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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on March 21, 2008, 10:14 AM:
I apologize ahead of time if this isn't a positive post ...

I really wonder how much time is left to this world when I see this kind of thing.

It appears that "Craig's list" has become a hot spot for under age prostitution. I was watching the news this morning, and they had busted an under age prostitution done in the basement of a mothers house, (she's in prison), by her 17 year old daughter and business is booming. "The younger you are, the more you can get", the little girls were saying ...

I'm really brought low by it, and I despair, bringing a child into this world, wondering how in the hell do I really protect my children from this. There is so much done these days that really boggles me.

I just needed a place to "dump" about it.
Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on March 21, 2008, 11:24 AM:

I think the bad news is that this kind of stuff has always been there, but what good news there is concerning it is people are more and more willing to admit it exists instead of sweeping it under the rug.

I have a 5 year old and I watch over him like a hawk. There's just too many people out there willing to screw up his childhood for so many selfish reasons. Part of my job as the Dad is to intervene when I see it threatening.

It's such an important time of your life as well. Something bad can happen to you in your twenties or thirties and often you bounce back very well, because you are emotionally equipped to deal with it. Same thing happens when you are 7 or 8 and it can effect you your whole life.

I think it's important to show kids that you really love them. It gives them an emotional base that maybe when they have troubles elsewhere will allow them to have an anchor to hold on to. The gravest sin the mother you talk about above committed was being the abuser instead of that refuge. Where do her kids turn?
Posted by Barry Johnson (Member # 84) on March 21, 2008, 01:39 PM:
Take heart gentlemen.
If one "intervenes" in anything untoward you will get beaten up,knifed or even shot dead.
I am over sixty and am very aware of the shithole situation we live in fear of, people are getting away with anything. Our government have lost the plot totally.The worse they are,the more they get away with.It wont change either.
Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on March 21, 2008, 01:59 PM:
...ah!, but the worst stuff you run into is by the people who won't stab, shoot or beat you up. -so subtle you may never know about it, especially if you make yourself blind to it.

One of the side effects is that when you run into people who genuinely want to do good by kids by being a teacher or a scoutmaster or join a mentoring program or become adoptive parents, they immediately have to go under a microscope. This is the way it has to be and there's nothing that can be done about it.

It's good to be aware of what's going on, but it's wise not to let it shut you down either. There are still a lot of good things about life that the animals out there haven't destroyed.
Posted by Kevin Faulkner (Member # 6) on March 21, 2008, 05:05 PM:
Its the same over here in the UK. Theres not many days go by without another stabbing of a teen or a sexual assault being reported on our news and I too feel the same about my own kids. Although they are now 12 and 19 you still worry about them when they are out etc.
As a parent you have to protect them the best way you can and to show them that you are here for them if and when they need you.

I try to make sure the best I can that they dont get in with the wrong sort which is quite a difficult thing to do these days.

Yes there are still things about this life which are good and its those things we have to hang onto. [Smile]

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on March 21, 2008, 06:37 PM:
Having spent my childhood in Wales I always think about the UK as it was back then, namely the safest and most civilized place in the World. I think to a large extent that is still true, but on a visit to Wales last year the cold reality of todays world was brought home to me. Let me explain.
I was visiting the Welsh Folk Museum in St. Fagans, which is just outside Cardiff, the Welsh capitol city. Naturally I had my video camera with me and was filming everything insight including the little welsh schoolhouse. After taking a long shot outside of the schoolhouse, followed by a medium shot of the schoolhouse bell, I entered the little schoolroom inside. I could see that there was a visit by a local school group and they were all sitting in the schoolroom in those old Victorian desks with the flip up tops and the inkwells. A teacher was explaining to them about what school was like to the children of the Welsh miners back in those days. I thought this would meake a great couple of minutes for my video so I raised my camera and was about to take a great shot when someone grabbed my arm. A little startled I found this teacher glaring at me yelling " No photos allowed!". This was a public place, an outdoor museum, but apparently there are laws in the UK about phographing children. The teacher explained to me that the intent is to prevent people from photographing children and then doctoring the photos for internet porn. I asked him how far away did one have to be to take photos of schoolkids in a public setting, but he could not answer that. Anyway, this incident made me realize that even the UK is not the sanctuary and haven from the uncivilized world that I thought it was, and left me feeling decidedly sad.
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on March 21, 2008, 06:56 PM:
Thanks for the imput guys.

As Steve Clare stated, some things are absolutely necessary in our day and age to protect our children, and I agree with it. In order to serve in childrens ministry in my local church here, they do a background check to see if there is any recorded history of any kind of abuse of a child, (note: it doesn't help if the person hasn't ACTUALLY been caught as of yet, or convicted, and that can even be difficult, as getting victims to come forward can be hard.) ...

...but I agree with that.

I think the best gift I can give my child (and "children" in the future), besides genuinely loving them, is to make sure that my little boys and girls have a high self-image and self-worth, (not arrogance, but a well balanced feeling of worth), as children that are well loved and have self-worth, tend to not fall into numerous ills out there.

My children, boy or girl, will be well educated in the fine art of self-defense, (as I am an expert), but only for defense and not to just beat on people.

Making sure of what is "proper touching" ...

Not getting into anyones car unless they cell phone us, and saving any evil text messages so the bastards can be reported.

