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Posted by David Guest (Member # 2791) on June 25, 2015, 04:30 PM:
elmo super 8 projector st1200 HD
this is on ebay item number 141702825138
perhaps someone on here can put a link to it I don't know how thanks
AS many will know by now I am a 16mm film collector and this projector was taken in part ex against a 16mm projector ,I am not into super so it must go .
this projector has just come back from bill parsons and as undergone a fully intense service with no expenses spared costing over £100.00 and is running perfect in every way .
appearance of this projector is very good no nasty cracks on this projector
this projector will give you many years of good service
,this projector performs well with a good steady picture and very good sound
comes with a take up spool and sound film to get you going
pick up only or you can arrange your own courier I will pack it well for you but will not be held responsible if it gets damaged
if you are sending your own courier cheque only
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on June 25, 2015, 04:44 PM:
Here's the direct link for your sale David...Good Luck with it! ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141702825138?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D141702825138%26_rdc%3D1
Posted by David Guest (Member # 2791) on June 25, 2015, 04:48 PM:
thanks Andrew that was quick
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on June 25, 2015, 04:51 PM:
Always happy to help buddy
Looks a nice example David and bound to be A1 after the fabulous Mr Parsons touch!
Posted by David Guest (Member # 2791) on June 26, 2015, 04:45 PM:
any one wanting a nice elmo then don't miss this one fully serviced by bill parsons
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on June 26, 2015, 06:01 PM:
What lens does it currently have fitted to it David?
Posted by Mathew James (Member # 4581) on June 28, 2015, 11:02 AM:
This price is a STEAL for this machine with all these goodies!
I wish I didn't have one myself, because i didn't get all the other bells and whistles and probably paid the same price. This is a better deal....Somebody really should get this soon!
Cheers,
Matt
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on June 28, 2015, 02:11 PM:
I sold mine Mathew last year for this price with an f1.1 lens fitted to it.
It's about the right price I'd say for a decent Mag/Opt HD.
Not everyone is fan of these here in the UK due to their inherent scratch problems as they age.
Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on June 28, 2015, 07:01 PM:
Thanks for the tip, Andrew...
If I ever visit the UK I'll leave my ST-1200 here where they don't scratch films!
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on June 29, 2015, 03:42 AM:
Seriously though Steve, You've done well if you've found one that doesnt...ever.
None of the decent ones I've had do it in any singular place to give you even a clue of the cause, just totally at random and in any random area of the frame and usually when you're least expecting it despite surgical standards of hygiene in and around the film path.
I'm far from being alone in my experiences and a certain type of film scratch (the type David Roberts spoke of) was even named after the brand of projector.
Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on June 29, 2015, 04:10 AM:
I haven't noticed any scratch from my st 1200, yet. Hope I will not experiment it in the future.
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on June 29, 2015, 04:30 AM:
You're also doing well with it then Dominique.
Perhaps your model is a very little used one?
Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on June 29, 2015, 09:49 AM:
Andrew,
Mr. Guest may be too polite to mention it, but being critical of a projector model in the very same thread where he is selling one would certainly upset me. I know this wasn't your intention, however it could discourage prospective buyers.
Doug
Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on June 29, 2015, 01:04 PM:
Still a popular machine today the ST1200 and had a few in my time which were nice and a sensible size to handle with a rugged not to be overlooked motor. With our Bill having checked it over it will be a good buy for someone. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on June 29, 2015, 03:47 PM:
Yes fair comment Doug.I can see what you're saying but nothing intended.
All machines have plusses and minuses I've found, and plenty of people here and overseas absolutely love the Elmo GS1200 and ST1200 range.
The comment was just part of an explanation as to why,based on my own experiences of selling one of these in recent times, that this is the absolute correct price to pitch these machines at as they have fans and loyal followers of them, just in the same way some people wouldn't have one ever again.
Nothing I, or anyone else says about these or any other machines will affect David's sale. People have their own minds, experiences and likes/dislikes with any machine.
Lee has said it all, just in the same way I did earlier.
If you buy any recently serviced example of any Elmo Bill has worked on, you know you will be getting a very good example of the model that should give you years of decent service.
Just look at his past testimonials!
