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Posted by Tony Milman (Member # 7) on February 26, 2006, 02:39 PM:
 
Well, I am reliably informed that the Sylvester forum has closed the 8mm forum area.......

Is this the death toll of super 8 forums across the world?

Guess we'll all have to learn to live without it then
 

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Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on February 27, 2006, 05:46 AM:
 
Not at all. The numbers on this forum have shown a steady increase over the last year with no indication of slowing down. We have indeed seen new members join in 2006 and we are not that far in to this new year yet.

Having read a few comments with regards to the reasons for the "new" face of the other forum I would like to add that we on this forum do not condone the use of this forum for people who just want to "rip" others off or as has been suggetsed "collectors who are well known thieves". I think Brad & Doug would support me and Ban anyone we thought was on here acting disshonestly. Which I dont think, for one moment to be the case.

This forum is here for all serious film colectors and those interested in all aspects of the smaller film formats. With the steady increase in membership I hope it will go on for many years to come.

I followed on this post of Tony's as I felt there were some unjustified comments on the other forum and know there are some members here who were using both forums and may feel a little antagonised by some of those comments. Dont rise to them...and lets keep this forum going in the happy and civilised manner for which it is know.

DVD and Film will live happily with each other for many years to come I'm sure, just like B/W film has sat along side colour film for all these years. Both technologies have their place in the current climate. Kodak wouldnt be releasing new camera film stocks if that werent the case and new mags wouldnt be coming onto the scene if there was no support for film. The various film conventions have also shown an increase in attendance figures so all is looking rosier.

Keep the posts coming, Technical or otherwise and any new members are more than welcome providing they bide by the forum rules.

Kev.
 

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Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on February 27, 2006, 06:27 AM:
 
Hi Kevin, I`ve just put a new chap forward but he was refused joining for some reason, I`ve suggested he try again,seems like a nice chap, "Colin".
Best Mark.
 

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Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on February 27, 2006, 06:49 AM:
 
Thanks Mark....good of you.

We have had a few members rejected recently which has been mainly due to not quite getting their registration correct. One of the main let downs has been due to the display name.

It should be "Your Name" and not "your name" a small point I know but it helps to keep the forum looking tidy and professional. We dont use "nicknames" or "handles". That way all members know exactly who they are dealing with.
One other important point is that the email address supplied should be current and reachable.
Observe those few points and registration should be a doddle

Thanks again Mark, keep the new members flowing. Kev
 

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Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on February 27, 2006, 07:09 AM:
 
Kev,

Interesting to read your perspective on this, but I think Tony's post wasn't entirely serious.

As for the other forum, I think the change was overdue. Any film collectors that joined in the last few months specifically because they saw it was "for" 8 & 16mm collectors, as well as being for digital enthusiasts, were not likely to feel at home there.
 

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Posted by Mark Todd (Member # 96) on February 27, 2006, 08:21 AM:
 
I do think it might help to do away with that sarky page on the register area.It just seems like a entrapment thing to get funny with you. Why on earth have that there if its not to be used. And of course on lots of forums that would follow on fine??? I know at least one person who was well into the hobby thought sodd it with that.
I really do think we should change that and maybe make it so you can just click on something to register anyway.
Best Mark.
 

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Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on February 27, 2006, 11:13 AM:
 
Mark,

"I really do think we should change that and maybe make it so you can just click on something to register anyway"

That was the point of it all, to stop that very thing happening. The thoughts are that it stops the passeres by from just clicking and joining then trying to make a nusance of themselves which did happen on the old forum. Those that are serious will take the time to read the rules etc and then follow through correctly.
I dont think that copying and pasting a link is really too much trouble. If you dont read the rules you will not see the link that needs to be pasted into your browser so you wont be able to join......good move me thinks. Stops the riff raff and leaves the forum a great place for you and the rest of the members.
Think about it

Adrian, I agree with you and the seriuosness of Tony's original thread above. I know Tony quite well (personally) but because of his comments I went across and read the posts on the other forum to see what was going on like other members on here will no doubt do.
Everyone is entitled to his/her opinions and that is the case on this forum as long as it doesnt get personal and out of hand and its that point which keeps this forum running so smoothly and friendly.
With the 500+ membership covering many different countries with new membership growing we should be going for many years to come without the need to change the forum to a DVD based one.
This seems to be a well focused forum for the serious film collector covering all topics from shooting right through to projecting with the package movie collector somewhere in between. If we dont lose site of that like other forums, and keep it a fun place for members, then we should go on for sometime to come Kev.
 

