in response to Pat's post. Pat has 40 years of Retail experience and I have 20. We know the meaning of Customer Service and that its just plain Good Business. What is good about the thread is the exchange of information which discourages bad sellers from continuing their practices. Privately, those that have had problems with sellers are exchanging information which is to be expected. But its not going to be posted publicly for obvious reasons. Now I must get back to inventorying all the prints in Doug's Secret Underground Vault...
 
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on July 29, 2012, 07:18 AM:
 
quote:
for keeping people on a string.All these excuses that Winbert and yourself are
coming with,are cover ups for lazyness.Ebay,for all it's rules and

So from 7 valid reasond that I wrote you summarize them as being lazy?

What about with the reason of "people don't bother to have a computer" compared to "people don't bother to have cellphone/mobilephone? .....something I have ever heard in this very forum.

Is this also summarized for being lazy people?

BTW, ..... Not meant to expand the discussion, just my curiosity. Seeing from the buyer side. What is the percentage of buyer will bother to reply "no thanks the price is not my range" when received a reply from a dilligent seller? I think the answer is very low and most of us leaving the seller with a big question mark if we continue with the sell or not [Smile]

Honest to answer.... Very few.
 
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on July 29, 2012, 07:20 AM:
 
If you need any help Joe,when I can find time away from these
bloody Bond women,I can help you divide them up.
 
Posted by Joe Balitzki (Member # 438) on July 29, 2012, 07:26 AM:
 
Ah, but if prices are listed with the titles buyers aren't going to tell the sellers "no thanks the price is not my range".
 
Posted by Mark Williams (Member # 794) on July 29, 2012, 07:37 AM:
 
No Laugh out loud Hugh,I'm finding this thread very amusing and have to agree with Mike that people take this eBay business way way too seriously!
 
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on July 29, 2012, 07:39 AM:
 
quote:

Ah, but if prices are listed with the titles buyers aren't going to tell the sellers "no thanks the price is not my range

As I don't mean to expand the debate, I can say that I am with you with the price listed on every sale price (and Stefano later did this in this thread btw). In fact this one was also a hot debate which was strayed by Mike O' Regan's suggestion to list the price. If you opened that thread, I was in the front line to encourage that and to support Mike's idea.

But still when the price is listed, many buyers do not give a reply when he/she found another terms of sale is not as the buyer expactation, eg color apparently has faded, shipping is apparently high, some splices, or the most always taking place:

When the buyer offers to lower the price and replied by the seller "no the price is firm" or "I can lower the price to $xxx not to the amount you asked"....... very litlle buyer will reply "Ok then, no thanks".

Honestly I am right, am not I?
 
Posted by Joe Balitzki (Member # 438) on July 29, 2012, 07:43 AM:
 
Mark, where is your Dustbin located that you throw your old worn paper money and jewelry in? I will be only too happy to empty it for you...
[Razz]
 
Posted by Mark Williams (Member # 794) on July 29, 2012, 07:47 AM:
 
Ha ha Joe [Smile] [Smile]
 
Posted by Joe Balitzki (Member # 438) on July 29, 2012, 07:59 AM:
 
Hard to say Winbert because if a seller says the price is firm, many will feel there is no point in replying. Why would they if nothing will change? Usually the seller lowers prices after a time if items are unsold. So they won't accept lower offers. Of course, some sellers will negotiate right from the start but not many. Why would they when if they wait someone else may make a purchase? If a seller doesn't say "$XX or Best Offer/Make Offer" its unlikely that they will accept lower prices especially if the item(s) have just been listed.
 
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on July 29, 2012, 08:11 AM:
 
Winbert,in my case I am still the new kid on the block regarding
computers,in the days of yore,before you were born,people used
to write letters,I myself was an avid letter writer,mainly to 8mm
distributors, badgering and imploring for a couple of films which
I myself loved and was certain would be good sellers, to be given release, and it came
to pass,they were put out on 8mm and did sell well.The point is
that those people took the time to reply to me,even Hammer Films!
I was just an enthusiastic collector,but they responded to my
queries.Likewise with private sales, people replied.That was in 1970.Today,we have the internet,mobile
phones etc, replies are so simple on this very forum with
pictograms, one click does the trick .People are in the main lazy and all this techno crap
is making them worse,reclliner chairs,remote controls.In my
day you got off your arse and changed the channel!
I still side with Joe and Pat on this issue,I myself haven't sent
any enquiries in to Stefano,but I am still smarting from the
slipshod treatment I have received lately from an advertiser,who
after an inordinately long period still hadn't got around to
despatching my order.If you have something to sell,then at
least tell people if it's there or gone, Joe & Pat have SIXTY YEARS
of experience in sales between them to draw on, and I for one respect that and it's time you did.
 