[ June 30, 2015, 04:32 AM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]
Posted by David Guest (Member # 2791) on June 29, 2015, 05:02 PM:
thanks doug for you kind words you make this forum work well keeping checks on forum members comments .I no nothing about super 8 as I was brought up on 16mm my parents also had a cinema in the late 60s and early 70s so was well known to 35mm as well
my dad was collecting films for over 60 years which I have now added to my collection .I did ask him a question re films and projectors why did you collect 16mm and not any of the others his answer was 35mm was to bulky super 8 was to flimsy and 16mm was good picture quality and handy size
Posted by David Guest (Member # 2791) on June 30, 2015, 05:03 PM:
I cannot believe why this elmo did not sell when it was fully serviced by bill parsons I have seen plenty on ebay sell for more and not as good ,going to relist it. if it does not sell going to put it in a raffle at blackpool and sell tickets £1.00 each and winner takes the elmo .also 226 watchers
Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on June 30, 2015, 07:25 PM:
If I had to guess a reason why it would be the "No Shipping" clause. If you only have it listed for pickup/or if they arrange the courier, that will really diminish the potential list of buyers for that particular item. They would have to be local OR they would have to make a lengthy drive.
Also some of the pictures are a little blurry? It is a good price and the last one I had was really a great machine. Good luck! And ship it! It will sell for sure! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on June 30, 2015, 11:55 PM:
Other information like lens details, specific details of work carried out by Bill, belt changes, does it have a shutter belt fitted, head and amp condition etc etc may also help David.
Things in the world of Super 8mm (cannot speak definitely for the other guages), are always a little slower at selling around this time of the year I've noticed.
People are generally thinking and saving for their summer holidays around this time rather than investing in anything home cinema.
Even digital projector sales are slow at this time of the year.
As Alan says, follow the advice he gives and with another 7 days of listing with extra info and pics, I am certain it will be snapped up David.
I stand by my original statement to Matthew regarding the price point for these nowadays but I have been surprised before.
[ July 01, 2015, 12:00 AM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]
Posted by David Guest (Member # 2791) on July 01, 2015, 02:47 AM:
I have relisted it now on ebay
Posted by David Guest (Member # 2791) on July 02, 2015, 06:14 PM:
re elmoi have been told by several people who have the same model that these are a good machine and worth well over 200 so on the bonus side having a intense service by bill , must be a bargain ,I can post at cost but not responsible if it get damaged but will pack it well in 2 boxes its on ebay
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on July 03, 2015, 06:29 AM:
I am surprised at £200 no one took that one. These often sell at over 300 & yours has has a service from the best. ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on July 03, 2015, 07:06 AM:
They are expensive in France as well (I refer to my big neighbour market as Belgium's one is too small to compare with UK). On primeminster there is st 1200 for sale for 378.90 € and another one is advised at 450 euros on La bande des cinés' site. So, 200 pounds seem a good price for a serviced machine. Maybe the time of the year doesn't help : long sunny evenings and Holidays expenses.
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on July 03, 2015, 08:15 AM:
Still 2 days to go so you never know.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Elmo-super-8-st1200-hd-very-good-cosmetic-condition-/141707195385?
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on July 04, 2015, 04:01 AM:
David, I am in no way being negative here, i have just had a look at your listing and main title states very good cosmetic condition, everything else looks great but i'm wondering if anyone outside of our forum takes a first glance at it may think immediately that cosmetically its good but may not be mechanically sound so perhaps some people may not be reading the full listing.
If it doesn't sell on this occasions maybe replace with very good (or excellent) condition throughout & fully serviced.
Please do not think i am being critical, its just how i think some people may read it at first impressions.
Personally i am amazed it hasn't sold or at least have bids on it. As i said if i was looking for one i would have took your arm off,especially knowing Bill Parsons has serviced it.
[ July 04, 2015, 12:05 PM: Message edited by: Tom Photiou ]
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on July 04, 2015, 04:03 AM:
"Thought" or throughout Tom?.. only kidding pal ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on July 04, 2015, 11:12 AM:
now corrected
Posted by David Guest (Member # 2791) on July 05, 2015, 01:49 PM:
re elmo this projector has had a intense service ,by bill parsons so that it self should be enough ststes in the add runs well with good sound no nasty cracks etc any questions then you can email me .if projector does not sell has I am fed up with people saying they are no good etc and some say they are so I don't know what to believe as I know nothing about these but did run a film through it and was quite surprised ,if it does not sell I am going to get my son to video me smashing it up with a hammer then I will put it on you tube for all you super 8 fans
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on July 05, 2015, 01:52 PM:
I think your raffle idea David was a better one than making a video of this being broken into into a million pieces.