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Posted by Dan Lail (Member # 18) on February 27, 2006, 01:40 PM:
 
Bravo, Kev! The key words are "serious film collector". This is what keeps this forum alive and enjoyable. Real people with real names watching real film.
 

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Posted by Dan Lail (Member # 18) on February 27, 2006, 01:41 PM:
 
Bravo, Kev! The key words are "serious film collector". This is what keeps this forum alive and enjoyable. Real people with real names watching real film.

Don't know why I have double posts. Looks like stereo posting to me.
 

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Posted by Tony Milman (Member # 7) on February 27, 2006, 02:38 PM:
 

 

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Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on February 27, 2006, 03:45 PM:
 
Thanks Dan. Kev.
 

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Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on February 27, 2006, 03:55 PM:
 
This is a great place that has no animosity or bad behaviour!
I think the set up is working great. Thanks to the great moderators and the higher ups!
Bravo!!
 

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Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on February 27, 2006, 05:30 PM:
 
You only have to visit some of the many Home Theater Forum's to realize how great THIS particular forum is! Intelligent conversation by really knowledgable people who all share one thing - the love of narrow guage film and film equipment. In comparison, most of the inumerable Home Theater Forums are dullsville, they are literally a dime a dozen, each with hundreds of posts a day which are impossible to make much sense of.
I like this Forum's requirements of only allowing real names to post- I like to know who I am conversing with, plus real names gives the opportunity for friendship and personality to develop.
So well done Brad, Kev and Doug- keep up the good work!
 

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Posted by Michael De Angelis (Member # 91) on February 27, 2006, 06:23 PM:
 
Excellent, excellent,
Very well stated.

It is enjoyable to read all of the positive support.
This is serious business, and we all love to keep
this going well, and that makes it all the more fun.

I always look forward to the support, news,
updates and comradarie on this Forum

Thank you to all here, that keep this
a wonderful place to check in.

8 is Great.

Michael
 

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Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on February 27, 2006, 07:13 PM:
 
I must endorse Paul's points. When Forums allow people to use names other than their real name, it makes it far more likely that you will get offensive or dubious posts from people trying to stir things up.
It's also good that you get straight talking here that anyone can understand. Some boards seem to develop a weird language all of their own, which can leave you thinking "what on earth are they on about?"
 

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Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on February 27, 2006, 09:52 PM:
 
Our only wierd language is...Elmo, Beaulieu, Pulse Sync, Xenon..
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on March 02, 2006, 03:01 AM:
 
I can't stress Kevin's point enough about having a valid email address. It's amazing how many people are pushed through for registrations, yet the confirmation email bounces back as undeliverable...and at that point there isn't even any way to get ahold of that person to let them know.
 

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Posted by Chris Quinn (Member # 129) on March 02, 2006, 01:48 PM:
 
I can't remember as it was a while now since i first registered, but is there space to confirm your email?

Also people should not copy and paste there email.

Just some thoughts.

Chris.
 

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Posted by Jan Bister (Member # 332) on March 08, 2006, 12:46 AM:
 
It might be that some people worry about opening their email up to spam (or more simply, unrequested newsletters and such) so they put in a fake address, not realizing they're supposed to be expecting a confirmation email that completes their registration on the forum. But maybe that just goes right back to Kevin's point of those who are serious about joining this forum will take the time to read & follow instructions and indeed do everything correctly (and as a result, not have any trouble whatsoever showing up around here).
Chris makes a good point, though - have people re-type their email address and put a note there not to just copy/paste it (as that would only copy any errors they might have made in the first place).
 