Posted by Mark Williams (Member # 794) on July 29, 2012, 08:38 AM:
 
I just noticed a mega rare print of The Projected Man has been withdrawn from sale on eBay due to a private sale,who is the buyer then??
 
Posted by Keith Ashfield (Member # 741) on July 29, 2012, 09:12 AM:
 
I have been on "both sides of the fence", buyer and seller and I must point out, from my experience, that it is not always the seller who is at "fault" with the "lack of response".

I have listed "prime titles" on both forums (with prices I might add) and have received a "lot of interest" from potential buyers - some to the point of saying "Will you hold the film for me?".

Then you hear "nothing"...... You send out "chase up mails" just to clarify the "situation" - you get "read receipts" but no replies!

You also mention this fact on the forums, stating a "deadline" for replies before listing them on Ebay - still no replies from the "potential buyers"!

The "potential buyers" missed out on cracking prints of rare titles and I ended up having to pay Ebay fees when the films were sold (which they were, with no fuss whatsover).

In the end there were no "clear winners" in the situation other than the Ebay buyers who bought the prints. The ironic thing was none of them were "forum members"......

As they say "There's nowt so funny as folk" [Smile]
 
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on July 29, 2012, 09:36 AM:
 
Back on topic, please. Stefano, please let us know which films are still available when you get a chance.

Doug
 
Posted by Mark Mander (Member # 340) on July 29, 2012, 02:07 PM:
 
Like i said earlier Keith about people going straight to ebay because of the way forum members treat other members when it comes to selling on here,I know your experience wasn't great on your last list.A couple of Film dealers won't post lists on here anymore so that says something,Mark.
 
Posted by Stefano Cacciagrano (Member # 2751) on July 29, 2012, 02:48 PM:
 
i will, of course. thanks
 
Posted by Leon Thomas Jones (Member # 2731) on July 29, 2012, 05:20 PM:
 
Michael, and Hugh I think show is over here. I am getting bored in 16mm section let’s go to 16mm films for sale and have a little play there. Joe my main man you can come too. I kind of getting to like you. [Cool]
 
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on July 30, 2012, 09:03 AM:
 
quote:
before you were born,people used
to write letters,I myself was an avid letter writer,mainly to 8mm
distributors, badgering and imploring for a couple of films which
I myself loved and was certain would be good sellers, to be given release, and it came
to pass,they were put out on 8mm and did sell well.The point is
that those people took the time to reply to me,even Hammer Films!

Hugh, during your old days, what happen if your letter was delivered to different mail box? Will you still get a reply ? NO!

No one would read your letter hence no reply.

This reason was also listed within my 7 reasons, that in this internet world an email can also be delivered to different mail box or junk folder due to the spam filter or the seller received many mails almost the same time or same subject (i.e there are too many emails with "8mm" on the subject or mail box full or etc, etc.

Will you still classify the seller is being lazy to reply if in fact he did not read nor receive the email.

Look at from that side and we will live more freely.

Cheers,

[ July 30, 2012, 02:03 PM: Message edited by: Winbert Hutahaean ]
 
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on August 06, 2012, 03:32 AM:
 
Hi Winbert,I take the point on what you are saying regarding the
shortfalls of E-mail and postal services,but back in those heady
days,misdirection of mail was something that occurred only if
a letter or package was wrongly addressed to start with,as with
E-mail if a word is misspellt.I can honestly say that any enquiries
that were sent out,and there were many,I can't recall any of the
companies not responding as a prepaid envelope was always
enclosed.In this so called computer age where the myth is that
everything is faster and better,things were actuaaly faster over
forty years ago,in the UK,we had two letter posts per day plus
parcel post.A letter could be sent across London in the morning
and a reply back that day because of the recently discontinued
underground postal railway.I myself have sent for a film on
a Thursday dinnertime and had it delivered on a Saturday morning,something I think would be hard to replicate today.
Remember,these companies built businesses on a postal service
and being prompt was the name of the game,especially where film hire was concerned, that coupled
with the best postal service in the world,led to happy customers.
 
Posted by Joe Balitzki (Member # 438) on August 06, 2012, 07:32 AM:
 
Winbert keeps stirring the pot even though its been boiled dry and the stove burner has been shut off [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on August 06, 2012, 07:42 AM:
 
Joe honestly I don't understand what you mean. If you carefully see the date I posted above was 7 days ago when the pot was still boiling.
quote:
posted July 30, 2012 09:03 AM                       
It is Hugh who replied today. So do you think I was stirring the pot?