Would seem a real shame after Mr Parsons hard work restoring it back to decent serviceable condition.
Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on July 05, 2015, 03:46 PM:
"if it does not sell going to put it in a raffle at blackpool and sell tickets £1.00 each and winner takes the elmo" That would definitly be a better idea, as Andrew says.
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on July 05, 2015, 03:59 PM:
Hi Dominique, I was looking into the model being sold at the shop you mentioned for 450 Euros in Paris.
It appears to be just the standard ST1200 mag/opt model, so goodness only knows how much they would place the value of a HD model like Davids at!
Especially as it it has had a recent professional service.
Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on July 05, 2015, 04:59 PM:
There is no doubt that David's projector is more than good value for money.
Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on July 05, 2015, 06:15 PM:
Quote
"Making a video of this being broken up into a million pieces" and posting it on you-tube.
That's nothing more than straight out "vandalism".....and putting it on you-tube...well what would that prove?....those are unbelievable comments.
Posted by David Guest (Member # 2791) on July 05, 2015, 06:26 PM:
decided to keep it now for the raffle at blackpool. if it does not get sold. I have put on ebay at a revised price ,if it does not sell some One will win it for a £1.00
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on July 05, 2015, 07:06 PM:
Graham, I am certain many will agree, especially as David is an event organizer for all things Cine.
It does seem a strange gesture I must admit, as the rest of us work daily I'm sure, just to preserve our precious films and projectors, i know I do.
At the end of the day I for one am very frustrated that this didn't sell for David. Why?.... Well certainly not because I am any advocate for these machines given their track record with my films!
No, just because for every one instance I have ever pointed out that these machines leave a lot to be desired in their film handling department,I have received a barrage of complaints because I know so many (for whatever reason) remain completely loyal to these and the GS1200.
It would seem they talk the talk but do they walk the walk?
Had this been a mint T610 or 708,.... money or no money, I'd have found a way to seeing it survive the hammer treatment!
[ July 06, 2015, 02:58 AM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]
Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on July 06, 2015, 12:09 AM:
Thanks, David for having choosen the raffle option. The "hammer message" was maybe British humour :-)
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on July 06, 2015, 03:13 AM:
Here's hoping!
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on July 06, 2015, 06:49 AM:
It does have to said that like all things in life some people love them others dont but, we have had many over the years and they were and are among the most popular projectors on the market.
My own main use HD is at least 30 years old and still going strong, its been serviced by Bill Parsons but has also had the shutter replaced with one that was lathed on its edge to make it flat after having the outer rubber removed and all the belts replaced. It is a great machine along with the other 3 we have, we did go out of our way to obtain the HD version not just the 1200 version. Admittedly they have along the way caused the slight far right line,(but out of well over 300 films this has only happened to a dozen or so), as these machines can do,but any film we have that has any serious scratches were caused by previous owners probably with poorly maintained machines.
I am looking myself for a good Bauer in order to replace one of our Elmo's but rest assured there's nothing wrong with Elmo.
I guess the only one i would love to own but unfortunately wont is the GS1200, i think you need to be able to look after these yourself because even the experts say they are fine when working but a over engineered.
Bell and Howell is a good example of one projector ive always avoided, we once had a B&H filmosonic sound and it put green tramlines down the middle right of a brand new 400 foot copy of Texas chainsaw massacre, suffice to say we took it back to the supplier and got it exchanged for a eumig 810DLUX and also claimed a new copy of the film after much arguing with the dealer here in Plymouth. However, others will probably swear by the B&H model we had.
Posted by Mark Mander (Member # 340) on July 06, 2015, 08:03 AM:
I was rather looking forward to seeing the video of it being smashed up, love a good Hammer Horror! !! Mark
Posted by David Guest (Member # 2791) on July 06, 2015, 08:34 AM:
mine too has the the shutter replaced and relathed
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on July 06, 2015, 09:19 AM:
Before smashing or put in on a raffle ticket,just do a relisting and make 9.99 as a starting price and you will see the result. Many not sold items in ebay due to the starting price. Some were even ended far more than its buy it now price (if any)
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on July 06, 2015, 10:20 AM:
Tom, your dozen or so will become none when you get your Bauer.