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Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on December 23, 2014, 05:31 PM:
 
By searching for another topic (I didn't find back by the way) I came across this one dated 2006. Well, the forum is still alive !
 

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Posted by Vidar Olavesen (Member # 3354) on December 23, 2014, 05:52 PM:
 
And there's even more than one :-) Long live the crazy people (that's us)
 

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Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on December 23, 2014, 07:08 PM:
 
Interesting to look back on these old posts. Tony Milman's doomesday opinion has obviously not materialised, with this forum stronger than ever, and Kev and Dan splitting off to form their own smaller forums.
 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on December 24, 2014, 11:34 AM:
 
Well, the forums are obviously still here, and I cannot speak for anyone else, but I am most happy to have all of you fine folks in my life!

Cheers!
 

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Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on December 24, 2014, 01:28 PM:
 
Numbers are on the up on an almost daily basis, over 200 new members on here in this past year! I don't believe the forums or the interest in real film is going anywhere apart from onwards and upwards...do you?
 

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Posted by Joe Caruso (Member # 11) on December 24, 2014, 01:36 PM:
 
But where are some of those people that frequented the forum?
 

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Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on December 24, 2014, 01:40 PM:
 
Good question Joe, 4200 members but probably less than 200 regulars sadly.
 

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Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on December 24, 2014, 02:51 PM:
 
Don't knock it,

At least the lurkers are interested.

Some of 'em will find inspirations and come out of the shadows, and if they can't hang out and read for a while they may just move on.

I've seen forums where you could only read posts after you joined. I've always thought the barrier to entry discouraged people.

The only thing I would do is set things up so IP addresses associated with a banned account couldn't even lurk. I saw a case once where a member of a discussion forum went a little psychotic and after he was banned he made it obvious off-forum he was still looking every day. (It was a little creepy!)

-at least if they have to leave their Mom's basement to find a computer capable of stalking you, it will encourage them to troll somebody else instead!
 

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Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on December 24, 2014, 03:08 PM:
 
Good point Steve. Probably many just like to leisurely look over the forum, having an interest but without the need or desire to actually post anything.
 

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Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on December 24, 2014, 03:13 PM:
 
I was a member here a couple of weeks before I posted. I had the link off in a side folder and I'd look at it once in a while.

These days it's a link on my Iphone: it's almost intravenous now!

It's something you find a lot these days: there is a small core of very active people that you keep encountering wherever, however and whenever there is a gathering.

When I meet somebody "new" at CineSea, I learned a long time ago to stop being sure I didn't already know them.
 

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Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on December 24, 2014, 03:24 PM:
 
I think you'll have gathered it's the same here! Love the hobby, love the posts on here and just love gaining new snippets of knowledge every day on the bits I care about.

Some superb knowledgeable skilled people on here and look with real interest at the posts from the likes of yourself and Mr Adsett to name but two.

Keep em comin' throughout 15 Steve!

BTW cannot believe the knowledge base that Janice has acquired in such a short space of time! Truly amazing!!
 

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Posted by Kevin Hassall (Member # 2352) on December 24, 2014, 04:40 PM:
 
This forum has worked wonders for me cant thank you guys enough
 

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Posted by Bryan Chernick (Member # 1998) on December 24, 2014, 05:36 PM:
 
I may not post very often but I do keep up with the forum. I prefer a smaller forum like this, it makes for a better community of people.
 

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Posted by David Guest (Member # 2791) on December 24, 2014, 05:44 PM:
 
you might get a few more members if it was not complicated to join ,I have had at least 10 asking me how to film in the form
 

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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on December 24, 2014, 07:49 PM:
 
I don't think filling the form is that complicated than most of other forums.

Joe, people are coming in and go for various reasons. Most of reasons are:

1. They get tired of internetting (not only for 8mm forum)
2. They have reached their needs in 8mm collecting but still in the hobby
3. They are on a long leave due to other commitments
4. They just simply no longer on this hobby (has donated/sold) or has moved to larger format.
5. They have passed away...