Joe Baltizki, please next time be careful when writting an opinion. [Razz]

quote:
as with E-mail if a word is misspellt.
Trust me Hugh, still if you write the email address correctly, your email can be undelivered or delivered to junk mail folder. This is due to a very complicate system in every email server. That's why I also always check my junk folder to see if there is an important email delievred there. And yes I found one every time.

Now since this thread is RESURRECTED by somebody else (Joe, mind this word), although it has been more than a week, I don't see Stefano has updated the list with sold and unsold ones. This starts annoying me. Stefano, you can see some members here stand over you. You must respect them.

I am not taking anyone side just want to stand clear and fair.

You are not responsible for selling them, sure because you just posted somebody's else films. But since you the one posted the list you RESPONSIBLE to update it so people know which one is sold. And you have promised it to Doug openly in this thread.

Please do that now.

I don't like to find a member is enjoying other member to see his mouth watering without any certainity for the films of his interest, as shown in 16mm forum between Leon vs Mike Willliamson (now the thread is closed due to an even worst situation)

Cheers.
 
Posted by Joe Balitzki (Member # 438) on August 06, 2012, 05:53 PM:
 
Winbert, when you start spelling my name correctly I will more closely pay attention [Razz]
[Smile]
 
Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on August 06, 2012, 05:58 PM:
 
Now Now Joe,Winbert,play nicely or you can't play in Doug's
Dungeon anymore.
 
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on August 06, 2012, 06:26 PM:
 
quote:


O Joe, Joe! wherefore art thou Joe

......

What's in a name? ....

************************************ Romeo and Juliet (II, ii, 1-2) *******************************

Are you trying to offer an apology, Joe?
 
Posted by Joe Balitzki (Member # 438) on August 06, 2012, 07:46 PM:
 
I have nothing to apologize for as I use a Spell Checker.
[Razz] [Big Grin]
"Nay, I am the very pink of courtesy".
Mercutio
 
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on August 06, 2012, 07:58 PM:
 
quote:
Winbert keeps stirring the pot even though its been boiled dry and the stove burner has been shut off
vs.

quote:
posted July 30, 2012 09:03 AM
Oceans apart day after day
And I slowly go insane
I hear your voice on the line
But it doesn't stop the pain

If I see you next to never
How can we say forever

Wherever you go
Whatever you do
I will be right here waiting for you
Whatever it takes
Or how my heart breaks
I will be right here waiting for you



by Richard Marx (1989) - The song hit number one on the Billboard Hot 100 and peaked at #2 in the United Kingdom.
 
Posted by Joe Balitzki (Member # 438) on August 06, 2012, 08:07 PM:
 
[Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on August 06, 2012, 08:19 PM:
 
Apology accepted!

---[END]----

typical.......LoL..... !
 
Posted by Joe Balitzki (Member # 438) on August 06, 2012, 08:28 PM:
 
Apology?
In your Dreams!
---[END]---
 
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on August 06, 2012, 08:33 PM:
 
quote:
In your Dreams!
Were not you also dreaming when writing the first reaction this morning thinking I wrote it today??

A...HA..!

[Big Grin] [Big Grin]

Mega-LoL....and still...typical!
 
Posted by Gian Luca Mario Loncrini (Member # 1417) on August 06, 2012, 08:35 PM:
 
Once again, I really do think the whole topic is quite funny.
 
Posted by Joe Balitzki (Member # 438) on August 06, 2012, 08:45 PM:
 
Now you are simply being immature and childish as well as always wanting to have the last word. Which is why I have requested to have this thread Locked.
 
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on August 07, 2012, 02:12 AM:
 
Since this is Stefano's thread I'm not going to close it. However, any more replies that do not directly concern the sale of the films will be deleted.

Stefano, are all the films still available?

Doug
 
Posted by Stefano Cacciagrano (Member # 2751) on August 07, 2012, 04:26 AM:
 
Yes, movies are all still available ... it's really depressing to see all this unleashed debates while my fellow collector has only received a few emails, responding to all and not having had more feedback ... gianluca is right: it has become quite grotesque! If you want to close the topic and I will re-open with the list and prices
 
Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on August 07, 2012, 05:57 AM:
 
quote:
If you want to close the topic and I will re-open with the list and prices
Excellent idea.
 
Posted by Flavio Stabile (Member # 357) on August 07, 2012, 07:25 AM:
 
Stefano,

Indeed i sent an email too and never received a reply....

Ciao
Flavio
 
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on August 07, 2012, 10:22 AM:
 
Stefano,

I will do as you suggest.

Please ask Alessandro to get in contact with Flavio.

Doug
 


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