8mm Forum: Elmo 16-A filmatic rewiew !!!

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Posted by Niels Peter Buch (Member # 3757) on March 19, 2014, 09:20 AM:

Hello.
Ive spottet an Elmo 16-A filmatic in a local second hand site.
Can anyone give me a rewiew of this projector ?
Best regards

Posted by Paul Mason (Member # 4015) on March 19, 2014, 10:11 AM:

From a recent Ebay UK auction the seller said

quote:
ELMO 16A, JAPAN MADE 16 MM OPTICAL AND MAGNECTICAL SOUND/SILENT AUTOMATIC THREADING PROJECTOR,IT HAS VERY GOOD ELMO 50MM LENS F.1.3, MADE IN JAPAN BY ELMO,IT HAS 24VOLTS X 250 WATTS LAMP ALSO HAS 2 SPEAKER IN COVER,IT IS 24 AND 18FPS,THAT'S SOUND AND SILENT SPEED,IT TAKES UP TO 2.200 FOOT SPOOL,MICROPHONE CONECTIONS,

I think this is a projector from the early to mid 1970s.

Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on March 19, 2014, 11:00 AM:

I own one.
It looks something like an Elmo GS-1200 at a click glance.
No internal speaker as speaker is in the side cover.
Lubrication is via an oil-bath which has a window with central marking to see if the oil level is correct.
Autoload.
Uses the small A1/223 lamp. Projector has its own mirror.

Posted by Niels Peter Buch (Member # 3757) on March 19, 2014, 05:17 PM:

Thank you for quick reply.....this is a great site indeed !
What are your personal opinions about this projector compared to other projectors.(is Elmo among the leaders in 16 mm projectors ?)
Bauer, Bell/Howell etc etc .

Posted by Maurice Leakey (Member # 916) on March 20, 2014, 05:16 AM:

The Elmo (and Eiki/Elf) projectors only have two sprockets, which can be a problem with old, warped and shrunken film.

Much better are the projectors with three sprockets, the Bauer and the Rolls-Royce of 16mm, the Bell & Howell.

However, having said that about the Bell & Howell, it is very important to buy one with a new or recently replaced worm gear. Many are around on eBay with their original gear which crack and become useless over time.

If you are not sure, go for a Bauer P8.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Bauer+P8&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=n78qU8eNIeW70wWPwIDIDg&ved=0CCoQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=576#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=Oa7f5a-TOEhwkM%253A%3BpIhh BgssgOhPSM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.schmalfilmtechnik-berger.de%252Fimages%252F10_800x600.png%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.schmalfilmtechnik-berger.de%252Fbildergallerie.html%3B800%3B6 00

Posted by Paul Mason (Member # 4015) on March 20, 2014, 05:28 AM:

Unlike Maurice I have never owned an Elmo 16mm projector but they have a good reputation. All the leading makes from the 1960s to 1980s made well-engineered, tough, long-lived machines for professional use in schools, universities and industry but remember they were only designed for 15 to 20 years of fairly intensive use and the survivors are usually over 25 years old so minor faults are common. This forum has mentioned most of the troubles with Elmo, Bell & Howell, Bauer, Eiki and Kodak. Spare parts may be a problem with Elmo, Bell & Howell suffer from failure of the original worm gears but otherwise are as good as any projectors ever made. I don't have experience with Bauer or Kodak but Eiki (known as Elf in the UK) are easy to repair and good performers.

Posted by Niels Peter Buch (Member # 3757) on March 20, 2014, 06:24 AM:

Thanks a lot again Maurice and Paul !
Ive heard a little about Bauer P8 Tectonic.
My friend has one for sale 900 DKR. (about 90 pound i think)
This maschine is in top condition and comes with a complet overhaul.
I am very tempted to buy this one.

For the meantime I have 13 8mm projectors from different makers

Eumig P8 (1955)
Eumig MARK S 706
Eumig 822 Sonomatic HQS

Bolex M8
Bolex M8 with synchronicer equipment

Bolex 18-5 regular
Bolex 18-5 super8
Bolex SM8

2/Meopta AM8 ....missing drivebelts though !

Chinon sound 6100

Bauer T40 Sound.

Elmo ST600 Sound.

Love this hobby as you can imagine !

Best regards !!!!

Posted by Paul Mason (Member # 4015) on March 20, 2014, 07:14 AM:

Niels,
The Bauer P8 for DKK 900 is a good deal if its in good order with a complete overhaul. I have reduced my 8mm projector collection to just one but I would never part with my Bolex 18-5 SL.
Best Wishes.

Posted by Niels Peter Buch (Member # 3757) on March 20, 2014, 07:33 AM:

Hi Paul.
For the moment some of my projectore are for sale.

Exept my Bolex 18-5 (best maschine ever)
My Bolex M8 (the good looking but not steady one)
and my Eumig P8 and 822 sonomatic.
(For now anyway)ha ha !!!

My friend says : "When you grow up , you gotta have an 16 mm Bauer P8"......I think he is right !

Best regards

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