But at least a couple of 2003ers are still here, that include you and I...

ps: the most amazing is that there are several 2003ers members with only few posts but still posting to date. Doug with his moderator power can probably look at the statistics.

cheers,

[ December 25, 2014, 02:28 AM: Message edited by: Winbert Hutahaean ]
 

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Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on December 24, 2014, 08:00 PM:
 
Loads of people show up for technical advice or trying to sell a collection they've inherited.

-not here for the long haul.
 

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Posted by Joe Caruso (Member # 11) on December 26, 2014, 01:19 PM:
 
Thanks, Win - True, been here from the start - So how is Bruno doing?
 

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Posted by Michel Boulet (Member # 2771) on December 26, 2014, 02:57 PM:
 
out!
 

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Posted by Dominique De Bast (Member # 3798) on December 26, 2014, 03:59 PM:
 
It is intersting to note that some member do read the messages but don't post on the forum. I had that confirmed by private messages I got and people I met last time I went to a convention in the UK. Also not everybody report the projections made. I do it (almost every time) to keep that sections running as I think it is interesting (or just fun) to know what other people all around the world screen but I can understand some members of the forum don't want to share that. Anyway, this forum is wonderful. You learn many things and meet fantastic people !
 

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Posted by Mark Silvester (Member # 929) on December 27, 2014, 04:49 AM:
 
As the main person at the start of this forum...talk about turning back time..Lol I am the person who ran "SilvoScreen"..I do have to say it was written very much with "entertainment" and memories in mind and definitely with a "kick" of controversiality...that was my way (newspaper writing background) - and nothing wrong with that, either. I collected 8mm from 1973...and from early 2000 had nearly every 16mm print you could imagine through my hands - collecting wise...from titles like All the "back to futures"; the Godfather collection...Raiders..Godfather movies and the Bond movies...Bruce Lee's...all in LLp/IB tech - no faded stuff I just ditched them..for penny's...I had nearly every hammer film - ever, through my hands - I am sure Adrian Winchester bought a couple off me...Steven Siegal certainly bought a great print of Rosemarys Baby... Thing was it was a hobby for me and reason I got out ...was as it cost me more pursuing it...I nearly went bankrupt...through pursuing a hobby - never made a bean. In it casued I loved the big screen. I will tell you that apart from Phil at Classic, Paul FosterandBarry Atwood..there are very..very few you can trust out there since my good friend Derek Simmonds has gone (simply the best!). ( I could tell you a few tales...of people dealing right now!..But I won't....hmm.. well you know me..lol)

I have and remained a friend of Kev's and one or two others..I do applaud Brad on his perseverance with this forum - and it is great to see it's continued technical development.But I also applaud Kevin and Dan Lail who all have moved and developed things further as well. So I do not regret my "SilvoScreen" forum...it had it's place (570 members at the time). and a lot of people posting with a whole variety of subjects - Paul Adsett and others enjoyed it. they told me personally.All the best for 2015!

P.S. I just do a little dabbling in 8mm now...you just cannot get it out of your blood when it goes back to age 12 ...and 1973!
 

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Posted by Andrew Woodcock (Member # 3260) on December 27, 2014, 11:17 AM:
 
Hopefully Mark, someone with your background will continue to offer your advice and knowledge of your experiences in the hobby for many more years to come!

I started my journey with Super 8 at a similar time and at an even younger age and you are absolutely correct, it becomes totally infectious!

No matter what comes along in the future,and having sold out of the hobby once in the 90's, I know now that Super 8 will always have a place in my world.
 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on December 27, 2014, 12:53 PM:
 
Let's face it, most of the big numbers are people who are just wanting to "move" they're collections (or collections they have inherited from the "departed"), asap ...

... but I won't knock them, as I have bought quite a few prints from "one timer" who listed them on here, and never listed them elsewhere.
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on December 27, 2014, 01:27 PM:
 

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The only thing I would do is set things up so IP addresses associated with a banned account couldn't even lurk. I saw a case once where a member of a discussion forum went a little psychotic and after he was banned he made it obvious off-forum he was still looking every day. (It was a little creepy!)

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