Just look after the cam and claw follower by getting the correct lube and doing timely interventions and you can run even your most valuable prints as often as you like with absolutely no fears whatsoever.
Also with no surgical standards of hygiene and lengthy cleaning rituals required.
The best money I've ever spent on this hobby.
[ July 06, 2015, 08:29 PM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on July 06, 2015, 09:41 PM:
In computer, some people say "Mac", some say "PC"
In photographic arena, some declare "Nikon", some declare "Canon"
When ordering burger, some prefer "McD", some choose "Burger King"
it is a never ending story until the doomsday comes.
...and we are (at least I am) tired of listening to those insisted that his/her choice was the best.
Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on July 06, 2015, 10:24 PM:
A great old friend of mine called people who love GSs and STs "Elmoaners". (He was of the Viennese Persuasion himself.)
I have to confess I have become one in the years since he left us: I like the way Elmos perform, and I appreciate how they are put together.
-but every so often, when nobody is looking, I dabble in Eumigism. They have a certain funkiness to them, yet they just keep working year after year. I can't even explain why, since I rarely have ever taken one apart.
There are places in this country where Chevy Guys and Ford Guys are busting bar stools over each other's heads after a few beers too many.
-let's not be like that here.
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on July 07, 2015, 03:35 AM:
Quite right Winbert and Steve, after all they all project Super 8 film so how can I or anyone else dislike any of them ultimately!
Well maybe Cinerex & Imac but let's no go there lol..but no you're both right, they're all works of art and our pride and joy ultimately!
Every machine, as said on many occasions, has pro's and cons, it's just a case of which "what count factors" you place the highest, and of course what features it has to suit an individuals overall requirements.
Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on July 07, 2015, 05:54 AM:
Do you know if the rubber on the shutter is fixed? Or if it's a model with no rubber (doesn't that exist?)
I could take it, if the rubber is okay. Unless it's sold
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on July 07, 2015, 06:55 AM:
I always preferred the model with no rubber, all the ones we bought with rubber ended up having to get it removed. It was obviously put on to make it run quitter but I cant say there's that much difference.
I had one HD without and two with, now none have got it.
Once removed though it does alter slightly the FPS rate so John White who did the exchange shutter,(old rubbery one with nice new machined one) also did a replacement lower pulley which was also machine slightly to compensate for the difference. I myself also had new alloy lower shutters made.
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on July 07, 2015, 07:00 AM:
Going off Davids last statement Vidar, the shutter belt has been removed and then the outer diameter of the shutter wheel has been "turned" on a Lathe to give a precise flat machined surface for the drive wheels to run on.
Try contacting him Vidar, you may prevent the raffle!
Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on July 07, 2015, 07:41 AM:
This is an interesting topic. I feel that if this were sold here in the states it would have sold no problem. We are always on the lookout for fully serviced machines and the mighty Elmo, yes I believe it is a mighty machine, is truly spectacular. I remember when it was reviewed by Lenny Lipton for his super 8 book he said:
"The image and sound are greater than anything else I have ever seen or heard. With the f/1.4, 25 to 50mm zoom projection lens ($150), the image is brighter and sharper out to the corners than any other off-the-shelf super 8 projector. And the sound is superb."
Well this was before the GS1200 or the Bauer or the Beaulieu or the Eumig top of the range. But I think if you measure it up against the other simpler machines, Bell and Howells, run of the mill Sankyo's, and the Chinons, this will still hold true.
The last one I had was not even an HD model and with the 1.0 lens or the Schneider 1.1 .. the image was really on par with the GS1200. However because of the simplistic rugged basic design, you get the feeling that no matter what happens with the ST, you will always be able to fix it. Sometimes with the GS you feel that if it goes down one day...it may go down for good!!
I had a machine that had the rubber belt and it melted too. I ran it without and it was rougher and a little bit faster in speed as was mentioned. The machines that didn't have it to me were just as quiet and smooth.
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on July 07, 2015, 08:14 AM:
Without doubt Alan, in the era it was originally manufactured, the ST 1200 was in a league of its own except perhaps for the excellent Fujicascope SH30 which is another that dates back to the early 70's.
It's interesting what you and Tom say there
Alan in regard to owning a GS1200 as those who can and do often fix these, seem to absolutely love them while those, like Tom, who by his own admission, prefers to seek professional help, have never been able to take the plunge to the top model. I suppose a lot depends on your electronic knowledge on the GS1200.
