8mm Forum: RETURN OF THE JEDI feature FYI

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Posted by Larry Arpin (Member # 744) on April 07, 2013, 09:54 PM:

Not my auction & not Derann version:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/400454509077?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

The Derann copies look like they came from an original negative. This is a dupe from a print so no one should bid very high.

Posted by Pete Richards (Member # 2203) on April 08, 2013, 06:03 AM:

Good to know, I was intending to purchase this if it was a Derran print.
How can one tell that it is a dupe?

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on April 08, 2013, 07:18 PM:

OK, I offer this info with a little caution, as I know that there are folks out there on the forum who don't like negative comments about auctions ...

however ...

This is the second feature that I got for this fellow about a year ago (the first was STAR WARS), and I'm glad he got a decent price for STAR WARS, but I was more than a little pissed off when I got this for him in the mail from Germany, as this print HAS to be a bad print.

Yes, it is from Derann. Wonderfully sharp, but excessively bluish. I really wanted to send the print back to Germany and try to retrieve the gentleman's money, but I didn't and I felt really bad about that for a while afterwards.

However, please be advised that this print is excessively bluish, so much so that the "Endor" sequences, which should have lovely greens, are nearly a bluish mess. Very inaccurate colors. If you can live with a bluish print, then this is your auction.

I have nothing against the seller, to be sure, but I don't want to see someone perhaps bid this up and have another person be screwed with a lack-lustre print, but if you do bid it up, please be advised that you have been warned. It's out of concern for my fellow forum members that I mention this.

Sincerely

OSI

Posted by Larry Arpin (Member # 744) on April 08, 2013, 09:04 PM:

I just got word that it is a genuine Derann print. The first email he sent said it wasn't. But take note of Osi's comments.

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on April 08, 2013, 09:20 PM:

When it comes to STAR WARS Osi knows the score.
I've noticed that there seems to be more Star Wars material on
your ebay than ours.

Posted by Pete Richards (Member # 2203) on April 09, 2013, 12:09 AM:

Thanks Osi, I bought the Star Wars print, it hasn't arrived yet, but I'm glad to know it will have good colour.
Thanks for letting me know about the Jedi print having poor colour, I have bid on it, but I really want one with good colour so I won't keep bidding.
I think it is fair enough if you know the heritage of an actual film for sale to post about it.

Posted by Oemer Yalinkilic (Member # 86) on April 09, 2013, 02:43 PM:

Osi, we are like a big family here and I think we can name who is who.
Is this the print I sold to you?
I don´t want that someone to feel betrayed.
I never run this print, only few feet of reel 1, maybe only 2 minutes, so I can´t say anything about the condition. But I told you this before I sold it to you.
I bought this print from another well-known Forum member as a Derann print. Maybe he can say more about the condition?
Sorry but I don´t want say his name, I think it is better everybody to come out by his self.

Posted by Hugh Thompson Scott (Member # 2922) on April 09, 2013, 05:14 PM:

Don't beat yourself up Oemer, someone must have sold it to you,
print quality is something that is way beyond the control of the
collector. No doubt if every print of a "Star Wars" title was blue,
it would still be much sought after.

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on April 09, 2013, 07:03 PM:

es, it was your print Oemer. Thanks for that extra info as to how much was watched as, the extra bluishness didn't show up on the first reels as, of course, it's desert. The first reels didn't suffer from the bluishness but boy, that last half of the film really was poor.

I was caught between a rock and a hard place. The fellow I bought it for was getting ancy about a number of things, (securing a projector was the biggie, and I had suggested the projector person to him, and that person is also a good friend in my opinion. Everything that could seem to go wrong did, and most of it was from "mis-communication"), so I wanted to make sure that he got his "Jedi" print ASAP. When I got it, though I didn't watch it, (I didn't think that would be fair, as I felt it would be like taking a "free ride" at someone elses expense) ... I DID, once I saw at the beginning of one of the Endor reels looking so poor, went through every couple of minutes or so of the print to give it a thorough inspection and as stated before, I was rather apalled at that color.

I don't blame you Oemer, as you didn't know either. That's not too uncommon, especially with STAR WARS series film prints. A Lot of people (perhaps you as well) will buy one more for the "prestiege" of owning one, than to actually screen them.

So, I had to get that print to the fellow who bought it and I mailed it off two days after I got it, hoping that the fellow wouldn't be as choosey of a person as myself. I never heard from him, even if he had gotten it, as he was supposed to write me an e-mail to confirm that it arrived, (even with delivery confirmation, as I have heard that occasionally a print will be stated as having arrived, and will not have. I went through that myself once), but he never wrote me back. At least, through this auction, I know he got it.

I never contacted you Oemer, but your a good person and you probably would have returned the money, in fact, I'm sure you would have.

But my earlier post stands correct, that is the condition of the print. Very bluish.

Posted by Oemer Yalinkilic (Member # 86) on April 10, 2013, 02:41 PM:

Osi, this experience has taught me one think, it is dangerous to sell something without checking before myself, especialy in this price range.
If I remember right, derann sold often in his used bargain lists prints with lab mistakes and this print looks like one of this kind of print.
I know, if you bought a brand new print from Derann and if they was a lab mistake, Derann was kind enough to change a reel or the whole print. The german lab do that too. So it is now allways possible to pick a print from a bad batch.

Posted by Pete Richards (Member # 2203) on April 10, 2013, 10:29 PM:

BTW, who is 'The German Lab' that is mentioned often in these forums?

Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on April 11, 2013, 02:17 AM:

I was wondering that too. Do they still have the ability to print some movies and if only with german sound, anyone who could re-dub the movies?

Posted by Flavio Stabile (Member # 357) on April 11, 2013, 04:10 AM:

Just wondering the same as Vidar and Pete...

Thanks
Flavio

[ April 11, 2013, 07:54 AM: Message edited by: Flavio Stabile ]

Posted by Pete Richards (Member # 2203) on April 15, 2013, 11:55 PM:

I'd be happy with German Sound, I can redub it myself.

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