My wife and I will not hide our heads in the ground and just wish it would all go away.

There will only be one computer and that is in the front room. No private chat rooms.

It may seem like I'm sounding a little "militant", but you literally have to do this!

I am feeling a little better now.

I would be willing to bet that my film collection will out last humanity, (the way things are GOING!)

Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on March 21, 2008, 07:18 PM:
One more thing Osi. I really believe that you can give your kids a great gift - by instilling in them a love and appreciation of the great classic films. If you do this, they will never have any interest at all in viewing the modern trash, full of blood, gore, CGI violence, and foul language and behaviour. They will see them for what they are- worthless. Great films can really elevate a childs perspective on life.
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on March 21, 2008, 08:58 PM:
VERRRY Good point, Paul, me compadre!

and believe me, dearly beloved brothah in the Holy order of Celluloid worshippers,

I'm LOADED with classics!!
Posted by Robert Wales (Member # 502) on March 21, 2008, 10:24 PM:
Come on, gentlemen. Are you really paying attention to what's actually going on at the modern boxoffice ? Of all of 2007's biggest hits, the only one that could remotely be accused of being overly violent would be The Bourne Ultimatum and it was correctly pitched at an adult audience. Other than that, the biggest hits were Spiderman 3, Shrek 3, Pirates 3, Hairspray, Ratatouille, The Simpsons Movie, Alvin & The Chipmunks,Harry Potter, Enchanted and I Am Legend ( which was violent in a science-fiction non-realistic way ). And except for the United States, Mr Bean's Holiday was a huge hit around the world. Violent films with gore and foul language were certainly in the marketplace but in no way do they dominate the charts the same way that family-friendly titles do. The very gentle Horton Hears A Who is now going to top the North American box office for a second week in a row.

Dislike modern films if you wish, but to suggest that modern cinema is nothing but gratuitous sex and violence is simply incorrect.
Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on March 22, 2008, 06:45 AM:
Well if you are worried about violence you better not let your kids watch "3:10 To Yuma" plenty of shoot em up in that movie [Big Grin] just kidding [Wink] when I was young growing up in Glasgow I was told of the dangers and what to do. I was given a watch and told to be home at a certain time and that was it, my parents expected me to look after myself and to deal with certain situations that might happen, which at times they did. The world has never been a safe place and its easy to be become negative but I believe there are a lot of good people out there its not all bad. I would hate to go through life being suspicious of everyone I came in contact with, although I am not stupid either, looking back to my own childhood I am pleased to have had that freedom it was an important part of growing up.

Posted by David Pannell (Member # 300) on March 22, 2008, 07:51 AM:
As parents of long standing, and now, happily, very proud grandparents, it is easy to see both sides of the question. I think most points have been covered.

It has been our experience that there is a need to be selective in what our offspring are allowed to do and see, and where they are allowed to go. They do actually respond well to limits, barriers and rules, as they need a reference point which is stable and doesn't vary.

Children are very tractable, and if brought up with the correct sense of values, 9 times out of 10, they will adhere to those values in later life. They also respond well to responsibility, and this needs to be encouraged in youngsters.

We can't and shouldn't cossett our children and wrap them up in cotton wool, protecting them from every ill which besets mankind, but, if we can equip them with the moral tools with which to take a stand for what is right, they will do well in life, - and in turn be able to pass those values on to their own children.
Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on March 22, 2008, 10:19 AM:
All good points Pannell ...

The earlier point was correct as well. I saw "I Am Legend", which was a good re-make of "Omega Man" and "The Last Man on Earth" ...

What struck me was how tame the film really was. No cussing, no nudity, and no excessive bloody corpses all over the place. I really was impressed.
Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on March 22, 2008, 03:08 PM:
Remembering an incident that happened years ago [Roll Eyes] I was asked if the kids at our local school could visit the hanger as they were studying the subject of flight and aviation. I checked with my boss and the OK was given, about 40 children around the age of 11yrs turned up. I was giving the grand tour when one of the parents asked me how all this work is planned, so I said follow me [Roll Eyes] and showed them the planning office everything was going fine describing the large plan on the wall etc, well this is where things came unstuck. I heard all this loud giggling going on from behind me, turned round and if you can imagine 40 little "ET" fingers pointing to the ceiling, well I had forgotton that the planner had a "Playboy" centre fold stuck to the ceiling, [Eek!] trying to get those kids out of that room quickly was nearly impossible they were having a great time what a noise, talk about sex education. The visit to the hanger to look at boring old aircraft was quickly forgotton and the engineers I worked with were amused at the pickle I was in.

Later that day when I got home I told my wife she says dont worry, I said what happens when wee Jonny gets home and his mum asks what did you do today and he replies a man took us into a room and showed us a photo of a lady with no clothes on, [Eek!] I expected a linch mob of angry parents [Mad] at the door, well thankfully nothing happend and I heard later the kids had a great time the talking point on the bus back [Roll Eyes] well it wasen't aircraft.

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on March 22, 2008, 04:17 PM:

Similar thing happened here at Grumman here on Long Island. A friend of mine was conducting a tour for a VIP from the West Coast. He too forgot about the nudies plastered on the wall in one of the shops. The VIP didn't make a peep about it until he spied a lovely young thing lying in the buff on a chaise lounge.

He said:

"That's my pool!
"That's my daughter!!!"

(How awkward!)

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