A once highly regarded and skilled forum member on here always says that as far as he's concerned, there is no GS 1200 that is beyond repair as all of the electronic parts are either still available or can be superseded by newer better alternatives.
My fear of owning one nowadays would be entirely concerning the motors as even the guides are now 3D replaceable.
3 different types of spare motors would be a lot to find I feel.
The MK3's are very nice machines though from the ones I've seen.
Posted by Daniel Tollick (Member # 4820) on July 07, 2015, 04:41 PM:
What the largest size reel it can take? What builds and how much shipped to cyprus?
Daniel
Posted by David Guest (Member # 2791) on July 07, 2015, 04:54 PM:
I think its about 1200 but not sure has I know nothing about super 8 only 16mm.postage at a guess £60.00 you could try looking on the net
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on July 07, 2015, 04:57 PM:
1200ft or 360m Daniel.
I have no idea on the price to ship 14kg to Cyprus sorry.
As for "what builds?", I am not sure what you're asking here Daniel but it takes a 150w 15v A1 232 lamp if that helps?
Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on July 07, 2015, 05:37 PM:
Daniel, you can find more informations here : http://super8data.com/ Click on the projector picture, then on Elmo and finally on the model David is selling. I guess by "builds" you're asking for the weight and or the size. That appears on the super8data page as well.
Posted by David Guest (Member # 2791) on July 07, 2015, 06:02 PM:
this has been the hardest projector I have ever tried to sell
Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on July 07, 2015, 09:03 PM:
Plus its summer.. everyone is leaving but they will come back.. and want a nice machine for the Fall! It could be yours!!
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on July 08, 2015, 02:16 AM:
David's machine is apparently now back for sale. sadly no takers from the enquires so far it would seem.
Here is the link, hopefully this time fingers crossed;
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141711324248?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageNam e=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Alan makes a very valid point David regarding the timing aspect, and for those of us who participate in the hobby all year around, we have no doubt more machines than our overfilled houses can take already. Any more for me and I'm in my neighbours loft!
Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on July 08, 2015, 04:11 AM:
Is this typing error or the price has increased to become GBP 299?
It is totally the seller's prerogative to put any price, just it doesn't make any sense to me when GBP 199 was not sold then the solution is to increase the price.
Posted by David Guest (Member # 2791) on July 08, 2015, 06:06 AM:
elmo projector has now been sold
Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on July 08, 2015, 07:00 AM:
Winbert, you would be surprised. A Belgian handicraft chocolate maker didn't attract any interest the first day on a food fair in Brussels. He decided the second day to increase the prices and then bingo. Customers regarded his chocolates as a valuable product ("if it's expensive there must be a reason"). Maybe people found there would be a trick with a projector sold 200 £ if they see it usually at a higher price ("if it's cheap there must be a reason"). We'll never know.
Posted by David Guest (Member # 2791) on July 08, 2015, 08:03 AM:
hi Dominique you are on the ball and are right in what you are saying I put on ebay last a projector for 19.99 never got sold it was a siemans 8 silent I put it on 3 times and still not sold so I said one more go if it does not sell it goes in the bin .I put it on for 224.99 guess what someone bought it work that one out ,the elmo has gone to a good who attended blackpool for the first time ,he is coming again and when he arrives there is a pint waiting for him at the bar like to thank every one for their comments I never want a super 8 projector again keep the reels moving with 16mm
Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on July 08, 2015, 01:15 PM:
Get on David, the buyer has a great machine and all serviced. Dealers ,(not that long ago), use to put these on there list for £350 or more so well done.
Now then, when my T60 coming
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on July 08, 2015, 04:15 PM:
610 Tom, gotta be T610 vs T60!
[ July 08, 2015, 07:16 PM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]
Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on July 21, 2015, 08:16 AM:
My new Elmo arrived today, thank so much Mr. Guest. Was running very smoothly and was delighted with the extras like the W.C. Fields Hurry, Hurry (got it on 16mm, but always nice to have a Super 8 and it was in very good condition) and was extremely happy to see brush in the kit :-) Been wanting a couple of those, now I finally have two brand new ones and a slightly dirty used one (can one clean them with anything? It's grimey, so I guess must be something powerful)
Thanks again, hope this is the last ST-1200 I need :-) One at Mr. Parson's for repair now, two more to fix later
Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on July 21, 2015, 09:34 AM:
Best of luck with it Vidar
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